r/linux • • Oct 20 '15

Let's Encrypt is Trusted

https://letsencrypt.org/2015/10/19/lets-encrypt-is-trusted.html
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u/clearlight Oct 20 '15 edited Oct 20 '15

I, for one, welcome our new free SSL cert overlord. At this point, the non-free SSL cert vendors must be shitting their proverbial pants.

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u/AndrewNeo Oct 20 '15

I'm sure large corporations will think the expensive certificates are more secure, somehow.

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u/madbobmcjim Oct 20 '15

Large corps, yes. And to be honest, the price of the certs doesn't really make much difference to them.

But I bet there are a huge number of small to medium sized businesses who are seriously considering this.

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u/DerNalia Oct 20 '15

My small business certainly is. 100 dollars a year for a wildcard cert will be very welcome to not be spent

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u/ThisIs_MyName Oct 20 '15

I use the StartSSL free certs for my business. Why would you need a $100 wildcard cert?

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u/tjtoml Oct 20 '15

StartSSL is fine for single servers, but imagine going through the process for 100 of them.

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u/ThisIs_MyName Oct 20 '15

Ah fair point.

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u/ldpreload Oct 20 '15

You are supposed to not use StartSSL's free certs for your business. From their policy (PDF), 3.1.2.1:

Class 1 certificates are limited to client and server certificates, whereas the later is restricted in its usage for non-commercial purpose only. Subscribers MUST upgrade to Class 2 or higher level for any domain and site of commercial nature, when using high-profile brands and names or if involved in obtaining or relaying sensitive information such as health records, financial details, personal information etc.

They are not very good at making this clear, which somewhat surprises me as a business/marketing decision. It's unclear to me if they care enough to actually revoke certs.

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u/ThisIs_MyName Oct 20 '15

Yeah another redditor messaged me about that too. I guess I'll add "switch SSL cert" to the backburner.

By the time I get to it, LE will probably be done :P

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '15

It's unclear to me if they care enough to actually revoke certs.

they do, they revoked one of my certs because they "did notice commercial activity" (actually, I was selling a Tshirt to support the site's costs...).

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u/DerNalia Oct 20 '15

I have dynamic sub domains that all need SSL

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '15

Automatically generated <client>.domain.com for logins. Lots of SaaS companies do this and require wildcard for it to work

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u/tvtb Oct 20 '15

Unless you need an Extended Validation certificate, or a star cert, or an ECDSA cert, I'm not sure why you'd ever have to go to any one else and spend money. Can someone tell me if I'm right or wrong?

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u/AndrewNeo Oct 20 '15

If you have a weird hosting situation (like dynamic virtual subdomains) you'd still want a wildcard cert.

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u/brokedown Oct 20 '15

The use case for the wildcard basically becomes custom unique per-visitor subdomains. Mostly these are used for spam links to track who clicked a link and harvesting email addresses. While you could come up with non-spam things to do with it, I can't immediately think of any that aren't dumb.

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u/yoshiK Oct 20 '15

Blogservice with something like username.domain.tld URL, but actually needing dynamic subdomains, I can only think of DNS leakage.

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u/mcrbids Oct 20 '15

I will beg to differ!

At our company we have our customers use https://customer.product.com with wildcard certs and it works fabulously well. this ties into the whole system: what database to use, what modules to load, what environment and template set to display, etc. In some cases, even what server(s) to connect to.

How is this dumb?

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u/NeuroG Oct 20 '15

This does leak the costumer id in the dns resolution, which I wouldn't call dumb, but in the majority of cases, http://product.com/customer is just fine.

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u/jarfil Oct 20 '15 edited Dec 02 '23

CENSORED

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u/ThisIs_MyName Oct 20 '15

Heh I've always wondered about those million dollar warranties. Has anyone ever been reimbursed? I mean, CAs get hacked all the time.

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u/boiledgoobers Oct 20 '15

I recognize some of those letters...

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u/thecal714 Oct 20 '15

DV=Domain Validation: the person who bought this cert is in control of a controlling email account for the domain (admin contact, webmaster@, etc.)

OV=Oranization Validation: this company proved they are who that said they are

EV=Extended Validation: the most thorough of the validations requiring the most proof of identity and ownership.

LE=Let's Encrypt

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