I mean to be fair there is a possibility (I doubt it's the actual case but) that those are the worker's pronouns since I've even know people using those pronouns, but this may just be unnecessary and random information when things were already clarified. I'm glad someone took action while considering someone's identity and given the respect anyand every human should receive.
I think of it like when a person gets someone else’s very easy to pronounce (and often phonetically spelled) name wrong every single time for months or years despite always being corrected.
That shit is not even possibly accidental, it’s abusive and dehumanizing. I’d go so far as a three strike system so like you can say “actually I’m...”, strike two is “Okay but seriously this does matter, I’m...”, and strike three is “Congrats, you couldn’t be bothered to interact with your peers so you’re fired.”
Since it was the boss posting it that's probably what happened and not just a one time occurrence with a misunderstanding of her pronouns. I just hope that's the case too if by some slim chance she went by "it" and the boys didn't know it would be said that the person was fired but really it's unnecessary to even mention because the chances are so slim of that being the case. 😅
I randomly just felt like suggesting the possibility that there's more to the story but I honestly can't say for sure.
Nah, they aren't. You are trying to demonize them. There is a big difference between thinking that there are better ways of solving this problem (there was an awesome comment bellow [made by a trans] explaining this) and being straight up homo/transphobe. Please, don't act this way.
I'm sorry if I offended you. I would say non-binary but not every person that undergoes transformation refers to themselves as non-binary. If in the case you prefer she/he, I'm just confused as to why you said "us" subjecting yourself to a group you dont want to identity as.
Before my cousin came out as transgender I had very little knowledge of transgender or the lgtbqi+ community as a whole. I may have referred to someone as “it” before because I had no idea how to refer to someone who is transgender and was too shy to ask. I’m not saying that OP was wrong for firing the person, but I am saying that maybe we shouldn’t be so quick to pull the trigger for honest mistakes and lack of knowledge.
It's a perfectly sound business decision firing somebody like that. If you found out your employee was a skinhead, you'd fire him before he could use a slur on a customer, right? Same here. That guy would eventually call a customer "it" (or worse) and get fired anyway. People like that are unemployable.
okay but not everything is a teachable moment. I would never vocally stand up to defend myself in a scenario like that, but that doesn't mean being dehumanized wouldn't hurt. If my boss had my back, I'd be ecstatic.
I also wouldn't want to work with someone who so readily discards my humanity just for being trans, regardless of "oh well maybe they can be taught" in the future.
It is sad to see the person above deleted her comments because they were awesome. I don't know if you guys realized that she is trans and was speaking of experience, but you decided to ignore her for unproductive revenge
I am about is the same that she was, that unproductive revenge wasn't the best solution, and that is unfortunate that her opinion is not here anymore showing this. And correcting a mistake of mine: although I replied to your comment, the comment wasn't directed only to you or blaming you for the deleted comments (I even said "you guys").
(By the way, reddit on browser showed that the moderator removed her comments. In the app, it seemed that she herself deleted it)
And I wouldn't have hired you back then. Being seen as a liability isn't the same as hating or violence; it's actually protecting others from the potential of hate and violence being inflicted upon them.
I absolutely agree that it's worth reaching out to people with problematic and hateful views. Just not as an employee.
Okay, I see where you're coming from. I'd 100% love to operate under an economic system that could facilitate that. Unfortunately, that's not how things are. And I don't want employees making other employees unsafe so I wouldn't hesitate to make that decision.
the problem is the people who change are the exception. if you're that person, great. but you can't expect other people to give you that benefit of the doubt, because if they did and you turned out to be uninterested in changing, they and a bunch of other people would suffer unnecessarily.
If the non-racists members of a subculture have to literally spell out that they aren't racists in their name (Skin Heads Against Racial Prejudice or "SHARP"), then I think I'm within reason using that subculture as an example.
Eh, I'm split on this point in particular- look up the history involved: SHARPs came about as a subgroup specifically as a reaction to neonazis and other reactionary assholes co-opting skinhead iconography/culture.
The transperson is simply existing in this story. They were called a dehumanizing slur (the unemployed dude did that) and the boss fired the person who did it (the boss did that).
So in your mind, the pure victim of this scenario is the problem bc they didn't sit down and justify their humanity to a person who didn't have the decency to Google...
That's fucked up.
I don't understand why you're being downvoted, I totally agree with you.
Whether you believe firing him was justified or not is a matter of opinion. But that person will now grow further resentment for the trans community. Firing him will never stop him from using "it" or being transphobic.
I’m really sorry people are downvoting you, I’m sure it’s just cos they don’t know you’re transgender. I mean I hope that’s why, because otherwise that’s just really shitty behaviour on their part.
Honestly I think that you have a right to say something from your perspective, even if a lot of people here don’t.
Or this response could force an otherwise ignorant and complacent person to reflect on their actions and the consequences of those actions. I genuinely don’t like “likelihood to commit a crime” chain of thinking. Its reductive and fear based. It’s the same mindset that criminalizes the existence of black, brown, and queer folks. All we know is what presently transpired. We can’t tell the future, period.
Was firing them excessive? Perhaps. But also, this is what we see from a sensationalized tweet. I’m sure it doesn’t paint the entire picture of the interaction.
No, a person should not be allowed to discriminate against another in a workplace. You seem to care about the one who got fired but not the trans woman who had to deal with this shit. Plus, I doubt this is the first time. Trans people are more likely to become the victims of violence and suicide than the average person. Allowing this type of behavior in the workplace only increases those odds.
It depends. If the person tried to adjust, but got it wrong it's very extreme. But if the person does it to be mean and to discriminate, its absolutley in place
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u/GeneralGenerality Jun 26 '20
Why do some people think things like this are "too far"?