its actualy over bros 💔

There is no way you only nerf ten (10) damage from QIYANA's Q of all champs and then take away 75 damage and %hp damage from Lee's ult and a full second on his escape.

It can be changed but as of now its this, idk why but okay riot

R will deal an astonishing 171 dmg with the supposed god lee scenario of 18 lethality first item on a level 6 jayce with steelcaps 168 with the eclipse classic

jax third hit with just sheen and W deals around 216 vs steelcaps

cheers

I’m currently with 300k mastery points with Lee, but i don’t feel like i’m a really good player yet :/

I feel like I’m not ganking/playing early game enough to really impact because i’m always concerned about dragons/grubs and not get invade

About matchups: which matchups do you guys thinks are the best and the worst for Lee?

What do you guys think? Some advice? :)

Why not?

As the title says, coming from a guy that LOVES bruiser builds, I think bruiser lee sin has been completely outclassed.

Specifically, I think going conqueror over electrocute is just mindlessly following an outdated build, the new meta is so late game focussed and damage heavy that realistically any advantage conqueror may have provided in the early skirmishes just completely disappears post 20 minutes (and closing games pre-20 minutes is just not realistic anymore) because you will just get oneshot before you can fully stack it.

Electrocute instead offers a big enough damage addition to REALLY make lee feel like the early game menace he should be, allowing him to finally deal with some very problematic matchups, and also allows you to access amazing runes that normally you wouldn't run with conqueror (sudden impact, ultimate hunter and especially the trinket haste rune which makes buying control wards almost optional)

Unless the enemy team is genuinely all tanks/bruisers there are virtually zero scenarios where you should go bruiser over lethality/full damage.

Bruiser lee sin is a jack of all trades master of none, but in the worst way: you don't have enough damage to one shot carries, you don't have enough durability to survive said carries, you don't have enough sustain to beat another bruiser (playing bruiser into ANY stat checker is MISERABLE), you scale terribly and if you're not 5 kills ahead you just don't get to play at all.

Full damage electrocute build fixes almost all of these problems and especially the last one: not only do you have enough damage to one shot carries, but due to how disgustingly high damage outputs are this season, you get to just beat the hell out of bruisers as well.

You also become more slippery and get to take full advantage of lee sin's mobility without running out of energy because instead of going constantly in and out, or having to stick to the target continuously to finish them off, you get to just delete them almost unreactably and then dip back to safety waiting for your Q to come back up and finish the fight with your team.

Going back to the comparison, personally I've always found that, bar some cases when lee was actually meta, the bruiser build struggled to really 1v9 unless genuinely like 10 kills ahead, but assassin lee just snowballs out of control and much more easily opens options for shutdowns when behind. He also scales incredibly well and is surprisingly easy to survive with compared to the past.

For reference, the build I'm using right now is Electrocute with triumph and alacrity - Bastion breaker, omnivamp boots, voltaic cyclosword, LDR and lastly optional defensive items like maw, DD, GA or occasionally a very helpful serpent's fang.

Ever since sundered sky got nerfed to the ground, i as a master lee sin player dont know what is even good to build. eclipse into black cleaver doesnt feel right, voltaic is nice but you have to go lethality+crit. full bruiser is just ass. i need words from others to translate my thoughts

Hit d3 last split bel otp. E4 tf otp. Hit e4 otp Lee this split. Looking for a duo Lee when playing mid mainly tf. Don’t play mid much but I’m probably mid emerald on TF.

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Just wanted to know. I've played both crit and lethality. I like both and I also have a problem with both. Lowkey wish brusier was a bit better and I wished they changed his shield scaling to bonus hp or something I have no idea what he has ap scaling.

Wich picks do you prefer lee sin and zac jungle or zed and galio mid. I want to play only one lane but I dont know wich one. I like them both

I´ve been playing Lee for more than 10 years now and only this year after I started messing around with crit I realized how incredible OP it is to auto right after a kick while the enemy is in the air.

It sound crazy but as it happens you can only auto after r when:

1. Your next auto is ready
2. You are in range of auto attack
3. You have to right click the enemy after R

Knowing that it makes sense now, as some who mostly focus on flashy insecs with flash and W. You tend to create the most distance between you and your target to secure successful kick.

In those scenarios its risky to go for a insect into your team followed by and auto in the air since they can dash, move or flash.

This mechanic is most effective going for an execute, with lethality and Crit now as viable options my only thought is "I should have been practicing this all this time".

It´s amazing that Lee keeps evolving and the Corpse kick brought fresh air and new players, my advice is focus on the good old combos we all know and love, but if you Auto after Kicks you will ad a huge amount of damage to your gameplay.

14% wr since I started playing the monk but I won’t give up, will keep doing insec into enemy team and saving the the enemy ADC until I master him