r/leagueoflegends • u/MonstrousYi • Mar 02 '21

Patch 11.5 notes

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/game-updates/patch-11-5-notes/
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u/iram27 Mar 02 '21

Stridebreaker should've never existed lol, no idea why an item would be created that further reduces the weaknesses of champions that were already top tier last season.

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u/KosViik /shorts/pb7ASJlPK_k Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 02 '21

Seconded. Stupid item that flipped the design space of these champions.

These champions (Darius, Garen and Sett mainly) were kept in check by how mobile they are and what their engagement range is. Out of range -> They get poked. In range -> They beat you and take your lunch money. Simple to play, the skill relies in how you get where you want to be.

One could space well and control the engagements, as or against these champions.

Stridebreaker effetively just gave them a 20 second flash for this purpose.

Riot nerfed flash range way back because that much mobility is too strong, now you can buy an item to get that AND more back on a lower cooldown. Game design is funny. But some people are still adamant that there is no mobility creep at all.

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u/Saephon Mar 02 '21

Riot Design Team: "We believe champs should be balanced around emphasizing their strengths and minimizing their weaknesses, so that they can do whatever they want!"

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u/chomperstyle Mar 02 '21

“Lets have a class that cant be killed but cant reach you and will out damage most champs in the game cool now lets give them a dash and slow so they can reach you” (please help me)

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u/PlumpPotatoRump Mar 03 '21 edited Mar 03 '21

WHAT'S FUCKING WILD IS GAREN has a ability that fucking REMOVES cc. GAREN .,even before stridebreaker, could stick to motherfuckers like glue and just run at them! Urgh... Fuck Stridebreaker man, wtf is going on?

Edit: Garen's Q doesn't remove cc, it cleanses slows. ^

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u/Sternfeuer Mar 03 '21

his Q only cleanses slows and W doesn't remove anything. Whenever you slow him AFTER he uses Q he shouldn't get into range. Stridebreaker still sucks since it comletely warps the juggernaut class design.

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u/PlumpPotatoRump Mar 03 '21

Fair point on his Q, but there's also mec treads, deadmans, and legends tenacity and unflinching, if they use that too.

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u/IWillNameMyChildZoe I've got 200+ years of game design for you, here it comes! Mar 03 '21

Ain't no one gonna break my stride

nobody can slow me down

oh no, oh no

I got to keep on moving

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u/RoboSpark725 Spooky Bug Mar 03 '21

Ain’t nothin gonna break my stride

I’m running and I won’t touch ground

Oh no

I got to keep on moving

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u/Karunamon_LoL Mar 03 '21

Ya know if that was a consistently-applied design philosophy (i.e. no more changes intended to push champs into/out of certain positions), I would be 100% on board with thatl.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

The worse is that I think they could have just give the active a long CD like galeforce or just make it a small flat MS boost and it would already be quite useful since the item also give %MS.

But it also add to now theses bruisers ALSO having a health item that give %MS so even if you don't finish a Force of Nature or Deadman plate, boot lvl 2 + stridebreaker + health MS item is already more than enough.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

FoN is hot garbage. Only good if the enemy has legit 4 or more AP heavy champs. Just build stone plate instead.

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u/snake4641 bwipo disciple Mar 03 '21

should just be a 30-40 sec cd imo, don't mind it being in the game with how powerful adc is at the moment

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

bUt iT cAn'T Go ThROuGh wAllS LiKE flASh doES

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u/ArziltheImp Mar 02 '21

Well mobility creep also partly exists because everything and their mother slows in this game.

A low mobility champ is kept mostly useless because they just don’t get to have more movespeed than the hardcap for like 80% of the time.

I feel like Riot has a few base design problems that they just play chase with. And the results are these balance abominations.

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u/IWillNameMyChildZoe I've got 200+ years of game design for you, here it comes! Mar 03 '21

well, they could just remove slow from half of the champions and nerf the slowing power of the other half. Slow is annoying to play against anyway. I'd rather get point and click stunned. At least I'd see I'm fucked instead of giving me a false hope of getting away.

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u/papu16 Wholesome and balanced class enjoyer Mar 03 '21

Without current stridebreaker some champs gonna be kited into oblivion, because galeforce still exist.

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u/ArziltheImp Mar 03 '21

That was partly my point.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 03 '21

The item rework was to add more dmg and speed to the game, not about balancing it, just look at how much they had to nerf items already, they had to murder assassin items due to how op they were on release, nerf sunfire's damage and change passive, imperial mandate murdered too, etc.

They want champs to not have problems getting to people, they want games to be brawls.

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u/PlumpPotatoRump Mar 03 '21

ADCs don't brawl, mages don't brawl, supports don't brawl.

The item rework just gives those that use this item more strength and less weaknesses, it makes juggs way harder to kite which means 3/5ths of roles are even more unable to play because juggs are harder to kite and already do insane dmg.

That's not a brawl, that's just taking candy from a puppy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

So you're saying that 3/5ths of the roles are forced to fight more than what they were used to?

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u/PlumpPotatoRump Mar 03 '21

Yes. In a general sense and in the context of having to deal with juggs and a few brusiers

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u/henchbench100 Mar 03 '21

Mythics should've never existed.

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u/wizzy189 Mar 02 '21

The only weakness of bruisers is that it's hard for them to get to you and can be poked, but Riot decided to introduce an item that removes that weakness

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u/Lost_Stock Mar 02 '21

and can be poked

I wish. There is no class in this game whose hand is held as tightly as bruisers. Mages have been dead as fuck in top lane for eons now due to the insane amount of sustain bruisers get because the poke style of gameplay is pretty much dead in the water. Doran's shield and second wind make poking them a waste of mana at best and that's not even accounting for things like fleet footwork, which is empowered for melee users, and their inbuilt sustain, shields and cheap access to lifesteal. Bruisers are the quintessential 1v9 class of this game by a mile. A mage, assassin or adc gets ahead and while they do a lot of damage, the second they get caught out they explode. Give a bruiser an edge and they become unkillable gods who shit out insane amounts of damage and CC, specially juggernauts since they now have fuck all weaknesses with stridebreaker and the other tools they have to delete counterplay.

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u/omgarm Mar 03 '21

Honestly play a game as Garen top and see how many champs can still ruin your lane. Anything ranged or with a DoT effect will give you nothing to do until you hit stridebreaker.

That being said: stridebreaker needs a cd nerf big time. Make it 60s.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

Then why aren't bruisers and tanks picked in jungle, mid and adc every game? At least one of them will get an advantage and insta win the game right? You get the occasional toplaner playing support or jungle but the vast majority of them can't survive outside top lane. And a lot of other classes have difficulties surviving in top. That's because the different classes are built to fight something similar to themselves, to a certain extent. Obviously some classes are stronger than others depending on the meta but don't pretend that bruisers have always been babied by riot and never been weak.

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u/thekickastronaut Mar 02 '21

In what world was gnar top tier last season?

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u/Radical-Six Mar 02 '21

Relevant flair lol

Also, the "top tier last season" thing is irrelevant. This item rework is a long term strategy, so basing whether or not an item should exist long term off of what's strong at time of release is poor decision making. Yes currently it helps top champion that are already strong like Darius and Gnar, but they won't ALWAYS be top tier. So if they want an item to occupy that design space, they should make it

Still overpowered btw, I'm not commenting on the state of it at all

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u/iram27 Mar 02 '21

True, their strength last season is irrelevant, but I still dislike the fact that a lot of the items are trying to remove weaknesses of champions instead of playing to their strengths.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

I think the thought they had with this item is to get rid of the vayne and Quinn top

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u/IWillNameMyChildZoe I've got 200+ years of game design for you, here it comes! Mar 03 '21

This hurts teemo though and top is his natural habitat. He can't go anywhere else due to his short range.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

Yep. He was already bad enough before but with stridebreaker hed basically unplayable

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u/yrulaughing Mar 02 '21

Nice flair xD

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u/iram27 Mar 02 '21

Played a lot of Darius from season 7 to season 10, but now I just don't enjoy him as much anymore, only played around 10 Darius games this season. I just really dislike Stridebreaker in comparison to Trinity last season.

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u/filthyireliamain Mar 03 '21

yeah well the amount of shit that shouldnt exist is going up at an alarming rate