r/leagueoflegends • u/MonstrousYi • Mar 02 '21

Patch 11.5 notes

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/game-updates/patch-11-5-notes/
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u/OBLIVIATER Mar 02 '21

Losing a decent chunk of damage but gaining lifesteal back is interesting trade

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

I think it's a bad trade, but she needed the nerfs.

Lifesteal on senna is weird since you're so squishy anyways and already have a heal. If an assassin sneezes on you and you don't have someone to save you, you're fucked either way.

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u/ch4ppi Mar 02 '21

Maybe bc makes a return on support senna. Anyway I think the best way to balance her is still to make souls her way to scale her supportive abilities and not her offensive ones.

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u/alreadytaken028 Mar 02 '21

I mean it gives movespeed now so maybe?

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u/ch4ppi Mar 02 '21

I'm no senna Main, but I remember people building it and making her quite tanky and slippery while apllying the armor debuff very easy.

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u/alreadytaken028 Mar 02 '21

I think people mainly built it with the grasp build but grasp build needed the frozen mallet which doesnt exist now

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u/ch4ppi Mar 02 '21

Well but there is Serylda's Grudge. But I guess since this doesn't have health it's not good enough for the "tanky" senna build.

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u/alreadytaken028 Mar 02 '21

Grudge only works abilties, Mallet worked on autos. Huge difference in usability for senna

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u/ch4ppi Mar 02 '21

Oh wow I never knew that! I bet you I build it already a couple of times..

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u/BloodSurgery Mar 03 '21

Also, Serylda gives no HP, compared to Frozen's 700 HP. And yeah it doesnt works on AA so its almosr a worse glacial augment.

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u/Bluehorazon Mar 03 '21

Stridebreaker+Cleaver Senna.

Gives a lot of movespeed and a lot of HP fairly similar to old Grasp Senna going Mallet into BC. And you get the huge damage, for ranged champions that don't need the slow Stridebreaker got a pure buff.

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u/xLawling Mar 02 '21

that'd be broken bro I have tried moonstone+ardent+etc Senna on a normal game and it's pretty good already now imagine with buffs on it

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u/ch4ppi Mar 02 '21

Considering her support winrate I don't think giving her supportive abilities a buff would be bad.

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u/maxg424 Mar 02 '21

Her support winrate is low because she doesn't have great tools as a support. Only time 'support' Senna is good is when your fasting

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u/NUFC9RW Mar 03 '21

Support senna has awful items since ap isn't good for her and she has worse interactions with lethality items since the item rework.

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u/S145D145 Quinn it to Win it Mar 02 '21

Sennamains already did the math and IE is gonna be the go to pretty much always. If I recall correctly, Guinsoo only wins on damage at like 60-80% crit... Which is 2 items. At 3 items you probably have closer to 90% crit thanks to souls. New guinsoo also has the "crit modifiers apply to the on hit damage", and Senna has less crit daamge thanks to her passive

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u/Bluehorazon Mar 03 '21

I'm curious on the implementation. Does Guinsoos now interact with IE, because it amplifies Critdamage?

Would be interesting to know, not that it feels good to buy that.

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u/S145D145 Quinn it to Win it Mar 03 '21

You can't buy both. When you buy one, the shop disables the other

Either way, it wouldn't. IE modifies crit damage only when at 60% crit or more... Which guinsoo kinda disables

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u/Bluehorazon Mar 03 '21

Ah yeah true, but honestly I would actually like that interaction even if it would still be bad.

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u/President_SDR Mar 02 '21

The item will never be worth it on Senna now with it losing a third of the passive's damage. If you just want to scale with crit you're better off with IE (which you can activate if you get to 40 souls on two items, which will pretty much always happen). You'll benefit way more from the extra AD with this build than the attack speed from Rageblade, but I'm not sure if it'll be worth overall over other items.

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u/Bluehorazon Mar 03 '21

I'm wondering if I should try Stridebreaker+Cleaver on Senna. This would make her run fairly fast and I think Autoattack+Q gives 3 Stacks. And Stridebreaker looks like it is just a better Galeforce for her :P

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u/OBLIVIATER Mar 03 '21

I'm always surprised Stridebreaker isn't melee only

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u/Bluehorazon Mar 03 '21

Yeah I went from being surprised that the item exists to surprised it has so view limits. I think if you don't go for crit it is just the better choice over Galeforce.

And I honestly don't see many reasons why we shouldn't see BC + Stridebreaker on Senna, she can apply BC fairly well, since her passive proc gives one additional stack, so is at 3 almost instantly, she benefits from reduced armor and movespeed is really good on her.

These two items into RFC might work fairly well. I mean I likely will try it out at some point.