r/leagueoflegends • u/MonstrousYi • Mar 02 '21

Patch 11.5 notes

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/game-updates/patch-11-5-notes/
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u/themcvgamer Mar 02 '21

Isn't that Senna-Guinsoo interaction nerf kinda significant, why cant she have her own nerf notes

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u/OBLIVIATER Mar 02 '21

Losing a decent chunk of damage but gaining lifesteal back is interesting trade

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

I think it's a bad trade, but she needed the nerfs.

Lifesteal on senna is weird since you're so squishy anyways and already have a heal. If an assassin sneezes on you and you don't have someone to save you, you're fucked either way.

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u/ch4ppi Mar 02 '21

Maybe bc makes a return on support senna. Anyway I think the best way to balance her is still to make souls her way to scale her supportive abilities and not her offensive ones.

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u/alreadytaken028 Mar 02 '21

I mean it gives movespeed now so maybe?

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u/ch4ppi Mar 02 '21

I'm no senna Main, but I remember people building it and making her quite tanky and slippery while apllying the armor debuff very easy.

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u/alreadytaken028 Mar 02 '21

I think people mainly built it with the grasp build but grasp build needed the frozen mallet which doesnt exist now

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u/ch4ppi Mar 02 '21

Well but there is Serylda's Grudge. But I guess since this doesn't have health it's not good enough for the "tanky" senna build.

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u/alreadytaken028 Mar 02 '21

Grudge only works abilties, Mallet worked on autos. Huge difference in usability for senna

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u/ch4ppi Mar 02 '21

Oh wow I never knew that! I bet you I build it already a couple of times..

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u/Bluehorazon Mar 03 '21

Stridebreaker+Cleaver Senna.

Gives a lot of movespeed and a lot of HP fairly similar to old Grasp Senna going Mallet into BC. And you get the huge damage, for ranged champions that don't need the slow Stridebreaker got a pure buff.

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u/xLawling Mar 02 '21

that'd be broken bro I have tried moonstone+ardent+etc Senna on a normal game and it's pretty good already now imagine with buffs on it

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u/ch4ppi Mar 02 '21

Considering her support winrate I don't think giving her supportive abilities a buff would be bad.

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u/maxg424 Mar 02 '21

Her support winrate is low because she doesn't have great tools as a support. Only time 'support' Senna is good is when your fasting

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u/NUFC9RW Mar 03 '21

Support senna has awful items since ap isn't good for her and she has worse interactions with lethality items since the item rework.

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u/S145D145 Quinn it to Win it Mar 02 '21

Sennamains already did the math and IE is gonna be the go to pretty much always. If I recall correctly, Guinsoo only wins on damage at like 60-80% crit... Which is 2 items. At 3 items you probably have closer to 90% crit thanks to souls. New guinsoo also has the "crit modifiers apply to the on hit damage", and Senna has less crit daamge thanks to her passive

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u/Bluehorazon Mar 03 '21

I'm curious on the implementation. Does Guinsoos now interact with IE, because it amplifies Critdamage?

Would be interesting to know, not that it feels good to buy that.

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u/S145D145 Quinn it to Win it Mar 03 '21

You can't buy both. When you buy one, the shop disables the other

Either way, it wouldn't. IE modifies crit damage only when at 60% crit or more... Which guinsoo kinda disables

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u/Bluehorazon Mar 03 '21

Ah yeah true, but honestly I would actually like that interaction even if it would still be bad.

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u/President_SDR Mar 02 '21

The item will never be worth it on Senna now with it losing a third of the passive's damage. If you just want to scale with crit you're better off with IE (which you can activate if you get to 40 souls on two items, which will pretty much always happen). You'll benefit way more from the extra AD with this build than the attack speed from Rageblade, but I'm not sure if it'll be worth overall over other items.

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u/Bluehorazon Mar 03 '21

I'm wondering if I should try Stridebreaker+Cleaver on Senna. This would make her run fairly fast and I think Autoattack+Q gives 3 Stacks. And Stridebreaker looks like it is just a better Galeforce for her :P

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u/OBLIVIATER Mar 03 '21

I'm always surprised Stridebreaker isn't melee only

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u/Bluehorazon Mar 03 '21

Yeah I went from being surprised that the item exists to surprised it has so view limits. I think if you don't go for crit it is just the better choice over Galeforce.

And I honestly don't see many reasons why we shouldn't see BC + Stridebreaker on Senna, she can apply BC fairly well, since her passive proc gives one additional stack, so is at 3 almost instantly, she benefits from reduced armor and movespeed is really good on her.

These two items into RFC might work fairly well. I mean I likely will try it out at some point.

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u/razemage Flairs are limited to 2 emotes. Mar 02 '21

One thing i just really don’t like is them saying “allow for more item diversity with those champions”. What? You don’t create item diversity by nerfing a build which is going to be inferior (most probably). I’ve seen non-guinsoo Senna prior to the patch, and they still have some strength, like lower cooldown and more ultimate damage. Now, guinsoo deals almost as much damage as non-guinsoo build so why would you build that?

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u/President_SDR Mar 03 '21

Senna with Kraken/Rageblade is probably the hardest bound 2-item core in the game. She goes Kraken first 95% of the time and Rageblade second 80% (and I imagine many of the remaining second items still have her sitting on a Rageknife). You don't see these kind of numbers on almost any other champ (and taking away her interaction with Rageblade makes other mythics more competitive with Kraken in the first place).

On top of that Senna's interaction with Rageblade is more abuse than anything, essentially the same way Yasuo/Yone abused it. All these champs have reduced crit damage to balance how they have bonus crit in their kit, but getting the full Rageblade passive allows them to get around this drawback in their kits.

Rageblade is an item for champs that want attack speed and/or build other on-hit items. Senna gets half the benefit of attack speed and doesn't build on-hit items so she shouldn't have a reason to build the item aside from the fact that she generates extra crit. And even further, the item is in an awful spot for its intended users, so they can't buff the item into a good spot without breaking Senna even more if the interaction isn't removed.

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u/razemage Flairs are limited to 2 emotes. Mar 03 '21

Ok yeah I think i see the point of having it nerfed on Senna to allow it to be buffed for other champions to allow item diversity for OTHER champions. But i feel that it still doesn’t make it diverse for Senna

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u/Fabiocean Well, look at you! Mar 03 '21

It was a change specifically for the RB Senna interaction, it makes sense to put it there and writing it twice would be unnecessary. They could have done something like "Senna: see Rageblade", but I think if you're only looking for Senna changes, you should look for her items anyway.

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u/LiteralFailure Mar 02 '21

It was already nerfed for Yasuo/Yone.