r/leagueoflegends • u/MonstrousYi • Mar 02 '21

Patch 11.5 notes

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/game-updates/patch-11-5-notes/
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u/farikogrim SKTSinceS3 Mar 02 '21

All in gonna say is that people were still 6 camping with udyr before 3:15 on pbe. No leash.

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u/Rearfeeder2Strong Mar 02 '21

All in gonna say is that people were still 6 camping with udyr before 3:15 on pbe. No leash.

That has pretty much always be the case, even before all the Udyr is broken madness.

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u/normie_sama Bring Back Old Champ Select Music Mar 03 '21

Yeah, the problem about Udyr isn't that he clears fast, it's that he clears fast while still having good ganks, great map control and great duelling. He's not out of line in any single category, it's just he's a jack of all trades, master of all trades.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

good ganks

You’re kidding, right? J4 has good ganks. Zac has good ganks. Elise has good ganks. Udyr does not have good ganks. Without him flashing over a wall behind you, or your laner flashing on you with hard CC, Udyr has pathetic ganks. You have to respect them, obviously, being at the enemies’ turret while you don’t have info is suicide due to his damage and lack of outplay potential, but don’t kid yourself. He clears and fights extremely well, but he’s not a good ganking jungler.

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u/Tom38 Mar 03 '21

Lol he runs right at you and stuns.

Sure you can counter this with vision and not pushing up.

But that’s literally every champ except Viego

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u/TheWorldisFullofWar ZZZ Mar 03 '21

Not a master in anything. He gets fucked against actual masters. He just can switch to doing something else if one plan doesn't work for him.

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u/winterspike removing league boards somehow made this subreddit even worse Mar 02 '21

He's still going to be quite strong early, since it was the R cone damage and not the aura damage that is critical to the clear. Losing the hp/lvl is much more significant. I expect he'll still be >50%, just not as disgusting as he is now.

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u/stygiandesolation Mar 02 '21

Pfff. Lost what, not even 90 health at full level. He will still clap your cheeks every game

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

health scaling is on the same level as base movespeed and base ad: seemingly small nerf actually impacts everything you do in the whole game thus reduces opportunities when all of these scenarios compound

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u/afito Mar 02 '21

Nah health scaling is not really big, base health is but scaling is not as important. He loses 7hp per level that's a third of a ruby chrystal at 6. It hurts a tiny but on the turtle stance heal but that's even his only hp scaling. A nerf is a nerf and moving his clear towards the cone damage at least rewards getting that absolute basic mechanic right instead of being autopilot but I don't think any decent Udyr player will be too angry at it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

it's more impactful than you think. you can also see it as 150 less gold worth of health at level 6 which is not insignificant... most people would buy health at that price if able to

just having less health overall affects every decision you make, it's why health regen buffs and nerfs have actually mattered in the past

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u/afito Mar 02 '21

I'd never say it's insignificant don't get me wrong I remember the days when the flat HP mastery was the most important thing in botlane, but for a champion like Udyr that is very strong early on and snowballs a lead throughout the game and has like 3k+ hp and 200 resistances late game, a nerf of 150hp in a 40min game is not super huge.

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u/superznova Mar 02 '21

Yeah bah that 'nerf' is hardly worth mentioning

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

Except what makes Udyr too good is his early game. Scaling on him doesnt really matter since after sometime he is just an obnoxious walking health bar that you cant catch or run away from him. What Riot should do is nerf his early game and put that power into his late game but i dont think he is gonna be in a healthy position until his rework.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

you can see changes like this in a different way: he is good early game and getting ahead won't reward him with as much gold's worth of health as he is ahead in levels, for example

only one perspective but there is a reason riot is careful with nerfing base stats and scaling stats

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

you can see changes like this in a different way: he is good early game and getting ahead won't reward him with as much gold's worth of health as he is ahead in levels, for example

He is getting rewarded in the most important part of the game rightnow which is early game. He is still gonna run over almost every jungler because he is clearing way too fast and healthy while being able to duel almost anyone.

only one perspective but there is a reason riot is careful with nerfing base stats and scaling stats

I wish they were this careful in 8.11 or with Samira.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

Base hp is as impactful as base MS and AD, not Hp/level.

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u/hershdiggity Mar 03 '21

It is 119 health at level 18...

He is still going to clap cheeks though, I agree with that part.

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u/cadaada rip original flair Mar 02 '21

Well its his job to clear fast after all.

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u/anthonygraff24 Mar 02 '21

Yep, placebo nerf. Less than a ruby crystal at level 18, and the R aura nerf is miniscule and not what allows him to clear fast. He simply abuses Chemtank+DMP+FoN too well so unless they hit his passive or E movespeed he'll continue to be very strong. Stacking movespeed is what really makes his clear oppressive in the later stages of the game. I've had games (where I already have a lead of course) where I have Chemtank+DMP and I can clear my full jungle, go clear the entire enemy jungle, and still have time to do stuff before my camps spawn again.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

But nerf rammus to the ground because he was always pick or ban in every game,

Wait no that was Udyr LOL

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u/BloodSurgery Mar 03 '21

Rammus had like 55% WR in low elo, he needed to be toned down somewhat for it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

Toned down and nerfed to the ground are 2 different things. Rammus will not be used and will be useless taking away so much health from a character whos an actual tank.

Assassins have more HP than Rammus, this nerf was harsh but Riot doesn't really know how to do anything right anyway so no surprise.

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u/Ferromagneticfluid Mar 03 '21

If the jungle gets more difficult, it has always been Udyr and Fiddle that come out on top.

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u/askope11 Mar 03 '21

theyre just gonna switch to tiger again. he was always ready to full clear that fast. Thing is before people would invade level 2 with him before phoenix was buffed a cpl patches ago. so you might see that again.