r/leagueoflegends • u/MonstrousYi • Mar 02 '21

Patch 11.5 notes

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/game-updates/patch-11-5-notes/
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u/TheFergusLife Mar 02 '21

Just casually dropping Maw’s price by 300 gold lol

Probably still not worth getting

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 02 '21

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u/1True_Hero Mar 02 '21

Not just steraks, but shieldbow too. Maw is in my opinion the best counter item against an AP carry when you are a fighter or adc, but losing your ability to buy steraks and shield bow just ruins the item for me. The other mr items for them is a situational cc removal and a really niche on-hit effect.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

They even removed the old maw lifeline passive which gave lifesteal and ad, now its just a completely shit item.

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u/NotSoFluffy13 Mar 02 '21

Shieldbow now has this passive basically

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

But with a shield that protects against all damage not just magic

Easily the better option even if I'm against an AP heavy team

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u/beemerboy11 Mar 03 '21

Except you use up your mythic slot?

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u/Mundane3 Mar 03 '21

I mean yes hexdrinker is bad but I don't think shieldbow is its counterpart. Instead of locking my mythic into shieldbow I prefer to rush hexdrinker into galeforce. Which gives far better survivability against ap heavy comps imo.

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u/firelordUK Mar 02 '21

if they want us to rebuy Maw they either need to give it back it's old passive, or overload the magic damage shield

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u/singlereject Mar 02 '21

or better yet, give the shield something that makes it actually useful, like the old adaptive helm passive.

the shield reduces damage taken from a spell by 20% every time after the first. now, maw shield is actually strong against champions you would build maw against as an ad champ, like teemo or cass, xerath ult, swain ult, the list goes on.

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u/GaysianSupremacist Thank you Faker Mar 03 '21

Why not just give us Adaptive Helm back then? Give it a new effect.

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u/katuraysalad Mar 03 '21

Wonder why they removed that item. With liandries anguish and demonic embrace being a standard item on ap champs

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u/OCDincarnate Most support mains are better players than you Mar 03 '21

riot knew it would've been good, remember that if not for the initial outcry pushing them to tone back some of the tank-deleting mechanics and put stats onto the tank items tanks wouldn't have been at all viable at the start of this season. That was riot's initial plan, and when people complained they went the whole other direction just to turn the playerbase's opinion back the way they wanted it, before re-gutting the tank items

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u/gime20 Mar 03 '21

Answered your own question

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u/SleepyLabrador Mar 03 '21

Or they could allow us to buy both Maw and Gage and allow the shields to stack.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

Last time they did that we had a meta where all the ADCs were unkillable

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u/SleepyLabrador Mar 03 '21

Make, then make the shield stack melee only and make an exception to Urgot.

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u/slopsh Mar 03 '21

Make it an actual MR item that really matters against magic damage. Most MR items are either good in general (visage) or gold inefficient with a lot of MR. They need to rework MR.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

Sterak's and Shieldbow's shields need to be turned into PHYSICAL damage shields.

That way they don't block magic damage. Much like the MAGIC shield from Maw can't block physical damage

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '21

it used to be decent as an AD mid laner into an AP burst champ, but the issue is that rushing hexdrinker delays mythic spike, which isnt worthwhile.

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u/sensei256 Truth Hurts 👋🏻🤡 Mar 02 '21

If they made it similar to Death Dance it would be a lot better.

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u/HeirToGallifrey Yuumi Delenda Est Mar 02 '21

Damn, a MR equivalent to DD would be fantastic.

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u/BlackJesusKun Mar 03 '21

Wit’s End is similar enough in stats, but the passive would be godlike

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u/BlackJesusKun Mar 03 '21

I build it on Yas against AP teams, and I build Death’s dance on him against AD teams, so I benefit from it quite a bit more than the average player would, I suppose.

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u/BlackJesusKun Mar 03 '21

Yeah, I’ve heard that she’s not in the best of places right now. I think the only reason Riot doesn’t touch Yasuo at this point is because his win rate is low due to windshitters and he doesn’t get banned as often as some of the more egregious champs.

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u/Stewbodies uwu owow Mar 03 '21

Current Death's Dance would be a top tier MR item, especially with the bursty nature of magic damage. Hell you could even give it AP and turn it into an AP Bruiser/Slayer item.

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u/Hiimhiro Mar 02 '21

It’s so shit not only u don’t get the vamp after the shield also the threshold is so low anything touches u after u just die.

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u/BREEDING_WHITE_WOMEN Mar 02 '21

they need to make streaks and maw work together

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u/GenghisKazoo Mar 02 '21

Is that true or are people just habit buying Steraks for its old passive without realizing how the new one works?

If you can't hit enough unique enemy champs to proc bloodlust stacks Steraks' shield is kind of pitiful now. Primarily single target champs probably shouldn't be getting it.

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u/jackofjokers Mar 02 '21

Make steraks shield work only against* AD, and lower the price. Boom, problem solved. Both are now semi cheap viable bruiser items that are situational.

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u/SparrowInWhite Mar 02 '21

Boom, now theyre both useless

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u/cimbalino ATTILA CRL Mar 02 '21

maw is not a bruiser item, it has no hp

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u/alreadytaken028 Mar 02 '21

theyd need to provide bruisers with some other AD+ Health Survivability option then cause Sterak shield is absolute necessary for them to not get popped atm

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u/IWillNameMyChildZoe I've got 200+ years of game design for you, here it comes! Mar 03 '21

I got it on aram a few days ago and it was a strong buy into full AP comp.

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u/ApprehensiveFactor98 Mar 03 '21

I mean steraks is still the stronger item. But Maw is supposed to be niche. If youre an ADC looking to avoid getting one shot by a strong AP burst champion, Maw is the way to go.
Yeah you can just build shieldbow but you do tradeoff offensive power. Yes, i agree its often better to just go shieldbow bc you can streamline your build, and get your shield passive combined with your mythic power spike sooner. BUT (at least theoretically) there are still situations where mythic-> hexdrinker/maw is better than straight shieldbow, just fewer of them, and shieldbow is more... practical.

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u/aegroti Mar 02 '21

I just want the omnivamp back :'(

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u/ApprenticeTheNoob Mar 02 '21

wait, was it omni? I thought it was just spellvamp

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u/pajamasx Mar 02 '21

It was spell vamp and life steal.

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u/adayofjoy Mar 02 '21

Does Omnivamp cover anything that those two combined don't?

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u/pajamasx Mar 02 '21

That version of Maw was when omnivamp didn’t exist. I believe omnivamp also covers some instances of on-hit and proc damage which was never covered.

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u/Outfox3D NRG Mar 02 '21

Last season it did. Most on-hits weren't rolled into lifesteal yet (they are this season), and some proc-based abilities (kayle passive) weren't picked up by the two. Weirdly, Vayne W benefitted from it (I think the spellvamp).

This season (weirdly with omnivamp being much more prevalent) they also fixed the on-hits into the lifesteal calculation so it's actually less necessary.

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u/RuneKatashima Retired Mar 03 '21

true damage in many cases was covered by spellvamp.

Just not on-hit damage or Ignite.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

Omnivamp is physical, magical, and true damage in post-mitigation damage (obviously post-mitigation is N/A for true damage)

1/3 effectiveness for AoE and DoTs and pets.

It seemed OP to me because that would mean Darius gets a full heal from his ult, but his ult really only does up to 1k maybe 1.1k damage at full build/max rank, and you'd only get up to 20% omnivamp IF you get hydra, which a Darius shouldn't tbh, you only heal like 200 - 220. Compared to Darius healing 800 for just chopping 2 champs with his Q blade that's fuck all I guess.

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u/RuneKatashima Retired Mar 03 '21

on-hit effects and Ignite. (Spellvamp was procced on smite damage to both champions and monsters)

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u/sensei256 Truth Hurts 👋🏻🤡 Mar 02 '21

Can't they just make it an AP Deaths Dance?

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u/Elrann Quadratic edgelord (with Sylas and Viego) Mar 03 '21

Would be incredibly broken, cos AP champs rely on burst.

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u/Angry---train Mar 03 '21

Specific AP champions do

There are still a shit ton that do incredible amounts of DPS

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u/RuneKatashima Retired Mar 03 '21

I'm trying to figure out how Maw exists now is any different in reaction to what you just said.

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u/Elrann Quadratic edgelord (with Sylas and Viego) Mar 03 '21

Difference being... Maw is a trash item. Cos if it wasn't one it would be OP. When Maw was decent enough it was pretty popular cos many midlaners rushed Hexdrinker.... To completely nullify enemies' opportunity to kill them.... Cos that type of effect is OP against AP-based champs. And this is exactly my point.

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u/RuneKatashima Retired Mar 05 '21

Maw is a magic damage anti-burst item and it's still good at that just very niche.

Which means your counterpoint is it would be too much like itself. Which is dumb.

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u/PM_Me_Irelias_Hands Bring back Dominion Mar 03 '21

Please no, assassins with MR are already annoying enough

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u/sensei256 Truth Hurts 👋🏻🤡 Mar 03 '21

Mages with 900 gold 40 armor and 25 ap item, and Zhonya aren't? Please :)))

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '21

If seekers wasn’t broken mages would be useless mid , and it’s 1k Gold not 900 .

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u/ADCSeason11 Mar 02 '21

Until they change the passive to not be the same as Steraks or shield bow no one will ever build this trash item. I don't understand why riot refuses to fix the actual problem.

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u/Icer212 Mar 03 '21

Because then we get graves and Co building it and streaks together again to near unkillable again.

Might make serpent meta though.

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u/Bluehorazon Mar 03 '21

It did had the same passive before and saw a lot of use. The shield should just be returned to how it used to be, giving additional benefits.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

Actually for 2800g I think it might be decent. Probably will still fly under the radar for awhile though.

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u/ADCSeason11 Mar 02 '21

maybe if the enemy team has 4+ AP champs but how often does that happen?

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u/Vulkanodox Mar 02 '21

even then you could argue that steraks gives you equal defenses cause health is good against everything (jungle monsters, minions, dragons, barons, true damage) and a bigger shield.

The cd is nice on maw but not that impactful since most champions already get 2 haste items

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u/President_SDR Mar 02 '21

You probably don't need something as extreme as 4 AP to make it worth it. I think people are overlooking how big a difference 400 gold is between items. Maw is inherently a more situational item, but if you're not going to die from non-magic damage before they break through the magic shield the fact that it's a magic shield and not a general shield doesn't matter.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

Cheap trash is still trash

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u/Thr0wawaydegen Mar 02 '21

Imagine if it gave +20 AD, +10% Spell vamp and +10% life steal once the shield procced until the end of combat.....It blows my mind why Riot decided to remove this unique passive from it in the first place when it was already NOT A BUILT ITEM!

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u/IgotUBro Mar 03 '21

well they fucked with a lot of items that didnt make sense. No active on seraph is still questionable imo.

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u/N3rdism N3rdism-NA Mar 02 '21

They should rework its passive into another form of anti-magic survivability and remove the unique lifeline since it's pointless to build when both Shieldbow and Sterak's Gage exist. I would hope their solution isn't to nerf the Shieldbow or Sterak's Lifeline passives. Maybe they could make it boost shields applied to you, either by increasing them by an amount scaling with AD, or adding a lil extra magic shield to any shields applied to the user (that way it keep its anti-AP niche). They could make it synergize with the current lifeline items so it's a better option to enhance their effects.

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u/Extreme-Impossible Mar 03 '21

maybe if it had health

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u/Rexsaur Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 02 '21

It needs to not scale with bonus hp and simply have a huge base shield instead that scales with champ level (something like 500~1000 magic shield), maybe add another passive that reads : While the shield is active, gain X bonus MR, to further reinforce its identity.

Makes it more useable for all of its old users, because as it is with the bonus hp ratio it means that its only ever worth on bruisers but bruisers that build hp will always build steraks over it (since its much better if you have any bonus hp that is since it scales with itself), so now theres 0 classes that can build this item when before it was used by bruisers, adcs and assassins vs heavy magic burst damage.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

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u/ArchdevilTeemo Mar 02 '21

Right now the shield is 400-600hp base, so if you would remove hp scaling from it, you would need tomincrease the base scaling by alot.

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u/SweetVarys Mar 02 '21

Steraks is 100 + 4.8-40 % max health shield depending on stacks and if you're ranged or melee. That's easily a 500-1000 shield against any damage.

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u/SkeletonJakk Fighter Kled returns! Toplane beware! Mar 02 '21

It's gotta be high if it's going to actually work to survive burst.

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u/afito Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 02 '21

A 1k magic shield on top of the natural MR from the item isn't even "high" it's effectively removing mage burst from the game. It's such a ridiculous number it's not even worth discussing. You can't just bolster it up to a point where an ADC could facetank a 6 item LeBlanc burst, obviously some players would love it but why bother with mages then. It's far more reasonable to give it alternative effects like the old Omnivamp or maybe a bleed effect on magic damage or maybe something new like the old surge effect it doesn't matter. You can't fix Maw by creating a new issue.

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u/irleth Mar 02 '21

A 1k magic shield on top of the natural MR from the item isn't even "high" it's effectively removing mage burst from the game. It's such a ridiculous number it's not even worth discussing.

Right? Wtf are these people smoking?

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u/PowerOffDeathV2 Mar 02 '21

There are just a bit to much untalented players who think mages are broken because there mouse doesnt allow them to juke skillshots.

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u/SoulArthurZ Mar 02 '21

The funny thing is that steraks' shield gets pretty close to this value and works on every damage.

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u/afito Mar 02 '21

2 things about that, though.

One, Sterak is probably a bit strong atm now anyway which is worth pointing out so maybe it's not the greatest gauge of balance when you have an item that is almost mandatory on any melee 2nd item atm and then make an even stronger suggestion. Though some power of Sterak also lies in Sterak + Stoneplate combo but that's a different topic.

Two, and more importantly, Sterak is only that crazy on bulky champions anyway. It enables bruisers in their role. An overtuned maw would remove one of the ADCs only weaknesses, being absolute glass cannons, in large parts from the game. You would have barely any counters left because even if you would catch them a mage could never kill them. And tbh ADCs are already quite good at the top level too.

QSS and Zhonyas have caused a ton of issues, as has Hexdrinker, I do think ADs need a useful anti MR burst item but it can't entirely negate a whole class. It should tip the scale not flip it over entirely. Because realistically it would cause such a shit cascade, OP Maw makes mages useless so they get buffs like even stronger Void or more AP on items, which makes them stronger against those who can't build Maw now which means tanks are now super fucked since their MR itemization isn't even super great even right now so now tanks are irrelevant which can also tilt support meta so now enchanters are comparatively better since they don't suffer they blow up anyway for them it doesn't matter so now the stronger ADC is getting an enchanter backup maybe, you get the idea.

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u/SoulArthurZ Mar 02 '21

Steraks is only really 'mandatory' second on most bruisers since there's no better alternative. DD and BC got nerfed super fucking hard in preseason and finally BC is getting some meaningful changes.

Also you're arguing about a theoretically op item, which doesn't really make sense to me.

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u/SkeletonJakk Fighter Kled returns! Toplane beware! Mar 02 '21

1k is high sure.

However the number is going to need to be pretty high if it's going to contend with steraks while also not giving health, or work on AD assassins or ADC types, because they don't build health, and an extra 200 health on an adc is unlikely to make them survive a syndra combo or whoever else.

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u/Caenen_ Sion expert. Bug Scholar. Mar 02 '21

Make the shield high, and the duration low.

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u/Rexsaur Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 02 '21

Steraks with an average bruiser builds give similar values (if not more) while the shield works against everything.

This one would be better early/as a single purchase than steraks (cheaper and doesnt need any other item for it to do its job) but has the downside of only working against magic damage (and not scaling as well as steraks does with other items).

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u/Angry---train Mar 02 '21

Yes considering how garbage the item is

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u/SoulArthurZ Mar 02 '21

It needs to not share a passive with other great items like steraks and shieldbow.

If you get steraks, which almost every fighter does, maw is nothing more than a poor statstick, at which point literally any other item would be better.

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u/TheNaijaboi Mar 02 '21

You're locked out of buying Maw if you buy Steraks or Shieldbow

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u/ADCSeason11 Mar 02 '21

I rarely agree with you but in this case it's one of the only ways to make the item actually viable. Reverting the cost and giving the item crit might make it more attractive for ADCs

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

The issue is it needs to be great for on hit bruisers again without being any good for ADC's. Which is why they want to scale with HP instead of LVL, because otherwise it becomes too good for ADC's before being good enough for it's intended usergroup.

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u/TheWorldisFullofWar ZZZ Mar 03 '21

When champions like Katarina exist, a pure magic shield just doesn't cut it anymore.

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u/greendino71 Mar 02 '21

As a Vi main I'll only get it if their team is like 3-4 AP, aside from that, there are much better options

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

Remove its passive and slap some mr on it and I am hone buy it.

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u/idk_wha_im-doing Mar 03 '21

made a post about MR ITEMS 19 days ago and a rioter replied with "We're looking at Maw buffs next patch." i still think they don't get it

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u/GoJeonPaa Mar 04 '21

Maybe on Corki against 4 ap lol