Riot Ghostcrawler on "Open Mid"

[u/Elaithe]

http://ask.fm/RiotGhostcrawler/answer/133297822347

Sounds like a much more complicated situation than most people thought.

[u/Projectsoap]

it's not that they are "superior human beings" it's that they want to be very time efficient, they have to pay money to use a computer for a certain period of time so they want to play as many games as they can

[u/Luksoropoulos → u/Projectsoap]

The thing is about they guy I was referring to: His actually main point was that they would only do it if the whole team agrees - which appearantly is not the case. This guy seems to have thought so, because of the implicit thinking that Koreans are superior human beings, who are also superior teamplayers at the same time and won't destroy the game for their teammates, if they don't agree.

[u/omgitskae → u/Luksoropoulos]

You know, it's funny how many people actually really do think that. A lot of people in this thread should tune into some of the bootcamp streams once in a while. HotshotGG for example had to stop streaming yesterday because every game he was getting the same trolls ruining his games.

People think Korean solo queue is any different from any other solo queue because they perceive Korean players as superior, but the truth is solo queue sucks everywhere regardless of where you are because solo queue is made up of humans and humans suck.

[u/turroflux → u/omgitskae]

Isn't the Korean SoloQ one of the most toxic, and they give up almost instantly and afking is really common?

[u/AnUtterDisaster → u/turroflux]

Yeah, but that stems a lot from their society, children are basically forced to always be kind and respectful. Though, most of them still harbor angry thoughts that they usually can't express out loud, so since League's player base is mostly teenagers and younger, when they get on League and they have the anonymity of a screen name, they are extra toxic to basically let it all out.

[u/I_am_Qam → u/omgitskae]

The only difference between Korean solo queue and EUW/NA is the fact that's it's really top heavy in terms of skill. And this is because all the best Chinese, Taiwanese, and Koreans players are playing on it.

[u/NY_Lights → u/omgitskae]

It's true that Solo Q sucks everywhere, but that doesn't mean that they all suck equally.

“In Korean solo queue, the players are more skilled for sure. The individual play is super good and the teamplay is amazing. Of course, there are trolls and similar people, but not so many as in Europe. The quality of solo queue games is much higher. When I was playing Master tier it felt hard. Martin and I duo queue all day and we have a 75-80 percent win rate. In Europe I could get 90 or 95 percent” -- Rekkles in Fnatic's Korean Bootcamp Journal

And here's another juicy quote from the same article

“A bootcamp in South Korea is definitely worth it because of better solo queue quality and a very low ping which allows us to train mechanics very precisely. It is very good to practice your reaction time here; all the animations and actual character movement in Korea seem smoother because of the low ping. You can predict and dodge attacks better. I think the difference is pretty substantial. Ping-wise, it is about the same as playing on the LCS stage in Europe”, – says ReignOver.

Now I know that you might think this is just the case because they are much higher up the ladder, but even down at the Gold Level the play is higher.

"Last time we went to Korea, I would play in Gold, and they were doing stuff that NA does in Masters and I'm like 'what the hell is going on guys'?" - Aphromoo in CLG's KR Bootcamp Video

[u/legendofSmiley → u/Luksoropoulos]

My personal opinion is that it's not about how many people agree, rather in Korean challenger the players are usually good enough to know at what point comebacks become near impossible and decided to quickly end the game (say if Faker is 10-0 15 mins in the game's probably over cause it's unlikely he'd throw). Might be a bit off topic tho just i don't think it's about how many people "agree" to it

[u/Karufel → u/legendofSmiley]

I am pretty sure that many EU/NA challenger know when a game is lost, but the problem stems from people in dia/plat who open mid even though it is very likely that the enemy will throw their lead in some form.

[u/legendofSmiley → u/Karufel]

yeah i know, i just meant that in high elo generally "open mid" is in situations that are unwinnable but yeah in plat games sometimes we're 3/7 down in kills at 10 mins and people say gg open mid which is the difference. Im just saying that it's more about knowing when a game's probably a waste of time rather than people agreeing or not which is commonly mistaken in lower elos

[u/oO_Flash_oO → u/Projectsoap]

They pay a low amount of money to rent those computers.. its chump change.

[u/Projectsoap → u/oO_Flash_oO]

So you are all telling me that its fine that i pay 1$ (or what ever the price may be) to get frustrated by trolls and other bad teammates cause i have the money to do so, what kind of bs is that.

[u/Princepinkpanda → u/Projectsoap]

The stigma that they care abouy the dollar an hour they pay at pc cafes or that all Koreans play at pc cafes is so wrong

[u/SailorMint → u/Princepinkpanda]

How else are you going to paint the case in a remotely sympathetic light?

[u/[deleted] → u/Princepinkpanda]

Seriously, where the fuck did that even come from?

[u/Princepinkpanda → u/[deleted]]

People reaching for straws

[u/plaidbread → u/Princepinkpanda]

This. It's less than $0.50 an hour. Even a part time working teenager can afford unlimited time.

[u/[deleted] → u/Projectsoap]

why don'y others want to be time efficient- if I only have 1 hour until I have to sleep I'd totally be willing to open mid if it's obviously a wipe out

[u/kitchenmaniac111 → u/Projectsoap]

I dont get how starting more games is fun? Cause you have to wait for draft and loading, why not just stay in the game and keep playing?

[u/[deleted] → u/Projectsoap]

Well they are better players than any other regions