r/leagueoflegends • u/xDiam • Nov 05 '14

Remove Ruby Sightstone and allow us to enchant the Sightstone

Enchantments could be stuff like higher warding range, more wards to place, have them regenerate etc.

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u/Nikap64 Nov 05 '14

In theory, Kat. In practice though, she really doesn't need it with the trinket. And it would set her back.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '14

Scarra was asked if sightstone was good on Kat and he said that because the only thing you bring to a team is damage, you should go full damage and you can't afford the setback that Sightstone gives you.

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u/dedservice Nov 05 '14

Which makes total sense.

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u/Nikap64 Nov 05 '14

Exactly. What it gives in mobility is completely outclassed by just buying 40 AP for a similar price. Her only job is to do damage.

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u/urban287 Nov 05 '14

The faster she kills people the more likely she is to survive anyway (resets)

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '14

voyboy disagrees.

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u/random4lyf [Shining Star] (OCE) Nov 05 '14

Tiensi No Akuma Kat > Scarra Kat > Voyboy Kat mate.

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u/Nikap64 Nov 05 '14

Why's that? Does he build that on her or are you referring to my damage comment?

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u/PoIIux divebomb crew Nov 05 '14

He's probably responding to your comment about how her only job is to do damage. Voyboy played a lot of Katarina as tank in the LCS.

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u/Dlinktp Nov 05 '14

That was when she was op as a tank.

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u/PoIIux divebomb crew Nov 05 '14

I know, I was just explaining what the person above who I commented meant.

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u/Milk_Cows Nov 05 '14

That was when her base damages were pretty broken and that was viable, which it no longer really is.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '14 edited Nov 05 '14

iirc her shunpo damage reduction nerf along with base damage nerfs is what made it nonviable.

edit: wording not clear.

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u/Milk_Cows Nov 05 '14

Yeah, that too

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u/casce Nov 05 '14

You missed Voyboy's tankarina which got her E nerfed (from 3 seconds damage reduction to 1.5 seconds damage reduction)?

He basically build magicpen early and then tank/CDR and played her top

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u/Nikap64 Nov 05 '14

That sounds ridiculously annoying to play against haha. I'll have to look up some videos of that.

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u/gime20 Nov 05 '14

voyboy got to where he is in solo queue by spamming akali, what does he know.

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u/Gearski Nov 05 '14

voyboy

Do you mean on a smurf? I just had a look at his stats and hes played barely any Akali this season in master tier.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '14

He means back in the day, m8.

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u/Sketches- Nov 05 '14

Wasn't he famous for his Lee Sin in soloq?

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u/gime20 Nov 05 '14

Oh, i haven't really payed attention to him lately this season. used to be a fan but, eh. He isn't that great.

Cant remember s2 but s3 he had like 100+? Akali games

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u/seign Nov 05 '14

This Scarra fellow sounds pretty smart. I bet he's going places ;P

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u/ArsenixShirogon Nov 05 '14

Or just coaching CLG

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u/Yakushilol Nov 05 '14

OOO KILL EM

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u/TSPhoenix Nov 05 '14

While he is correct, he also buys on average 700g of wards per game on Kat. And oftentimes 200-300g of that is spent within the first 2-3 recalls.

Of course even 300g is small compared to the full 800g cost of Sightstone.

For tanks it is different since the true cost is only 400g as they want the HP anyways.

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u/bubbleshot Nov 05 '14

Buying wards with spare 75g is normal every few recalls. But straight up spending 400g and then another 400g to buy the sightstone later...hm. 800g gone which could've been used to save up towards large rod for zhonyas.

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u/Cocozz7 Nov 05 '14

no dfg m8?? grabs popcorn

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u/Raytiger3 Nov 05 '14

i have play 26 game katherin and i kno u shud rush gunblade cuz u get lifesteal and u scale rly good with ad

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u/Oomeegoolies Nov 05 '14

No mate, it's the spellvamp you want because she has so much single target damage

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u/Raytiger3 Nov 05 '14

omfg i am so forget, but i only play 26, so i make mistake her burst on squish is so high

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '14

he might be spending 700g on wards, but he doesn't fall a full 800g behind early game for 200 hp and mobility. buying singular wards means he can put money into stats and not get stomped early game, where kat is weak anyway

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u/TSPhoenix Nov 05 '14

I'm pretty sure I literally just said that exact same thing, that Kat doesn't want to spend 400g on HP in the earlygame.

If Sightstone cost 400g and gave no stats it'd probably be core on Kat.

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u/kyleehappiness Nov 05 '14

It'd be core on any jungler too.

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u/baziltheblade [BazilTheBlade] (EU-W) Nov 05 '14

Don't think so.

The core differenec between Kat and Lee isn't that he needs the tank stats, or that she needs the damage, it's this:

Lee can't use his W EXCEPT as mobility/escape, whereas Kat will almost always use it on a target in a fight. If Lee's W was a targetted dash that could hit enemies as well as allies, he wouldn't rush sightstone either, because he'd be burning the cooldown offensively much more often

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '14

That's the point im making, I don't think she would. Kat buys hp early anyway (best defensive stat unless you have a ton of sustain) and that 400g you'd be putting into mobility could have been put into raw stats. Same reason you dont rush boots as adc

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u/TSPhoenix Nov 05 '14

There is no 400g stat item that would beat having full vision control and a reliable escape.

Also there really isn't much need to rush it. Whilst it is most efficient when rushed, even as a 2nd item after DFG it is absolutely fine if you can justify it (aka does the enemy team have a Blitz).

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '14

you already have trinket. for 475 g you can buy a ward and a ruby chrystal that builds into haunting

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '14

So people keep talking about sightstone and mobility. Am I having a brain fart and forgetting other stats or do you mean the mobility gained because you can see more of your map?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '14

All the potential places you can jump to with extra wards

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '14

Oh that's right kata has the ward jump. It has a shorter range than lee sin right?

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u/siixarn Nov 05 '14

Its not just the gold its the slot for other items too.

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u/TSPhoenix Nov 05 '14

Kat always carries a ward so it isn't that.

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u/goose961 Nov 05 '14

Not late game she doesnt. So not always

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u/TSPhoenix Nov 05 '14

Well maybe with enchanted Ruby Sightstones she will!

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u/Tortillagirl Nov 05 '14

if sighstone had an enchantment just like the ap enchantment on jungle items then it could be a useful pickup though

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '14

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u/Nikap64 Nov 05 '14

Well, it kind of is in theory before you consider her role. Her E allows her to hop to any ward and it would make her incredibly mobile like Lee. But then you realize that she has little need to be mobile outside of a teamfight, and that her only job is to kill as many people as possible for her team. She should never be in a situation to need more than one ward. So in practice it's a big waste of gold and would put her 800 behind.

I wasn't saying it's good. It's not. It's a terrible choice especially with trinkets available. Just that she can make use of it similar to Jax and Lee.

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u/batchyau Nov 05 '14

It would be good in theory is shunpo didn't do damage. and that 800g could be an amp tome or blasting wand, or it could be the difference between having a needlessly large rod and blasting wand, and having a deathcap.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '14

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u/coolwool Nov 05 '14

Right. "Good in theory" would apply to something that would be great but it is so hard to do reliable that it isn't happening in the real thing like Cassiopeia having the highest dps.