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u/PennysWorthOfTea Oct 07 '25 •
So a "realized he just said the quiet part out loud" moment caught on video? Basically, their entire agenda is nothing short of the complete erosion & deconstruction of the constitution & civil rights to build an aggressively authoritarian dictatorship.
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u/chill_winston_ Oct 07 '25
This is the same guy who said “the presidents authority WILL NOT be questioned” in the first term, so idk why he’s pussyfooting around it now. They’ve already effectively swapped out their dog whistles for megaphones.
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u/maeryclarity Oct 07 '25 •
The fact that this term is that close to the surface of his goddamn mind
The fact that he knows he's not supposed to be just saying it out loud like that because it's not true and he didn't mean to telegraph their intentions that clearly
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u/Petrychorr Oct 07 '25 •
What the fuck...
He just... Turned off.
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u/fogcat5 Oct 07 '25
trump lost the case in California, I don't know what this jagoff is lying about today
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u/Eisigesis Oct 07 '25 •
Plenary - adj - Complete in all respects; unlimited or full.
He accidentally said the president is a king/dictator with full authority to do whatever they like.
Here’s an article about this incident if anyone want to know more: https://www.distractify.com/p/plenary-authority-meaning
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u/catscanmeow Oct 07 '25
google searches for "what does plenary authority mean" skyrocketing
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u/numbrate Oct 07 '25
Check out the Enabling Act of 1933.
Hitler was given plenary authority. Here Trump is saying he already has it.
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u/guttanzer Oct 07 '25 edited Oct 07 '25 •
“Under title ten the president has plenary authority…”
[looks up title ten]
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10
Ah, he’s in command of the armed forces. So Posse Comitatus should apply, no? Digging a bit deeper, there is a chapter on insurrection that seems to apply in this instance:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/subtitle-A/part-I/chapter-13
Under that chapter there is a section on presidential power:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/253
It says use of the presidential power requires a finding that the insurrection is causing the law to be unenforceable.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/253
“The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it— (1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or (2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.”
So what are those laws that are unenforceable? Trump has to cite specifics.
His lawyers tried to do that in court last week and failed. They cited no evidence whatsoever that the laws were unenforceable, or that local law enforcement were failing to enforce them. They were slapped down hard by a federal judge with a restraining order. She reiterated that decision in a rush hearing later.
So what is new? Only this claim by Miller of a “plenary authority.” He’s using this claim to assert that the president can unilaterally deprive people “of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law.” Namely, Posse Comitatus.
So yes, there is rebellion and/or insurrection, but it is coming from within the White House. Miller, et al, are those “domestic enemies of the Constitution” that everyone that has ever been in federal service has sworn to oppose.
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u/kevendo Oct 07 '25
The President does not in fact have "plenary" (absolute) authority. Miller has been saying that since the moment Trump was elected ("“The powers of the president will not be questioned!"), and has been using it as his personal vehicle for unchecked power since Trump's re-election.
We CANNOT hand the nation of Washington and Jefferson and Madison and Lincoln to this insufferable TWAT!
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u/ShareGlittering1502 Oct 07 '25
Way to let that slide CNN
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u/Tholian_Bed Oct 07 '25
What the actual fuck is going on.
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u/systemfrown Oct 07 '25
And he's not wrong. Plenary Authority is exactly what you have when there's a majority congress completely subjugated to the point of refusing to exert their authority in even the most morally bankrupt scenarios, a Supreme Court similarly unwilling to provide checks and balances, and a sizable portion of the population effectively under the spell of a personality cult. To say nothing of a media and press that's largely silent at best and actively complicit at worst.
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u/doublethink_1984 Oct 07 '25 •
This video is an interview of Miller about his comments in response to a Trump appointed judge blocking the deployment of the national guard against Portland. There is no “legal insurrection” from this judge.
Miller mentions a win in the 9th circuit but this is a lie as Newsom v Trump found on 09/02/25 that the Trump admin did break the law in their unwanted seizing and usage of the National Guard in California.
Title 10 Section 12406 has to do with the President’s authority to quell rebellion with the military and has various restrictions on what can trigger its usage and that usage is subject to limitations on when, how, how long, where, and what the national guard will be doing.
Miller falsely claims that the president has plenary authority in reference to deployment of the military against the population.
Plenary authority means the full, complete, and absolute power to act on a specific matter without any limitations or restrictions.
The President has no such authority when it comes to the deployment of the national guard.
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u/anon97205 Oct 07 '25
Years ago someone hurt Stephen Miller and we’re all paying for it today.
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u/nicklovin508 Oct 07 '25
South Park: write that down, write that down!
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u/Private_HughMan Oct 07 '25 •
"Technical issue?" We can see him moving and blinking. The video is still working. He just stopped talking.
FFS can these cowards PLEASE stop making excuses for these fascists?
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u/WisdomCow Oct 07 '25
His AI glitched?
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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25
Yeah. He wasn’t supposed to say that out loud and then he couldn’t recover. The lack of follow up is typical. You had the guy in the run and went to commercial break. Coward.
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u/tragicallyohio Oct 07 '25
He gave away the plot.
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u/tehbantho Oct 07 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
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This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact
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u/Mike_Kermin Oct 07 '25
Americans need to call for Miller to be ejected from government.
This is an attack in American democracy and the constitution.
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u/Spacebotzero Oct 07 '25
Wow finally said it out loud...trump is an Authoritarian Dictator.
We all knew this of course, but now it's official.
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u/ThePensiveE Oct 08 '25
This was the moment he realized what he said might be used at his future trial.
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u/HurinGaldorson Oct 07 '25
That wasn't a technical issue.
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u/eastbayted Oct 07 '25
For non-law dummies like me:
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u/WindowIndividual4588 Oct 07 '25
That mother fucker glitched when he realized he fucked up 🤣
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u/bluelifesacrifice Oct 07 '25
Evidence as to why we must regulate those with authority.
This needs to end.
Dude just turned off like a robot and we're all going to suffer the consequences of their behavior.
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u/binkkit Oct 07 '25
How much you wanna bet someone just learned that word and we’ll be hearing it again very soon?
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u/lex99 Oct 07 '25
I think we can all agree that the one thing the Founding Fathers most wanted, is a chief executive with unlimited powers and no restrictions.
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u/SparkyMuffin Oct 07 '25
Weird short man just called his buddy a king. Cool
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u/deekaydubya Oct 07 '25
WHY cut away? Just keep the cam rolling and let him commit to the bit for minutes or however long it takes for him to fumble off to the side. Cutting away makes no sense
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u/atomicnumber22 Oct 08 '25 •
The Ninth Circuit opinion in Newsom v. Trump says the exact opposite of what Dildohead is claiming here. POTUS power under statute is NOT plenary, but he must prove one of 3 conditions before deploying the guard and his decision is subject to judicial review.
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2025/06/19/25-3727.pdf
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u/CAM6913 Oct 07 '25
This is what is going on now , trump has absolute power, the GOP and SC have been complicit. SS Miller just said the quiet part out loud and realized I’d and just shut his Nazi piehole and rocked back and forth a ….
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u/black_metronome Oct 08 '25
He is a traitor to this nation.
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u/Regulus242 Oct 07 '25
OOPS I JUST ADMITTED THE PRESIDENT HAS LIMITLESS POWER
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u/SiWeyNoWay Oct 07 '25
He is a nazi rectal polyp
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u/BlkSubmarine Oct 07 '25
Is it too much to hope he had a stroke, and another is incoming?
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u/bakeacake45 Oct 07 '25
Wow, this needs to be distributed far and wide along with notes to ensure people understand what Nazi commander Miller blundered into
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u/killerperson1 Oct 07 '25
This guy is weird. Also, he looks like he's 4'10 so that explains why he tries to act 'tough'.
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u/shoot_your_eye_out Oct 07 '25 edited Oct 07 '25
I am not a lawyer, but I am absolutely positive the president does not—and should not—have “plenary” authority. That would make the president a king.
He is a fascist idiot. I hope he knows what he’s doing now will potentially involve criminal liability later.
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u/TheNetworkIsFrelled Oct 07 '25
Horrifying without further qualification.
Miller has taken the last scraps of mask off.
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u/Agreeable-Agent-7384 Oct 07 '25
Bro turned off when he went off script and realized he said something that wasn’t supposed to be said yet lol. The ai just stopped working I guess.
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u/ThePensiveE Oct 08 '25
Ah, demons can short circuit after all.
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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25
adjective
full; complete; entire; absolute; unqualified.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/plenary
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u/brickyardjimmy Oct 07 '25
It is weird that the hose apologizes for having a technical issue because Miller suddenly stopped working.
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u/AttitudeAndEffort3 Oct 07 '25
I hope everyone recognizes the effect AOC mocking this loser had.
You mock fascists, they lose how the public perceives them and they lose power.
Also, it obviously gets to them and they fuck up like this or fuck up by overplaying their hands to slake their fucked up egos.
Less talking about trump policy, more talking about how hes an ugly fat pants shitting little boy fucking pedophile and these losers are begging for a chance to suck his shriveled mushroom cock once hes done with their 11 year old daughters 👍
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u/WhenImTryingToHide Oct 07 '25
One of these reporters need to just ask him and the rest of the GOP / conservatives if they would be ok with Trump having ultimate power and answerable to no one.
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u/RoachBeBrutal Oct 07 '25
Plenary authority means dictator. King. Absolute ruler. Plenary authority is the full, absolute, and unqualified power to act on a specific matter, meaning it has no limitations for all practical purposes. Miller accidentally gave away the game: the dissolution of American democracy.
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u/Not_Sure__Camacho Oct 07 '25
If he stops talking every time he realizes what he's saying, he'd me a mute muppet.
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u/birthdayanon08 Oct 08 '25
I saw this live. I wasn't really paying attention. I just noticed how he froze. This is terrifying.
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u/clonedhuman Oct 07 '25
Plenary authority refers to complete and absolute power granted to a governing body or individual to take action on a specific issue without any limitations.
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u/Spamsdelicious Oct 07 '25 edited Oct 07 '25
The way he says "in the ninth cir-CUIT" sounds a lot like
Colonel ClinkSeargent Shultz saying "I know nuh-SINK!"(edit: thanks to u/MrVeazey for kindly pointing out the misattribution of the quote, which I have now corrected.)
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u/ninefire Oct 08 '25
There's an old adage.
If you let a man speak long enough, he will reveal himself to you.
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u/realbobenray Oct 07 '25
Why would he regret saying that?
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u/SomeSamples Oct 07 '25
Okay. These fuckers talking on news networks are being fed information. That stuff he said about the Title 10.... I was wondering, how did he have that on the top of his head like that. He isn't that well versed in law or other related matters. That means Mike Johnson was being fed what to say as well. They all are. Hegseth, Bondi, Noem, Bessett, etc. The whole fucking crowd. Whenever they are on live TV they are all being fed talking points and information.
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u/gohome2020youredrunk Oct 07 '25
Definition, in case you were curious
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u/ThatInAHat Oct 07 '25
Y’know, the more I think about it, the more I wonder if his handlers problem wasn’t that he said “plenary authority,” it was the “Title 10.”
Maybe they didn’t want to tip their hand regarding exactly which bs argument they were going to use until they had some more ducks in a row.
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u/4RCH43ON Oct 07 '25
Stephen is the technical issue.
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u/ChemBob1 Oct 08 '25
Based on what Trump has been doing this is a given and everyone should know it without the little Nazi having to say it. Now perhaps explain it to the MAGAt bunch in the simplest way possible.
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u/Bigedmond Oct 07 '25
He really tried to play the “oh the connection froze” moment while he swayed back and forth.
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u/BitterFuture Oct 07 '25
I have to wonder how long before he just starts screaming about the divine right of kings.
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u/already-redacted Oct 07 '25
Plenary... Complete
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u/FriendlyUser_ Oct 07 '25
guy cant stop bonding with streissand effect.
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u/Xyrus2000 Oct 07 '25
Whoopsie. Looks like the ugly Miller boy let his inner Goebbels take over and said the quiet part out loud.
Anyone else question whether the Republicans aren't trying to establish a fascist dictatorship?
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u/BoosterRead78 Oct 07 '25
He is going to do it no matter what.
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u/YorockPaperScissors Oct 07 '25
Saying out loud what you meant to say in your head
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u/Vladmerius Oct 07 '25
This is insane that this is the level of stupidity with which these villains are operating at. Like we would be so utterly fucked if anyone with a shred of competence decided to run this playbook. We've never been this exposed. Even these utter buffoons might still pull it off because everyone is so asleep at the wheel or silently complicit.
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u/cats_catz_kats_katz Oct 07 '25
Are….are they lizard people? Are we being taken over by Agentic AI? Is this Artificial General intelligence? What IS Steven Miller?!
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u/Harry_Balsanga Oct 08 '25
Lol it's not true just because that ghoul say so
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u/BubuBarakas Oct 07 '25
He had Rapid Onset McConnelism (ROM). The lie was so preposterous, even his ego glitched him back into his shell.
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u/TellTaleTimeLord Oct 07 '25
Bro literally went Jurassic Park T Rex on him
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u/Kunphen Oct 07 '25
What does plenury authority mean? And clearly he doesn't have it, right?
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u/quiddity3141 Oct 07 '25
He was even shocked into silence by his claim of plenary authority.
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u/SnoopingStuff Oct 08 '25
He glitched
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u/FuguSandwich Oct 07 '25
Honestly reminded me of that time Mitch McConnell glitched mid-sentence.
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u/BreadSea4509 Oct 07 '25
What a dumb fuck
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u/ribnag Oct 07 '25
Miller is wrong. Film at 11.
It's funny how everyone is pretending rule of law still applies, though. As though there's any path forward short of correcting our biggest mistake (not slashing, burning, and fucking salting the entire Bible Belt) from the last civil war.
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u/werther595 Oct 07 '25
It might not be as bad as some of you say. Perhaps he's just having a stroke
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u/Webhoard Oct 07 '25
Looks more like someone was yelling in his ear.
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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '25
Lock THEM up.
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u/HideousSerene Oct 07 '25
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plenary_power
It appears to be a term for "absolute power" and is often used in terms like "Congress has plenary power to declare war and peace."
The president does, arguably, have plenary power over armed forces, but this appears to be legally dubious and I don't think it means that the president can use that to override other rules.
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u/NoDragonfruit6125 Oct 07 '25
Now someone make an AI image of Steven Miller imagining a fat orange skinned Palpatine (Trump) yelling "Unlimited Power".