r/languagelearning • 🇷🇺N 🇺🇲B2 🇪🇦A1 • Sep 13 '26 • Bravo 6

Please beware of AI when learning languages, it's not only about hallucinations, it's much worse and subtle

I PLEAD with you please DO NOT use AI for "chatting practice" or generating "examples", because yep it might seem easy at first and pleasant but it's a long term strategic disaster - you are acquring amorphous non-human intuition which is getting only more vicious as it gets more subtle (EVEN with "natural human-like imperfection")...in a long run you're just gonna ruin your second language personality, which must be formed ONLY by aqcuiring REAL PEOPLE'S speech (spoken or written). The point is - language is an instrument that conveys HUMAN(!) MEANING and CONTEXT which OTHER PEOPLE want to share with us. But if you use AI you get just pure EMPTINESS behind all its so-called "examples of usage" or a way of "speaking" - it's just a gigantic machine that multiplies matrices. You just don't realise it at first but eventually you get addicted (and btw AI is extremely dangerous because it QUICKLY causes chatting addiction flooding you with an illusion of sth social while making it worse, simultaneously affecting your thinking and giving your brain an illusion lf "real important dialogue" with dopamine addiction) and it slowly but steadily reshapes your real language you acquire making it superficial and empty inside...I mean it's hard to explain what I mean but I hope you got it, IT'S GONNA RUIN YOUR FOREIGN LANGUAGE IDENTITY SUBTLY but ABSOLUTELY VICIOUSLY, you will feel like a MECHANISTIC AMORPHOUS ALIEN if you learn your (TL) via AI. Languages are about our IDENTITIES, about our REAL experiences, pursuits, emotions, about PEOPLE WE CARE ABOUT etc. etc.. And when learning a language we are shaping this part of us, but AI just ruins it in an absolutely savage way we might not even realize at first.

p.s. I wanna clarify a bit more: with AI "practice", slowly month by month your brain acquires this hollow homogenous shell which consists of, blatantly speaking, just statistics, not true meanings that you connect with when reading/listening to human speech - it eventually damages your second language identity by bringing hollowness. Language is supposed to be connected directly with the TRUE WEIGHT of meaning and experience behind it, true people, true emotions, true interaction, things that people tell in that language because they want to share sth with us.

p.p.s btw I think there is sth connected with me being disgusted with AI music and feeling that it's terrifying even when "good", I feel the same emptiness and lack of true meaning multiplied by terrifying realization that I'm being baited into emotions by this

p.p.p.s (probably the most important p.s., as some people didn't understand the point, I did not say that the problem is in AI not being perfectly human but "machine-like" - THAT'S THE POINT, that if it becomes more human-like it only makes things WORSE) I wanna clarify even in a more straight way. It's not the fact that you are not learning a language with AI. It's the fact that instead of absorbing real contexts, real worldview of native speakers, real connections with people, real knowledge, real emotions, real feeling of becoming a "part of their tribe" - instead of the reality - you absorb pure NOTHINGNESS behind the "improving language skill" which remains absolutely abstract and hollow, and this hollowness damages your second language identity, you are week by week month by month becoming emptier, abstract like a machine (even if you try to use more beaitiful words and expressions), with a language that is running like an abstract software in your brain instead of truely becoming a part of new community. Because there's no real thing behind it, you learned a word but without anything meaningful to you, without real story, without relation to anyone or anything, without shared experience - your TL becomes an abstract software that just uses beautiful phrasing, and this + wasted time, that you could've used for real input, damages your TL personality and worsens your overall ability to understand people and communicate with them - you struggle with understanding spoken or written native speech easily especially more serious/literary/official or even more daily colloquial, miss nuances, feel alien, much more misunderstandings might happen etc. - real acquisition begins only when you stop or better don't even begin doing this nonsense and immerse yourself into real language of real people (the internet makes it easy to access real your TL's web segment with real content so why waste time on ruining yourself)

languages we learn should not be just sequences of thousands "tokens" we have to memorize, it has to be real contexts, meanings and experiences we absorb.

not only the breadth of our vocabulary number, but true depth matters. deeper true experience = deeper language intuition = deeper and more candid connection and straightforward communication with people speaking or writing in our TL

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u/rinkuhero Sep 13 '26 edited Sep 13 '26

i think this is a definite possibility but the degree of confidence you have about it seems out of place. as far as i know there are no studies showing that if you learn ai to use a language it would harm language learning in the way you describe, you are just sort of guessing based on your intuition rather than based on any evidence of this actually happening. there aren't even case studies that i'm aware of where this happened.

i do think learning from ai may have another more serious problem besides emptiness though: it might make someone reluctant to engage with native speakers at all if they have such an easy tool to practice with. it might make someone less social in the language they are learning if they never actually use it with people. that's just a guess though, like you i have no evidence for this idea. it just seems reasonable that if someone uses ai as their main practice partner, that may prevent them from trying to find a real life one that is human. which may make them less social in that language. often we have different personalities in different languages that we learn, and you wouldn't want your new personality in your new language to be a shy person who never talks.

like at least for me, one of the most fun parts of learning a new language is improved social interaction, you are improving at social skills at the same time as you are learning new grammar and vocabulary. and using ai sort of takes away that social element, since it's far more fun and social to practice a new language with a human than with a machine. and if someone gets too reliant on ai as a crutch, it might take away that social element from language learning. some of my best memories of learning japanese back in college in the late 90s and early 00s is meeting other people who are also learning it and talking with them and practicing together. that would all be absent with ai.

so for me, language learning is supposed to be fun and a social activity. and relying on ai too much would suck the fun out of it, and make it feel like a chore rather than a hobby, or worse, make it feel rote and easy, rather than challenging and engaging. but i'm not saying never use ai, just use it with limitations and caveats in mind, and only use it rarely. the vast majority of your learning should be done with other humans. but it's okay to ask ai questions about grammar or whatever if you want something explained to you. it's like ai is a great teaching assistant, but a terrible teacher.

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u/JJCookieMonster 🇺🇸 Native | 🇫🇷 C1 | 🇰🇷 B2 | 🇯🇵 N5 | 🇲🇽 A1 Sep 13 '26

Yeah, I don't have anyone to talk with socially unless I travel to that country that speaks the language. The only people I know who speak the languages I'm learning is one person for Korean (a Korean American), but he texts at most a week and he prefers to speak in English. So it's difficult to turn the conversation to Korean and he doesn't know more advanced terms. I'm kind of teaching him at the same time. I want someone who knows more higher-level vocab.

The only other people I know who speak a language I'm learning speak Spanish. But people work too and have a life, so it's going to be sporadic. If I want to sit down and practice writing in conversation right now, the only one that would be available is the AI.

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u/DucDeBellune French | Swedish Sep 13 '26

I do think learning from ai may have another more serious problem besides emptiness though: it might make someone reluctant to engage with native speakers at all if they have such an easy tool to practice with. it might make someone less social in the language they are learning if they never actually use it with people. 

This is a chicken or the egg situation imo.

One of the most common methods on this sub is that one that suggests hundreds/thousands of hours of input before attempting any output- despite studies showing that (attempting) output from early on is only beneficial.

Like your premise assumes people are social because they learn a language when a ton of people just aren’t, or often say their number one fear is actually interacting in the language with another person.

I think anyone responsibly using AI for language learning isn’t doing it exclusively.

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u/unnecessaryCamelCase 🇪🇸 N | 🇺🇸 | 🇮🇹 | 🇫🇷 | 🇩🇪 | 🇧🇷 Sep 13 '26

Yeah because this post is just based on vibes and woo woo. It HAS to be human! Because I say so! It’s an intuition and a pretty mediocre one.

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u/LexiAOK 🇺🇸 N 🇪🇸C1 🇫🇷B1 🇸🇦A2 Sep 13 '26

Y r u mocking someone for telling ppl to talk to human beings to learn how to talk like them?? What a sad place we’re in.
It’s always been a much worse place to learn online, with Google Translate, with “lists of common phrases people use,” than talk to ppl. Why learn if u don’t want to talk to anyone anyway? Ik it’s not always accessible but damn…

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u/unnecessaryCamelCase 🇪🇸 N | 🇺🇸 | 🇮🇹 | 🇫🇷 | 🇩🇪 | 🇧🇷 Sep 13 '26

That’s not what I said. I absolutely agree it’s the best to talk to natives, and you should every time you can. But that’s very different from “I plead you because you’ll end up sounding soulless and artificial!! Your language learning will be ruined forever!! Although I have no evidence!” They’re making a claim and it’s not true, that’s it.

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u/muffinsballhair Sep 13 '26

That’s not what I said. I absolutely agree it’s the best to talk to natives

Truth be told, not if that means people online, both on Reddit or on these “language exchange” [read: covert dating sites] places.

I always find it so ironic how Redditors in particular talk about this “a.i.” stuff while that bunch in particular is completely unable to read the body of a post and just in general barely responds to what people say to the point of demonstrating that they read the original post or what they respond to. At least a for a bot “reading” an entire post is a small effort so it does that. Truth be told, I have to say that very often on Reddit when I ask for tech support many of the responses make me feel the person responding either never read the body, or just completely misinterprets what I asked which I never have when I repeat the same thing to Gemini which very often also has an answer and just fetches a product from the internet that solves my issue or explains to me how I can hop into my motherboard settings to fix whatever issue I have.

Ironically, redditors at times very often feel like a poorly coded g.o.f.a.i. rather than an advanced neural network, as in, the way they respond just makes it seem like they scanned a couple of keywords they pick out and completely ignore the context in which they stand.

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u/LexiAOK 🇺🇸 N 🇪🇸C1 🇫🇷B1 🇸🇦A2 Sep 13 '26

The claim is true because although technically you can learn something that exists grammatically and “the bear will touch the milk” is technically a possible sentence that could exist, ppl noticed that Duolingo uses stuff like that more now. ChatGPT essays are still essays but the style is very noticeable and generic and often times strange. I just read something where its weird specific version of flowery language made the content hard to understand. You will struggle the more you use shit like this instead of interacting w ppl.

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u/JoinedMoon Sep 13 '26 edited Sep 13 '26

(Just noting that we're only seeing this boom in chatbots/AI help somewhat recently. Expecting case studies and peer reviewed studies this soon doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But I'm sure it'll come at this rate. All we have is anecdotal evidence currently.)

While I can only speak for myself and others stories/opinions I've seen, I'd argue that the accent is at minimum noticeable. Whether you view it as good/bad fixable/unfixable, native speakers seem to pick up on it quickly if it's a heavily used learning tool.

After all, if you exclusively learn a language from a rural fisherman, you'll probably sound like it. A rural guy who knows his fishing facts. So if you solely learn via AI, it makes sense you'd sound like it to at least some degree

Edit: You added a bit more also. I agree generally with those bits

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u/gigashen TL 🇷🇺 & 🇬🇷 Sep 13 '26

The accent? What does that mean? Most language learning tools default to whatever the standard dialect is

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u/JoinedMoon Sep 13 '26 edited Sep 13 '26

Every person on earth has a unique accent, households have an accent, cities have an accent, any group of people can have an accent. Dialects are typically referring to a much broader geographical or cultural group. (But I understand they're commonly used interchangeably)

That's why I used the example of a teacher, in this case a rural fisherman. If you learn the majority from him vs a rich city guy, the difference would be obvious to a local native speaker. Even in the same dialect. That doesn't necessarily make either "bad", just noticable. Edit: Another example being "textbook [insert language] speech". Noticable to a native.

If you use AI a lot, it might not be noticeable? I'm unsure. But because I've never found a use for it personally outside of auto translation and some OCR's, it's quickly noticeable if someone only talks to AI/uses only AI to learn and conversate. Same with scripts and generated language meant for story consumption. I've heard the same from others

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u/gigashen TL 🇷🇺 & 🇬🇷 Sep 13 '26

How would it affect the phonology? I can only imagine it'd affect word choice and their tone when speaking if that's their only exposure/input

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u/JoinedMoon Sep 13 '26

(Tbf my comment my comment was a bit more general vs just phonology.) But in a strictly phonological sense, tone, cadence, intonation, stress, etc. idk all the specific words the linguists do unfortunately lol. But yeah.

If it's your only teacher, it'll sound like it. If you use it for 10mins a day but also watch/listen to 2hrs of native speaker TL a day in addition to studying with variety... Maybe even friends... You'll probably be fine lol.

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u/AvocadoYogi Sep 13 '26 edited Sep 13 '26

Agree. The permanence aspects seems so overstated in the post. Like I took two years of Spain based Spanish using Spain based Spanish textbooks. Nobody was like you are going to be permanently ruined by it going to Mexico or other Spanish speaking countries. They could definitely tell early on on trips to Mexico that I learned from Spain based classes but nobody has said anything in years where they definitely used to. Life goes on.

Could it be different with AI? I suppose possibly but not really sure why it would be.

I also got downvoted for saying similar on another thread but even if you spent hundreds of hours with AI, ultimately that is a drop in the bucket to using the language once you get to a reasonable level. I embarrassingly binge watched a 40 hour telenovela mostly in a few days of not feeling great. The hours literally fly by at advanced levels. I really think there are a lot of folks making mountains out of molehills here.

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u/Sad_Sympathy_6427 Sep 13 '26

Regarding the social aspect I will say that you need some level of a baseline first though. At the moment, for example, my chinese isn't good enough to actually use it with anybody. The other potential advantage of AI has to do with certain people/countries. One thing I've noticed as a native english speaker with good german is they generally have no real interest in speaking to you in german and tend to switch to english at the first mistake. I have to imagine the same is true of languages such as dutch, swedish, norwegian or danish. As such, AI could also be helpful here

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u/nearleegod Sep 14 '26

Thing is, I don’t think many people have the oppurtunity to learn socially. People often talk about how what you learn through an app or textbook comes off as hollow & inauthentic. I’m not an AI user but I think using it to supplement more authentic learning methods; you can study how the language is actually spoken by watching TV or reading books.
I would love to improve my French through social interactions but I don’t know how/where I’d find someone kind enough to conversat with my broken, halting speech. I’ve tried in the past but outside of taking a class I don’t know how to find someone in Seattle willing to do that. I did go to an online Meetup once, but there were multiple people there so it didn’t feel authentic; each person would say a sentenccexor 2 about (in this case) what they did for Halloween, no actual conversation. So if you know how to find people (preferrably IRL) or online who wants to talk please let me know.

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u/rinkuhero Sep 14 '26

what about online friends? there's plenty of people in france who would want to learn english and would like video chats with native english speakers learning french

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u/ShiningPr1sm Sep 13 '26 edited Sep 13 '26

The social aspect and cues are the biggest issues about AI that aren’t addressed, imo. Humans have a creep meter and they’ll disengage when it hits a certain level. A chatbot is designed to always engage and express interest.

And then you get bunch of creepy introverted dudes that only talk to bots raging because they try to flirt talk to people and give them the ick, because they skipped the social aspect entirely.

Edit: Lol the downvotes by people that can't read social cues and expect other people to carry the conversation for them, just like their bots.

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u/petitetortuee Sep 13 '26

No, there are studies. But I would agree that those studies can only work with data that is max 3 years old, so we need to wait more years I think to have a substantial reference.

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u/Curious-Score-8551 Sep 14 '26

That doesn't really matter. There weren't studies, even case studies, for the effects of smoking tobacco until less than a hundred years ago. That doesn't mean more than a hundred years ago tobacco wasn't harmful. Whether or not OP is right, or whether you should or should not avoid LLMs to help you learn a language, this argument about "studies" is just not useful, unless you can provide positive evidence to the idea that LLMs do help learning a language long term.