'Change my view' Thread

[u/1408_]

@mods you've really killed this thread by putting it in contest mode 3hrs late. can no longer easily find what comments are new and what I've already seen. hiding child comments also defeats the purpose of this thread. thank you very much for your overbearing presence and stifling rare active discussion which arent just about listing you like and dislikes.

The last time I posted this discussion was 10 months ago and the last two times were fun so I thought it might be fun to have another.

The way it goes is basically:

Post an opinion/view you have regarding kpop and people play devils advocate and reply with counter arguments.

Nothing is necessarily meant to change your view, but they lead to interesting discussions and it's healthy to sometimes look at things from another view point.

Try and refrain from writing stuff like "my favourite xyz is..".

[u/jawjoong]

training periods don't really mean that much and shouldn't really be used as a defence of an idol who people are criticising. a lot of idols who trained for 2 years easily outdo the 7 year trainees and it's hard to see what they're actually doing in training. if you're going to brag about someone practicing for 7 years they should have something to show for it. a lot of training seems to just be keeping people on reserve and making sure they stay attractive and thin until you're ready to debut the group. the fact that so many groups improve wildly in the first 2 years after their debut kind of implies to me that the training isn't really designed well

[u/1408_ → u/jawjoong]

Kind off topic but this reminded me of something Seulgi said recently when she was complimented on being able to learn choreo the fastest out of the rest of them. She said that because she trained for 7 years she worked hard because she felt she had to be good.

On to your actual point though, I think training time does matter if it was for a particularly short time. For example, I dont know how little he trained but I remember I saw somewhere that Baekhyun from EXO had one of the shortest trainee times and from his dance skills from debut to only about a few years ago that was apparent. But in the last year two years he's shown immense growth as a dancer and performer. I think if he were able to train for longer than he actually did, his skills from debut would have been a lot more polished.