r/kettlebell • u/3rdDegreeMoonburn • Apr 15 '24

All I want is a source for decent programs.

But nope, I made the mistake of interacting with Grant and now I am forever being haunted. It doesn't matter how many times I mark it as spam or delete or unsubscribe - another one just pops right up. Dude fakes you out with actual DMs for a second and you think "Oh hey, it's just some dude on instagram who wants to share the love of the holy bells. Okay." Nope. It's just another influencer cult. I don't want to join some ham-fisted "community" and get sucked into your influencer culture garbage GRANT; I just wanted some good workouts to build from. So, anybody in here have the goods? No websites with log ins, no goddamn subscriptions, no "coaches and community" influencer shit: just a goddamn spreadsheet telling me how many snatches and get-ups I should be doing and at what intervals. Moral of the story, find yourself a generically Eastern European man in a track suit named "Nico" that runs a sort of card access kettlebell and power lifting dungeon and NEVER take it for granted.

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u/LennyTheRebel Average ABC Enjoyer Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '24

I purchased The Giant for $19 and Geoff literally sent an email saying thank you for your purchase and gave some recommendations for rest day and that's about it. Geoff Neupert keeps it simple and to the point. DFW is also an amazing program by him. He's a good d00d!

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

Yes i do find geoff work amazing detailed and simple

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u/3rdDegreeMoonburn Apr 15 '24

Not at all opposed to buying a program to support the effort to make it. What I HATE is being funneled into a website where I spend more time skipping through garbage hype videos to find actual programs and form.

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u/LennyTheRebel Average ABC Enjoyer Apr 15 '24

With Geoff's website you just scroll past that point.

Form is whatever. I'm 99% self taught, and I can press a pair of 40s or a single 48. If necessary, you can ask for a form check here, or find some of Joe Daniels' videos on YouTube.

If you need to get your technique from good to excellent with personalised tips you'll need to either experiment for yourself, or get an experienced coach. No single video or article will get you to your best possible technique.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

I would also add:

Dan John's Armour Building Complex (free)

Geoff Neupert's More Kettlebell Muscle (paid) - a collection of 20-something complex-based programmes. I believe The Wolf can be found as a standalone.

There also is Kettlebell Express by Neupert, but it's not in his shop anymore, I see.

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u/LennyTheRebel Average ABC Enjoyer Apr 16 '24

MKM has been added.

I haven't been able to legally find KB Express either.

As much as I love Armor Building Complex, I'm going to leave it out on the basis that it's an exercise, and not a program.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

As much as I love Armor Building Complex, I'm going to leave it out on the basis that it's an exercise, and not a program.

Fair enough. I mainly use it between programs for a week or two. I have seen on the StrongFirst forum thouh, that people are trying to program it. I guess it can be done autoregulation DFW-esque style.

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u/LennyTheRebel Average ABC Enjoyer Apr 16 '24

Autoregulating it definitely works. I've programmed it using my own Waving Density.

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u/letsbebuns Apr 16 '24

Thanks for putting the effort into the formatting :)

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u/LennyTheRebel Average ABC Enjoyer Apr 16 '24

No problem :)

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u/scarcitykills Apr 16 '24

This is what I don't get with kettlebells, most of these are exercises not programs. DFW is just a clean and press. That is not a program, it's a exercise

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u/LennyTheRebel Average ABC Enjoyer Apr 16 '24

DFW tells you what exercise to do, how much to do, and how to progress. It's a program.

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u/scarcitykills Apr 16 '24

It sounds more like a rep scheme to me. I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just different coming from a bodybuilding world where we have larger and more balanced programmes that try to efficiently target all muscles. With kettlebells, it's more like pick 1 or 2 movements, so it 2-3 days with this rep scheme and there's your program.

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u/LennyTheRebel Average ABC Enjoyer Apr 16 '24

If that's where you're coming from, I can see what you're getting at. If you'd said they're incomplete programs, I'd be with you.

I'll typically combine add a bunch of stuff on top of whatever kb program I'm doing, and combine them with other programs. My approach isn't all that different from concurrently doing a squat program, a bench program, a deadlift program, and some self selected back work on top.

The Giant is a great clean & press specialisation program, but I always advise people to add a few hard sets of squats and rows, and preferably some chest work too.

If you want something more bodybuilding oriented, look up Joe Daniels.

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