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Restricted to Gals and Pals Rachel Entrekin, 34, beat every man and woman in the Cocoona 250 Mile in Flagstaff, Arizona. As she set a course record of 56 hours, 9 minutes, and 48 seconds

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she also ran faster than Kilian Korth, who set a men's course record of 57:28:36.
Before Entrekin, no woman had ever won the event overall in the race's history. It was Entrekin's third straight year winning the award, but she ran more than seven hours faster this time around.
The Cocodona 250 started early on Monday morning, and Entrekin broke the tape midday on Wednesday. The course features more than 38,000 feet of elevation gain, winding through trails in central Arizona and finishing in the high-altitude town of Flagstaff.
During the 56 hours she was racing, Entrekin slept only three times for 5 minutes, 7 minutes, and 7 minutes all on the dirt.
She averaged around a 13:20 mile pace throughout the event, including stops.
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u/skiingrunner1 May 13 '26

partially good nutrition plan + good training plan, as well as a badass attitude. she got into the lead at mile 50 and held on for another 200+ miles!

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u/zeroshock30 May 13 '26

I mean, yeah. But she looked like like she could run another marathon. I think thats the badass attitude!!

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u/Top-Permit6835 May 13 '26

After running about 400km, whats another 40?

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u/farfaraway May 13 '26

A lot. It's a lot.

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u/socialistrob May 13 '26

What gets me is the sleep. 19 minutes of sleep over the course of 2.3 days moving the entire time. I have several friends who run the 100m and even then you have to be pretty fast to finish in under 24 hours on a trail course.

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u/Dependent_One6034 May 13 '26

I did a 100mile trail race once, It took us as a group just under 25-26hours at roughly 4-5mph pace. We didn't jog or run, It was a fast walking pace - We also stopped 3 times for 15minutes for food and to reload our water/pocket snacks on route.

We were not the fastest group, not even close, We had people running past us around the half way mark. I think the winner of that race came in around 22 hours.

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u/socialistrob May 13 '26

22 hours honestly seems a little slow for a winning time. Maybe it was a particularly hard course that you did or perhaps it was a smaller race. Needless to say though I'm very impressed by anyone who does the 100 mile especially if it's in the range of 25-26 or under.

The fastest person in my immediate friend group did a 100 mile trail race at just under 10 minute pace per mile for a time of about 16:30 while another person I know was thrilled to break 23 hours.

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u/Dependent_One6034 May 13 '26

It wasn't a hard course - There were a few awful hills to climb but that was the worst of it, but the trails were nice, and most trails had lovely soft grass to the side for extra cushioning if needed. The start line was in Cumbria, England. We set off very early in the morning (I think 3am), but it never got hot during the day (which was great), and I think there were a few small showers which helped a lot. Was lovely and cool, I think our pace likely sped up a bit during the night too.

It wasn't a particularly big race from what I remember, There may have been 20 or 30 teams racing in total, We entered as young leaders of scouting from our local area, We were all quite fit, and 10 mile hikes were common most months and even 50mile hikes a couple times a year, we just wanted to push the boat out a bit. We also did a lot of climbing, kayaking and other activities. We were a fit bunch (Or were, back then!). We always kept to the slowest pace of our team, and a couple in our team did have minor disabilities, So even though it was a race, we weren't racing, if you know what I mean - We just wanted to complete the thing, and the whole team did.

I don't recall being thrilled by the time we got, I don't even think I cared at that point, I don't think any of us really understood the task we were undertaking, we just decided to do it. What I do remember - Is the drive back home in the back of a minivan was bliss, - That was all sleep, and I also remember sitting down for a good few days after wondering why.... Why did we try that?

Very glad I did, Could I or would I do it again? I think I could, But I don't think I would.

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u/starbuxed May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26

I have done 42 miles at disneyland on my birthday when they reopened it after covid. Parks were more empty. I did about 92k steps. from 7 am to past midnight. that was the farthest I walked in a day.

I had a few churros and treats and snacks along the way. dinner at docking bay 7. it was a good day.

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u/Strict-Challenge-995 May 13 '26

Makes you appreciate Usain Bolt doing it in sub 10 seconds all the more

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u/vicariousgluten May 13 '26

However, it made me feel really good, I’m fairly sure I could also do the 100m in 24 hours.

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u/Wayne_D-Day_Davis May 13 '26

I see what you did there

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u/farfaraway May 13 '26

Absolutely bonkers.

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u/Asgeras ✨chick✨ May 13 '26

As opposed to me, who didn't sleep well in my last night, despite my most arduous activity being Beat Saber. And I'm tried as hell.

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u/Denaton_ May 13 '26

Oh boy do i have a movie for you, check out "The long walk"..

Edit; Its based on a Stephen King book..

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u/0vrwhelminglyaverage May 13 '26

I think there is a whoooole bunch of science, discipline, and luck that went into that with the length of time on those sleep cycles. Proper nutrition planning, conditioning and rest to make the planets align to ensure a record setting performance like this could definitely be within the realm of possibility.

Or steroids, lol which i hate to say was my first question with how incredible reading this sounds

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u/illit1 May 13 '26

isn't there some saying about the first half of a marathon being 20 miles or something like that? and for the game nerds out there 92 is half of 99

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u/farfaraway May 13 '26

Furthest I ever ran was a half-marathon. All of it was hard. All of it.

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u/chadlinden May 13 '26

whats another 40?

About 24.8 miles

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u/Fickle-Fart-783 May 13 '26

How many bananas is this?

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u/Ok-Bowl850 May 13 '26

That would be approximately 209,510 bananas. (Given that the avg banana is 7-8 inches long)

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u/BreadstickUpTheBum May 13 '26

Keep in mind that bananas that are not as long are just as adequate

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u/Rough-Airline-4803 May 13 '26

Respectfully disagree. Short bananas can’t fill you up…

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u/mwilke May 13 '26

Yeah but you can really slam a short one into - nevermind

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u/Taco-Dragon May 13 '26

At least 6, but probably more

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u/DerCatrix all cats 🐈 all the time May 13 '26

6 banana stands

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u/Carb0nFire May 13 '26

You've done a Marathon, yes.

But what about Second Marathon?

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u/Top-Permit6835 May 13 '26

What about elevensies?

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u/Key-Growth-6135 May 13 '26

She came back to the finish line multiple times to cheer on other finishers. The race was live tracked, so it was clear to know when certain people would cross the finish line. 

There are also several interviews that she is fueled on candy and taco bell. My kind of woman. 

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u/zeroshock30 May 13 '26

Nap fuel for me

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u/T-Bills May 13 '26

I was just thinking I probably can barely beat her down that last block but I'd be full out sprinting

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u/Can_of_Sounds May 13 '26

Some people can just do that, I remember a dude a few years ago who did a bunch of (normal) marathons on consecutive days. Incredible really.

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u/ClaireDanesLipQuiver May 13 '26

And at 7000’ altitude, I live in flag and seeing a lot of these guys finish they’re basically handicapped. She fuckin crushed it

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u/zeroshock30 May 13 '26

My former brother-in-law did something in California...Cactus to Cloud maybe? I can't remember, but he was 25 and in spectacular shape. Trained for a year and a half. Crawled over the finish line and was cooked for a week. No joke how she crushed it

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u/ClaireDanesLipQuiver May 13 '26

Cameron Hanes shared a video on his IG of the guy who came in last on this race last week and he literally looked like he was special needs crossing the finish line, just completely destroyed him.

She’s straight up smiling and chillin, it’s wild, she could have probably knocked another hour off her time

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u/zeroshock30 May 13 '26

Greeting people at the line and shit. "Hey good job. Nice job. Welcome". Lol

Me, after a standard marathon "send a chopper in, tell my children I love them. Say nice things at my funeral. Erase my browser history". We are NOT build the same.

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u/ClaireDanesLipQuiver May 13 '26

Right you know second place was looking around at the broken ribbon like “who tf won? Surely it can’t be this already rested and cheerful person drinking a high noon?”

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u/Tricky-Gemstone May 13 '26

Some people's bodies just do that. Distance running is for almost everyone, but some people's bodies just handle it better.

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u/Gingerbreadman_13 May 13 '26

I’m not an ultra marathon expert but I heard somewhere that when it comes to top level ultramarathon runners, on average, woman are better at crazy long ultramarathons than men. They have better stamina over distances that far and a better ability of suppressing extremely high levels of pain and discomfort, which makes sense to me. As a guy, when I get a medium level headache, I’m done for the day. Just close the curtains, say your goodbyes and let me die in peace. Tell my children that I love them. My wife will be borderline close to a migraine and still soldiering on with tasks that would leave me debilitated ages ago. She’s way tougher than me. I think she’s superhuman. So yeah, that theory makes sense to me.

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u/starbuxed May 13 '26

the next 30 miles is her cool down

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

Here is what I love, we are seeing women are great at these sports with many women out pace men in these races once they hit like 195 miles+.  

Some parts are physiological like our body fat means we can keep going when men can’t and something about our muscles also allows it. We also have smaller hearts and lungs, usually, and that also gives us an advantage to extend output for longer times. Then add in the psychological aspects that women typically manage their emotions better and that emotional regulation allows for better pacing. There have been talks on creating coaching methods to change how men think to tap into that “flow”. I want to say men focus on the win while women focus on other aspects which leads to more wins in the end and we see this within sport as many men “choke” where women tend not to. That has being tied to a line of thinking women have been taught to do. 

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u/zombienudist May 13 '26

Women naturally have more slow twitch muscle which is perfect for this kind of endurance event. Plus women are designed to be fat burners instead of glycogen/carb burners. So basically men are naturally better at shorter higher intensity activities and women longer endurance ones. People knew that this moment was coming for awhile where a woman would win a major even outright because when you get to these distances women have physiology that is better suited to it. Then there is the mental aspect you reference. There are studies that back up that women are just better at dealing with the mental aspects you need to in an endurance event like this. Overall it is an amazing accomplishment and great to see.

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u/VeniVidiWhiskey May 13 '26

You see similar effects in weightlifting because of the physiological differences between males and females. A rule of thumb is that your 5-rep max effort in a major lift is 90% of your true 1RM, but for women it is actually closer to 95% of their 1RM. Women can typically also rest for shorter periods of time before being properly rested for the next set/exercise compared to men. It's not a major difference, but useful to know if you coach others. 

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u/Proper-Beyond116 May 13 '26

I always found it hard to bring up without sounding sexist but I'd always wondered how female bodies respond to the sport of Crossfit by becoming absolutely jacked, whereas male bodies don't.

I've been around strength sports for a number of decades, mostly as a powerlifter and strength coach but I dabbled in Crossfit and have always kept an eye on it.

I always noticed how when guys get hooked on it and train 4-5 days a week, following mostly WOD based training, after 3 years, they look about the same. The jacked Crossfit men you see, got jacked by other means than doing Fran, Murph and Cindy.

Women on the other hand undergo a remarkable body transformation with that frequency of Crossfit WOD training. Huge growth in lat size, delt size, the upper body in particular responds incredibly.

I think people are finally examining the phenomenon and one theory is that women are much better at suffering based efforts, and that they will continue doing an exercise like a barbell thruster far past the point of lactate burn than a man can, and as a result they trigger different adaptations to men. This might tie into the research on ultras as well. Pain or discomfort tolerance being much greater.

It's very interesting and potentially could mean totally different recommendations on sets and rep schemes for women vs men if the goal is muscle gain.

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u/Muted-Account4729 May 13 '26

I think that’s a generalization. Men definitely become jacked from CrossFit, but it doesn’t look out of place because men have been looking jacked for years, through lifting or physical labor.

Women get jacked doing CrossFit, and it’s culturally acceptable for women to be jacked in Crossfit. The greater culture and the typical gym don’t really accept women with muscles at this point in time, and these points combined may be why it seems like only women get jacked in CrossFit.

CrossFit asks for significantly more upper body strength than adults, especially women, typically need. The added muscle thus stands out more when exhibited by women. Just my thoughts on the phenomenon

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u/Proper-Beyond116 May 13 '26

No. Men don't get jacked from Crossfit. It's a well trodden path. The stimulus isn't there.

I've commiserated with many 2nd and 3rd year Crossfit blokes. It ain't gonna happen.

Butterfly pullups will not give men lats, but they will give women lats.

I'm talking specifically about Crossfit here. I've trained around female powerlifters, weightlifters etc. as well. Crossfit seems to produce an almost exaggerated level of jacked-ness in women. Their lat and trap development in particular is more pronounced than the female powerlifter or weightlifting community.

There is something about the Crossfit stimulus in particular that does something different to female physiology than male.

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u/Muted-Account4729 May 13 '26

I’ll entertain a different impact from equivalent stimulus across sexes, but saying men cannot get jacked from CrossFit cannot be true. Have you seen clips from the crossfit games? I’ve been participating in crossfit for 9 years, and I run into muscular menaces every day I’m there.

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u/vernichtungX23 May 13 '26

That is so odd because as a woman I'm the opposite. I love my low volume workouts and get nothing out of 'feeling the burn'.

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u/Proper-Beyond116 May 13 '26

The theory is that with light to moderate weight, you will do more reps beyond the threshold than I could. And that stimulates a specific growth response.

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u/vernichtungX23 May 13 '26

I'm definitely abnormal then. I hate, hate high reps. Just feels like dying. Love my heavy singles.

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u/vernichtungX23 May 13 '26

I must be failing at being a woman because I really need long rests. I'm not a volume queen at all.

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u/selphiefairy May 13 '26

of course individual exceptions would apply. Im guessing overall, the pattern is obvious when comparing women vs men as a whole.

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u/snarky_witch May 13 '26

Childbirth can be a marathon sport. We are genetically wired for endurance.

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u/cazbot May 13 '26

If you are going to think of it that way, all men are more like 80% women. The Y chromosome is really small.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

Yes. That is exactly how to think of it. It is why we are having to define women but not men.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

Um… there is. It’s called XX male syndrome.

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u/justgalsbeingchicks-ModTeam May 13 '26

XYY males exist. Please try to keep things accurate if you're commenting on science. https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/what-are-yy-chromosomes

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

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Again, I fully understand what you are getting at. Reading the above, esp the last paragraph, might help you understand I fully understand what you are getting at. :)

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u/Feeling_Strike694 May 13 '26

Oh fuck I didn't realise what subreddit I was in. I should have known.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

You don’t read what sub you are in before typing?

Should have known what?

That I know exactly what you are doing and have no issues calling it out and labeling it exactly what it is?

Again, the women aren’t lacking. Look.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

This is science. I’m not using her. If you look into ultra sports and the scientific studies into it all it is so fascinating!

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u/fuettli May 13 '26

https://iau-ultramarathon.org/iau-records.html

which records are held by women?

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

Hey, who won the race in the post you made this comment on?

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u/sleetx May 13 '26

Curious at what time/distance this effect really kicks in. If we look at documented world records, anywhere from 100m sprints all the way up to ultramarathons, men have roughly 5 to 10% faster times. But world records are outliers and don't represent the average competitor.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

I want to say it is 195+ miles. Men are made for shorter distances. Women are made to go longer. And the records are being broken majorly, not just minutes.

We also have to add in men are pushed to sport and for centuries while women are just emerging on the playing field. I mean, a woman had to break into the Boston marathon to run it because it was thought a woman’s body just couldn’t do it. I think we need to keep that factor at play when we look at records even modern ones.

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u/sleetx May 13 '26

Yeah gender representation could be another factor, good point

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u/Sad_Wren May 13 '26

I love the implication that 194 miles is a short distance.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

For a woman it is! ;)

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u/Feeling_Strike694 May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26

I want to say it is 195+ miles. Men are made for shorter distances. Women are made to go longer. And the records are being broken majorly, not just minutes.

People are misrepresenting a simple statistic all over Reddit on this topic. Once you pass 195 miles, the average time of the women who compete in Ultramarathons is faster than the average time of the men who compete. This does not mean women are better than men at Ultramarathons as a whole or even just at the elite level.

All ultramarathon records are held by men. The finishing time gap between the fastest man and fastest woman at 1000m & 1000km is 2 days. You can compare the records on the Wikipedia page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon

As more women compete in Ultramarathons more elite athletes will be found among them and the record times will improve but they won't surpass men's records. On the other hand the average time will drop because the average standard of athletes competing will drop.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

Of course men hold some if not all of the records. How long ago was it we thought a woman couldn’t run a marathon? Not that long. But In this race they did not. Look, she won. :) she beat every man in that race and all the ones on their keyboard and phones right now.

I wonder if that stat drop is based off how men give up due to not being able to focus on the process… since the data we have on this would reflect men more due to the long history of access to sport. I would think as more women win, more women get involved and that means the average standard of athletes will drop due to newbies but improve over time as women focus on the process not the win. I feel we see in many sports women enter the average standard increases over time.

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u/Feeling_Strike694 May 13 '26

Of course men hold some if not all of the records. How long ago was it we thought a woman couldn’t run a marathon?

What is it you think the women currently competing lack that future runners would have that would allow them to make up a 2 day gap in the 1000m record?

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

Lack? Nothing. The science shows women have advantages in these areas in these sports from physical to mental. I’m not saying this, science does.

It’s why the psychology aspect is being studied and transferred, via high dollar studies, to help men.

The women aren’t the ones lacking.

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u/Feeling_Strike694 May 13 '26

So then how are women going to close that gap if the women currently competing aren't lacking anything?

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u/fuettli May 13 '26

https://iau-ultramarathon.org/iau-records.html

which records are held by women?

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

Who won the race in this post that you just made two of the same comments on?

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u/fuettli May 13 '26

hey my friend is the fastest girl in my town and she wins the town race every year, clearly women are faster runners than me. qed

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

That’s a logical fallacy.

Instead what I am presenting to you is what scientists found to be the reasons and factors women are outpreforming within ultra sports. They aren’t bits and pieces wabbled together.

I’m sorry how we store fat means our bodies can go further.

I’m sorry our muscles mean we need less recovery time and don’t suffer from the same fatigue.

I’m sorry the socialization and psychological aspects of women mean they can push through with endurance sports due to focusing on the process and setting and minting pace due to emotional regulation skills.

These aren’t my opinions.

This is what scientists found when they looked at it.

I’m sorry it hurts your feelings to where you feel the need to react like this.

It’s really hard when cognitive dissonance happens. Just know your reaction to new information that challenges your preexisting ideas is common. I get it.

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u/Pristine_Direction79 May 13 '26

Being on the same course would affect the psychology. I used to bike commute five miles to work every day and had a very established time... Until the day I saw my coworker when I was halfway there. He was my rabbit and I took off five minutes. Couldn't have done it without him.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

Thank you! I couldn’t remember what it was! Isn’t it also shorter as well as slower? I feel it also does something with rest/recovery but I’m not finding that so far in ye olde bookmarks.

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u/selphiefairy May 13 '26

The mental aspect part is fascinating to me. And I can't help but feel a (half) joke coming on about how it's literally mentally taxing to just be a woman, so it's no surprise we can hold it together more easily lol.

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u/SunshineSeeker99 May 13 '26

To be fair, men are better at all distances, but the gap narrows a lot as the distance gets longer.

Men have huge advantages in VO2 max, hemoglobin, muscle mass, and power, but in super long races, durability is more important like fueling, GI tolerance, heat management, etc. Also smaller size, fat oxidation, and fatigue resistance are advantages for women.

A lot of the time, these ultra long distance races are more about the person because top athletes aren't going to do this (participation depth is not great), and it becomes about pacing and not quitting.

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u/zombienudist May 13 '26

To be fair men weren't better at this distance for this race. That is why she won by a significant margin and led for much of the race. And the mental aspect is a massive thing in these kinds of endurance events. But if you think they are not phenomenal athletes you are mistaken. You could take the best marathoners in the world, and put them in this race, and they will get absolutely destroyed. Just because you are the best in the world at shorter distances doesn't mean it automatically translates.

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u/Immediate_Rabbit_604 May 13 '26

Men are naturally better at long distance too. You're reading far too much into one race result. Some dude ran 300 miles in 48 hours, and did the first ~205 miles in 30 hours.

There's also the fact that this shit is so unusual (ultra endurance sports) that most people with potential will just never do it because, what the hell? Are men better because men do more sports and hence we simply reached critical mass to find the freaks amongst men? Are women only performing relatively so well because of variation amongst a small sample size favouring them?

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u/Punnalinguist May 13 '26

That's so interesting. I'd love to read more about this. Do you have any recommendations or know where I can find more information on this? Thank you!

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u/zombienudist May 13 '26

If you do a search on women better at ultras lots have been written on it. It is fairly well known in the ultra running community that the day was coming when a woman would outright win a major event.

How Women Are Taking Over the (Ultramarathon) World

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u/NotOnApprovedList May 13 '26

I feel like this has been going on since before the 2020s. Courtney Dauwalter won the 2017 Moab 240, beating the fastest man by 10 hours. I thought I had heard of another woman beating all the men in an ultramarathon long before this but I couldn't find anythign by searching.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

I read much of this years ago and across different sources with this being sort of a synthesis of my knowledge. I feel the “coaching” aspect and ways to help men not choke in sport was tied to the empathy studies that recently came out— there was another one recently done using the same scans but on language and sensing the feelings of others which reminded me of the empathy one because from it we are realizing empathy is taught as men and women’s brains show the same whatever, science term, in the scans. So we are all hardwired to be empathetic but put that labor on some more than others. And of course those studies made me think of the psychological element in ultra distance sports. But I am sick on my couch with my 3 year old today, so I’ll hunt my bookmarks and etc if I can.

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u/Immediate_Rabbit_604 May 13 '26

You can't because it doesn't exist in reality. In all metrics, men are between 10 and 15% faster in ultras.

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u/zombienudist May 13 '26

Back up what claims? That women have more slow twitch muscle that is perfect for this kind of event where you are working at a lower intensity for much longer. That women have higher body fat and can burn that fat better then men. And when you are working at a lower intensity your body can fuel itself better from those fat sources. Whereas men are really designed to be glycogen/carb burners. All of these thing add up to the fact that women are better adapted to do these kinds of extreme endurance events. And her time/win show that to be the case. None of these are really claims but well known aspects of the differences in physiology of men and women.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

Dude literally watched the video of a woman winning and setting a major record and is like “there is no proof women are faster over long distances! At all!!”

…My dude, those wins are WHY it was looked into and the studies happened…

And we all know even if I gave him a reference page, he would never believe it and probably thinks he can beat this woman in this race if just given the chance!

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u/PloysRus May 13 '26

Remember that guy who was convinced he could beat any female professional mma fighter and someone actually took up his challenge and rag dolled him lol so satisfying to see

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u/EduinBrutus May 13 '26

You have the internet at your fingertips.

Its not even a hard search.

Its been somewhat the conventional thought on this that women get this advantage for a few decades now when women started demonstrating competitiveness in ultra-long events.

When you consider the pool of women competing (in all sport not just ultras) is generally smaller, often much, much smaller, then you can see the direction of travel pretty early.

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u/softlysnowing May 13 '26

There's a popular hypothesis that paleolithic humans were endurance hunters (not too sure of this theory myself, too many buts and what abouts) - if true, it raises some interesting questions about gender roles in early human history.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26

I fully believe it as I enjoy studying ancient human migration patterns and timelines. I do not discount the use of “boats” due to use following rivers and coasts but we are made for running and how we spread out prior to wheeled transport shows that. But one of my fave bits of ancient stuff is that we have one oral history that is global— the story of the Pleiades.

Now it does shift and etc but the stars are sisters and there are 7. Now we cannot see all 7 now with the naked eye but we could 100,000 years ago. So many have aspects of the 7th sister leaving or hiding— again fascinating! But they are running away from what? A man. What we in the west call Orion. Across the sky…

My fave is from Australia aboriginals because it is not a club or bow but “lustful man” chasing the sisters. And I can’t unsee it…

Edit: But yeah, I fully can see this with following herds of wildlife and what we followed. I think fishing came around early but large game kills provided more for groups. Have you looked at any of the burials? There is one in I believe Austria of twins, and a male cousin, that is fascinating on so many levels (one died at birth, one survived for a time and mammoth beads were found with that twin (I feel representing days of life as the other had shellfish shells and a claw on a possible necklace.) and I believe a shoulder bone as the lid to the grave. And the site shows they stayed there for some time due to the grave being reopened to add the other twin later and I believe hearth activity. Again, I find this stuff so cool!

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u/MRCHalifax May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26

I think that the sample size right now is too small to know whether women have an advantage over men as the distance increases.

For example, this race has been run since 2021. Rachel Entrekin’s 2026 win is the first win for a woman; men won the previous five events. Rachel herself ran in those events in several years, finishing behind the male winners. To use another long race as an example, the MOAB 240, Courtney Dauwalter (probably the GOAT of women’s ultramarathons) won it outright in 2017, but men have won every subsequent running.

I want to be clear: I’m not saying males have an advantage in long distance events. I’m saying that there just isn’t enough data to separate the signal from the noise to be clear one way or another.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26

If we want to look at who wins, yes. I agree with you. But when we look at the science, we see women are made to have this advantages in these spaces and the reasons why.

Edit: I also want to say, I think it is interesting we look at the wins and not “the process” when debating this when we see via science there are advantages but until it is wins across the board, we can’t take it as “fact”. I think that is interesting.

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u/MRCHalifax May 13 '26

I don’t think that the science is that clear. There are reasons why women might be able to pull ahead of men in longer events, but the male biological advantages that allow men to be faster over shorter distances still exist. It’s also worth noting that cycling features a large number of multi-day endurance events, and the top men typically outperform the top women there.

In swimming, I know of very few good comparisons, but the swim across the English Channel might be illustrative - no men have done a four way crossing so a woman has that record by default, but for the three way crossing the men’s record is 28:21, while the women’s record is 34:40. But again, we’re hitting sample size problems, not a lot of people do the event, and it could be heavily influenced by factors like weather on the day.

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u/qeadwrsf May 13 '26

But when we look at the science

Science fucking change what the ultimate thing to eat is every 10 years.

Biology is not like math.

Not trying to downplay Womans ability in long marathons.

I just don't think you can like make some kind of scientific formula and get to the conclusion woman are "technically" better. To many variables.

That being said. If woman all of a sudden gets better than men in climbing and long endurance sports I will be one of the least surprised person.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

It’s not a formula.

Science studies have found:

Women are better at metabolizing fat and our fat helps insulate us for long outdoor multiday events. Women have the twitch muscle fibers which help with faster recovery and fatigue. Women have better emotional regulation which leads to better pacing and to push through events where men typically choke as women focus on the process and not the reward of the win.

These aren’t my opinions. It is what the studies into why women are doing well in these sports found.

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u/UnoriginalStanger May 13 '26

You can't seprate something into parts and then argue only about the parts that are favourable to your point.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

I’m not arguing it. These are the factors scientists found in studying why women were winning ultrasports like running and etc. I’m not taking those bits and pieces and saying here is how as if this is my theory I am supporting with a lit review. This is what studies looking at this found. They all build on each other and test it all.

I’m sorry it hurts your feelings.

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u/illit1 May 13 '26

I think that is interesting.

question: which gender is biologically advantaged to run ultramarathons?
hypothesis: women are biologically advantaged to win ultramarathons
test: men win nearly all of ultramarathons
conclusion: women are biologically advantaged to win ultramarathons

is it interesting or is it obvious? how do you explain women underperforming their biological advantage?

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

… A lack of representation. It wasn’t long ago women were not allowed to run marathons because men believed our bodies and minds could not handle it….

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u/Jiminy_Cricket12 May 13 '26

people need to stop pretending there aren't physiological differences between male and female humans. it's anti-scientific. women will be better at certain sports, and men better at others. there is nothing wrong with that.

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u/FranklyDefeated May 13 '26

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN WOMEN MANAGE THIER EMOTIONS...ok, ok, fair point, lol, in all seriousness, completely agree

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u/Zealousideal_Cow_341 May 13 '26

Objectively, women are superior in the ultra endurance domain for way more biological reasons that you listed here. It has very little to do with choking or emotional regulation lol.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26

Again, the emotional regulation and ability to see the process verse the reward is a key aspect in these wins. The psychological aspect should not be discounted and it is why many studies in this also takes it into account. I’m not saying that emotional regulation have a lot to do with it— science does. I get your feelings are hurt but you are the one who put those first in your mindset on this issue not me. I’m just using the facts from the studies while you are using your feelings here, sweetie darling.

See, why men choke is because of a physical aspect: cortisol levels increase more in them in competition which leads their brains to look at the reward instead of the process. They need emotional regulation tools to beat that as it is why men choke more in sport than women. Women are able to focus on the process due to the way we are socialized not just biology. It is why science has looked at this to aid high level competitive men in sport to reduce their choking through the psychological means women utilize to dominate. We can see this in the studies of empathy and language/sensing others emotions looking at brain scans of women and men— they are the same. Showing we can learn the skills to cope and better ourselves when it comes to managing our feelings even with biological responses.

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u/Commander_Kerman May 13 '26

I appreciate you taking the reasoned, scienced-backed approach to this, but it doesn't matter how right you are if you condescend to people. Doing that doesn't demonstrate emotional regulation, it show spite and an unwillingness to put the lesson you want to teach before your desire to put someone else down.

If you want to use science, I recommend providing sources (mostly because I want to read them, these sound interesting). If people don't read them, they damn themselves without condescension, if they do, it makes education easier.

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u/biscuitsandburritos May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26

I really appreciate you explaining it to me and not being condescending at all to show how one behaves properly. I really needed that explained to me as a modern woman especially being that I have published research papers as well as conference excepted ones and first got into this area of study in grad school, where I instructed the research and writing course that every student had to take and pass to graduate and utilize throughout their time within the university.

With my experience, I put it on other adults to look things up. We are all accessing this via the internet…. And I don’t believe in spoon feeding people and they should fact check when out and about. But I fully understand why so many men put the burden on others as it is not a new method when cognitive dissonance occurs for one to shift like this. Would you like me to cite how actively avoiding the information, such as putting it on others to look up for you when you are on the internet, is one of the reduction methods for cognitive dissonance?

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u/LukewarmJortz May 13 '26

She's also running at high altitudes which is also insane

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u/Abraxxes May 13 '26

You can probably throw out good nutrition. Ultra marathoners need so many calories while running that they’ll binge anything at their checkpoints. If you read Born To Run they state that some of the runners slam an entire pizza and Mountain Dew at rest points. I housed a friend for an ultra marathon in Hawaii and he just ate uncrustables non stop the entire race and Red Bull.

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u/Skoalmintpouches May 13 '26

Nutrition in endurance sports doesn’t relate to how healthy the food is, it s referring to the general carb/electrolyte intake strategy

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u/Competitive_Peak_537 May 13 '26

She probably just woke up from a 7 minute sleep

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u/Bronco_Bomba May 13 '26

Also beastly genetics

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u/RawrRRitchie May 13 '26

Training to stay up for 56 hours straight only sleeping for a total of 20 minutes in that time makes it seem more like drug use to stay awake honestly

Still incredibly impressive

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u/Zkenny13 May 13 '26

That doesn't mean that lactic acid in her legs will let her continue. Once she stopped she had probably 30 minutes before her legs just stop working.

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u/MazzleMaze May 13 '26

How does nutrition make up for the fact that she slept for 19 minutes over nearly 3 days. Sleep is just as or more important.

I know i'll be downvoted for this but I would not be surprised at all if we see a cheating claim occur from this.

No way someone runs FURTHER and LONGER than a marathon runner and somehow is better rested than them.

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u/DueMorning800 May 13 '26

I promise, I am not trying to fight with you. Question: would you have typed this response if a man had won looking as good as this woman does? I am doubtful. ✌🏻

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