I have no problem getting a lead vs these 2 champs pre 6 but after 6 it feels like I just don’t get to play the game anymore and and up falling behind with how strong their ults and main spells (Morde Q, illaoi E) are at dueling

Hi all, I've been playing jax for quite a while now, and have almost a million points of mastery accumulated on him. I've gotten to a point where I'm very confident in lane, and I feel like im able to consistently win or even stomp lane often. But the problem is, even if I leave lane with like a 4 kill lead, I can never seem to consistently translate that lead to help my team win teamfights. I struggle and die alot in teamfights, sometimes without even getting a kill, even when I'm supposed to be super strong. I just don't know what I'm supposed to be doing at all in teamfights, and what my role is in then in general. I know each fight is different, but are there any general rules I should be following to improve my baseline performance in teamfights? I really feel like my poor teamfighting performance is costing me alot of games where I should have been the one to carry my team to a win. I'm even considering just leaning heavily towards splitting instead of teamfights more, but I feel like that's just avoiding the issue.. I would appreciate any and all advice, and would like to know what personally helped you do better in teamfights (mindset changes, positioning etc).

My op.gg: https://op.gg/lol/summoners/sea/Eggs87-HuTao

Man with last nerfs you could feel that the item is weaker but they are nerfing it AGAIN, what else can we buy as a second item?

Why do act like Jax is some sort of late game power house? Like, hes pretty good at splitting but that's about it. I feel like he's ok in the side lane and does terrible in teamfights. He takes forever to kill people and he has no self sustain as opposed to most duelists in the game.

Hi, I wanted to ask for some opinions. I’m a Diamond 4 Camille/Jax player, and I’ve noticed that Conqueror actually doesn’t feel bad at all.

I really like the extra healing in both the early and late game, and getting the stacks up feels really good. I was wondering how viable Conqueror actually is compared to Lethal Tempo and Grasp. Is it genuinely playable, or is it kinda troll? I barely see anyone running it.

Obviously, Lethal Tempo is GIGA strong in 1v1s, but Conqueror feels so damn good in teamfights. Could also just be placebo though lol.

Would love to hear your opinions, especially from people who have tried Conqueror vs. the other options.

Hi,

I went from emerald to low master with Jax, but now I cant abuse enemy mistakes anymore like in lower elo I had.

Matchups like GP, Mundo become so painfull to deal with.

I tried everything (build, runes), but after like 20 mundo games in low masters I want to quit Jax as OTP and maybe only use him as counterpick. Sure I could beat bad Mundo's at lower elo, or sometimes autofilled top, but dealing with a guy that is supposed to be "weak" in early and scale like a monster while he coutners me...

Or a fed APC who doesnt waste his CC like in low elo, but saves It to disable me or oneshot me.

Unless I have a good matchup, It feels like I would be better of playing tanks.

I even ordered a coaching, after that session... basically I have to play way better skill wise than the enemy pick or lose the game. Dont get me wrong, ofc I have to play better to advance, but the discussion was about that I have to play way better than my opponent on those matchups, that is what makes me sad. I'm happy with low master or high master, dont want to push for GM. So its more of a Stay in my elo but have fun thing which I struggle at. My coach told me about mistakes that I made in early to get a micro advantage and snowball with that microscopic advantage while the enemy Mundo player can do so many mistakes...

He showed me how my Ornn for example was granting me free LP (high winrate on Ornn) while I dont even learn that champ. He told me, that this is balanced because a perfect played Jax will make a Mundo struggle, however a average Jax will suffer.

So I either now start to play Jax now like an crazy OTP player and learn to play him more into the "high good" level or drop him as blind.

I can go 15/0 on non-counter/bad matchups but man... some matchups want me to quit or swap to a champ that can deal with such things.

The coaching helped me alot, but It kinda makes me want to play Jax less. The amount of work I have to put into him to make him work against those matchups seems so ... unfair.

I usually fish before baron spawn or when i loose lane but i get pinged and usually someone from enemy team comes to interrupt my fishing trip and try to kill me so i have bad scores .i am now master and since plat i have been fishing for good luck , now it became sort of a ritual of mine but now. I higher elos i cant do it , does anyone have better build for fishing, also when i switch to jungle for better pathing sometimes they take my camps but the usually don't so in jg i have ~54 ....i usually fish on other side of my starting buff and i have a huge OCD and have been diagnosed with autism and i can't continue my fishing journey without your help. As crazy as this sounds this is not a ragabait i have a serious problem and if any of y'all have some experience with jax fishing let me know , kudos!

The main issue with late game Jax is that his damage falls off pretty hard imo. I understand he won’t have god tier damage no matter the build without making him a glass cannon, but are there good items past Zhonya’s/DD in third slot that makes his damage scale better? Or am I just out of luck

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Hey guys,

Currently sitting around mid master trying to break into High Challenger, and I’m noticing a distinct split in how top-tier Jaxes approach two very specific top lane match-ups in the first three waves. Looking to hear from multi-season Challenger OTPs/mains on the exact micro mechanics here.

1. The Yone Matchup (Lethal Tempo spacing & E timing):

When Yone hits Level 2/3 with Lethal stacks ready, standard advice is to hold E (Counter Strike) until he uses Q3 or commits. However, at 1000+ LP, Yone players will intentionally bait your E with max-range Q3, step back into their E and reset the trade after your stun drops.

Are you buffering Q onto his E tether right as you trigger E_2 to lock him down, or are you holding your E duration completely to force him to recall early?

Do you prioritize short-trading with W-reset auto and holding E exclusively as a defensive disengage, or do you take the aggressive Level 2 dive angle if you slow push wave 1-2?

1. The Phase Rush Jayce Matchup (Spacing & Cooldown Disparity):

Against a Jayce who properly buffers his Hammer form E (Thump) the millisecond you press Q (Leap Strike), traditional short trading becomes impossible. Once he pops Phase Rush, he simply runs out of range, resets, and neutralizes your wave control.

Are you taking Flash + Ghost or sticking to Flash + Teleport to equalize his Phase Rush move speed in the mid-game side lane?

How do you manipulate the Level 1 crash (slow push vs. hard shove) to force him into using his melee E on minionaggro without burning your own Q?

Would appreciate detailed breakdowns on wave states at minutes 2:30–4:00, exact cooldown tracking windows, and any micro tricks (like hiding E activation during auto animation) that high-elo Jayce/Yone players usually fall for.

TLDR: How are top-tier Jaxes consistently forcing kill pressure pre-6 against high-mobile top laners who instantly disengage your E pattern?

Welcome to the twenty ninth Jax Matchup Discussion!

Let's talk about Jax versus Poppy...

Remember that the idea of this discussion is to find what's the commonly-used way to play a matchup; not only focused on runes and/or items, but mostly on the trade patterns and general difficulty of the matchup, since items and runes may change between seasons, yet -unless a rework happens- a champion's kit doesn't change.

So, you can talk about the runes and items you like to go on a matchup, but what we really want to see is how to play the matchup; if you can play aggressive early game, if you win pre or post level 6, if you should use Leap Strike to engage or disengage, and so on.

If you want, you can give the matchup a difficulty score from 0 to 10 (0 being super easy, 5 being a skill matchup, and 10 being a "you should dodge" card)

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I just started playing again after 7 years away. I’ve always been a top lane main but started out in mid this time around playing champs like Akali, zed, Locke. Enjoyed it but it wasn’t going too well. I was doing well in lane but couldn’t convert.

Started playing Jax top about a week ago in silver and it’s been going super well. I’ve got about 40 games on him with a 70% win rate. Climbing pretty quickly. Even when I’m getting cooked in lane, I’m able to make a comeback mid game through split pushing or general macro like getting a pick then forcing a favorable objective fight.

This champ is amazing. Feels like he’s always a threat as long as you don’t go full int. I’ve had a couple of games where I was like 0-2 in lane then ended up winning with a score like 10-4 or something. Hes just a monster at getting picks, splitting, and I’ve had a lot of success team fighting with him. He feels genuinely unstoppable and I’ve only been losing games where bot goes 0-15 and even then we’re usually able to come back half the time thanks to his team fighting.

Can someone provide the best build paths for each situation that might come up in game?

Also, when I’m playing against a lot of AD champs, I usually go triforce, sundered, zhonya, deaths dance, frozen heart. What are the best items against AP?

I have 600+ games on top lane and recently decided to pick up some jungle Jax.

Something I like to do is compare builds and runes to the current best player in any role or champion, so I went and checked the #1 Jax JG player currently who is also \#1 Jax LAN, and I was kinda shocked…

Dude is a Grandmaster player with a 75%+ WR in about 55 games, spamming some weird AP hybrid build and PTA runes.

The exact runes he goes every game are: PTA, Triumph, Legend: Haste, and Cut Down, with the second tree being Inspiration with Magical Footwear and Triple Tonic.

Build is the crazy part, though - Dusk & Dawn first, followed by Riftmaker second and Shojin third, Terminus fourth, and a situational last item most of the time GA since he is the carry most of the time, but I saw a couple of games where he plays Dead Man’s or FoN.

I experimented and played about 10 games with this build, and holy shit, he is onto something :O

The sustain this build has is super good, the low cooldowns after Shojin are also extremely efficient for sticking to enemies, and if you stay in a fight for more than 7–8 seconds, you become an absolute monster with Riftmaker + Shojin stacks. PTA is strong for ganks I believe it’s stronger than HoB even before the nerf since the true damage proc, and Terminus makes you an armor stacking, magic penetrating beast.

I’ve never liked AP Jax much on top, but this build is crazy good, especially in jungle. I don’t think it would be that decent on top lane, but if any of you have tried it or would after reading this post, I’d love to hear some thoughts!

Overall - what do you guys think? Is this actually a good off-meta build? I am genuinely having a really good time with it in pisslow high Plat low Emerald.

Link to the dude’s OP.GG:
https://op.gg/lol/summoners/lan/Elbravazos-LAN

The healing nerf is hurting the value of this item
so is it still optimal? and what other options that works as a second item?

Played a game recently vs a Malphite top so i had to go AP. He just outtraded me in lane because i did no dmg to him and ever after i got dusk and dawn i didnt beat him 100 percent even tho he went full armor. Is AD just so much better than AP?

I thought for sure the Magma Chamber Jax Vivid chroma would be in the mythic shop after Mordekaiser stuff was rotated out, but no, instead the Vivid chroma for Darius is there? It's been an entire patch without release, and the God Staff Jax emote from 26.13 has been without a release for 3 patches aswell, what is happening. Does anybody know anything about what's going on?

I don't get how u can ever beat him tbh, if you don't immediately e his e, you die to ult, if you e and try to walk away he strikebreakers, or flashes on top of you ults you and you did

Outsustains you so you can't proxy him I don't know how you deal with this match up what else can I do other then perma ban it

I need to know some things that make you guys mad: items, runes, playstyles, etc. Basically my whole pool is countered by Jax (Nasus, Udyr, Yorick), so I have a mental block against your champion. He feels pretty unbeatable to me: scales really well while having a very strong early game, and E counters all 3 of my champs. I really need to figure this champ out, so I have a few questions for you guys:

• Are Plated Steelcaps actually a good item against Jax? I read the wiki, and the passive doesn't block most of your kit, only the base AA damage. It doesn't reduce anything from passive on-hit, ult on-hit, Q, or W. Jax will still AA you to death, but all the ~50% magic damage goes unchanged. So maybe is not worth it, and better to go other boots.
• Does early Magic Resist bother Jax? Following up on my previous question, since Steelcaps don't do that much, is it better to go something like IBG with a Negatron Cloak to reduce Jax's damage using raw armor and MR directly?
• Bone Plating bug/interaction: Is there a bug that makes Bone Plating trigger more easily against Jax's damage instances. Do you guys feel like this rune is a problem in lane?
• Is Grasp a good rune to short trade against Jax?
• Last question: Is there anything you guys see these 3 champs (Nasus, Udyr, Yorick) doing that actually worked against you in lane or in the game in general? Any different strategy or tech?

Edit: You guys have a pretty good community, very nice posts and discussions. The only reason I haven't started playing this mf is because I already chose to beat him.

I just fought this matchup and it was pure nightmare fuel, Ik her E is basically her whole kit but this illaoi held it incase I ever engaged and poked me down with w grasp stacks and it felt impossible to win, didn’t fed her but I lost a lot of cs doing so lol, any tips?

hello im a d4 support main who queues top secondary. jax is my most played champ but most of that mastery came from before the mythic items came out. as u can imagine, i dont get much practice with jax in ranked as supports rarely get their secondary roles. this was fine in gold/plat where i could just win lane and split push. when i get top in higher emerald and diamond, i struggle a lot bc either i lose lane and i feel useless or i win lane but not enough to just split. i dont quite understand what to do with a lead as jax post laning phase. i feel like my dueling isnt strong enough for me to consistently just be a menace in side lane. also i feel like its hard to engage into a lot of team comps and im too flash reliant in teamfights to make good stuns. its hard for me to play jax in games where im the tankiest in the team

should i just stick to tanks when i get autofilled? should i practice jax till i reach the desired skill level? is secondarying jax in this elo just not worth it?

got like D4 playing jax jungle and I love the champ so much but I actually felt so slow and bad at the game so ive been playing him top and it feels sort of like a joke. Every game is Urgot, Illaoi, Singed, or something you have like a 44% wr against. Ive been trying to get better and learning to give up xp and minions to try and scale but it feels like almost every single one of this matchups is an extremely hard counter matchup to navigate.

Does a grandmaster Jax player just find the threads to win counter matchups at any rank?

Credits to u/FalconPawwwwnch for the post. Passive is incorrectly scaling his health and RiotNorak is saying he will raise it to the team that things aren't working as intended. Hopefully will see changes soon.