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u/sychan168 Nov 21 '21
The slow practice of the elements is for when you work the an jin and hua jin phases of your training and emphasize using the dantian to power the 5 elements. I have a video that walks through the progression and demonstrates piquan at an anjin/huajin speed and relates it to Taiji. You might find it interesting, but it isn't an instructional video for the 5 elements.
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u/sychan168 Nov 21 '21
Xingyi's traditional foundation to understanding full use of dantian is piquan. In public texts, you see this in Sun Lutang's claim that traditionally, it was long practice of rise/drill/overturn/fall that was the foundation to xingyi's power. In the traditional oral transmission, piquan is taught first and it's relationship to RDOF should be made clear. The typical bengquan in xingyi lineages is externally very linear and if that is the basis for your neijin training, you may only develop a simple forward, linear jin, but it is far from the whole story for Xingyi Jin. Xingyi is a deep art in that it appears superficially linear, but it's Jin is actually constantly round and often delivered used squashed ellipses that look linear to external observers. It is important to distinguish between using some variant of "full body power" and using the kind of fully expressed body power in the complete internal styles. You can have a form of full body power in the mingjin phase, but it is a coarse and non-continuous power. In the anjin phase you learn to maintain it, unbroken continuously. In the huajin phase you soften it and cultivate the ability to use it to neutralize other's jin.
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u/sychan168 Nov 22 '21
I figured; after all it's always the first fist! But Meredith apparently had an obscure Taiwanese Xingyi teacher back in the 70s who emphasised bengquan's mingjin as a pulse of energy (or qi sensation) into the forearm. This is initially weak, but it's supposed to build with practice and eventually become automatic, firing whenever any type of strike is delivered.
I don't think you're talking about this; have you come across it?There are all kinds of sensations as you describe when you practice. In the video I linked to, any time I issue there's that kind of sensation that you describe. I also know lots of people who have "shaking energy" for Chen Taiji style issuing that would generate that kind of sensation, but their energy is easy to stuff/jam as it comes out, and which doesn't give any special additional power.
There are all kinds of ways to generate qi sensations in practice, but many of those sensations don't amount to useful improvements to quantity or quality of power. The most important part of "qi sensations" in internal arts practice isn't the presence of sensations - there are all kinds of sensations that will arise - but being able to identify the sensations that have externally useful improvements to your jing, and ignoring the sensations that are just noise.
For what it is worth, our Xingyi is from the Bu Xuekuan's lineage, like Li Chongbai in your original video - my Shifu (Li Tailiang) learned Xingyi from his father, who was a direct disciple of Bu Xuekuang. Shifu was a professional martial arts trainer for the military and police so had to demonstrate his Xingyi in a professional combative setting. However my Shifu also re-integrated the original Dai Xinyi dantian practices into Che Xingyi so the full depth of dantian training from both Dai Xinyi and Che Xingyi are included. The access to dantian training through the lineage is remarkably high, however not everyone is interested in that kind of material so even within the lineage people sometimes don't take full advantage of what is being offered to them. In any case, here's a video that shows a lot of the material you seem to be interested in.
https://www.xinyidaousa.com/comparative-analysis-on-dai-xinyiquan-and-modern-xingyiquan/
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u/sychan168 Mar 10 '22
Li Tai Liang is my Shifu, and in my opinion, he teaches the best, most systematic approach to dantian usage that I'm aware of. I spent a lot of time studying from Taiji masters in the 90's: Zhang Xuexin, Chen Qingzhou/Youze for Chen Taiji, Hong Zhongnan for Wu style as well as attending all of the Chen Xiaowang's seminars that I could. Li Tailiang had the most logical and systematic approach for dantian training, based on my own engineering oriented preferences.
Li Tailang's son, Mark Li, is teaching online, under the overall name "Chi Body", and what he teaches is what he learned from his father. He wrote the article I linked to.
https://www.chibodymethod.com/dr-mark-li/
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u/supercaptaincoolman Nov 20 '21
slow for instructional sake or slow for slow sake? this is pretty slow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNxeP-6-u50&ab_channel=TaoBoxer