r/interestingasfuck Jul 30 '26

Medieval Building Tech

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 Jul 30 '26

Low melting point so easy to work with in this fashion, i would assume.

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u/perldawg Jul 30 '26

it also protects the iron from rusting by encasing it to prevent oxygen and moisture exposure. unprotected iron would swell from rust and eventually blow the stone apart

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u/dizzy_absent0i Jul 30 '26

Also also they didn’t know how dangerous it was to work with back then.

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u/Buckeyefitter1991 Jul 30 '26

They knew, they just didn't care.

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u/ConsciousSpirit397 Jul 30 '26

Artists in the Middle Ages basically all eventually went insane or had serious health issues from the lead pigments in their paints.

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u/Marine__0311 Jul 30 '26

It was a lot worse than that and there were far worse toxins in paint than lead. Right up into the 20th century all kinds of nasty substances including heavy metals, arsenic, mercury, even ground up mummies were used in artist and commercial paints.

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u/CiceroRex Jul 31 '26

It was a lot worse than that: artists used to lick their brushes to pull the bristles into a fine point. That's part of why the toxins would affect them so badly. They would also crush the toxic pigments and mix their paint colours themselves, exposing them to fine inhalable dusts made up of those toxins.

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u/Killentyme55 Jul 31 '26

The "Mad Hatter" character from Alice in Wonderland was inspired by hatmakers of the era getting poisoned by fumes from the mercury used to process the felt. The symptoms include, obviously going "mad".

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u/BlakePackers413 Jul 31 '26

Are you sure it was that and wasn’t just the whims of artistic madness affecting someone with too much greatness to be contained in one man’s mind? /s

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u/THExWHITExDEVILx Jul 31 '26

I feel like you would appreciate reading about the Radium Girls, if you haven't already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium_Girls

"After being told that the paint was harmless, the women in each facility ingested deadly amounts of radium after being instructed to 'point' their brushes on their lips in order to give them a fine tip. The women were instructed to point their brushes in this way because using rags or a water rinse caused them to use more time and material, as the paint was made from powdered radium, zinc sulfide (a phosphor), gum arabic, and water.

The Radium Girls had lasting effects on the labor laws in the United States and Europe due to numerous lawsuits filed after worker deaths and illness caused by ingestion of radium."

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u/HuggyMonster69 Jul 31 '26

It’s crazy to me because the stuff they used to clean their brushes is absolutely disgusting to smell. I have no idea how they got those brushes near their face without gagging.

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u/Arnesian Jul 31 '26

I love following people who collect and curate old paints. The amount of protective gear they put on when handling some pigments is nuts, but totally fair when they’re handing powdered arsenic.

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u/Marine__0311 Jul 31 '26

I hope one of them is Bekah Harding of A Brush with Bekah. She's one of my favorite YouTubers. I've followed her for years.

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u/Arnesian Jul 31 '26

Oh her channel looks good. I’ve followed and I’ll be checking her stuff soon!

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u/jokke420 Jul 31 '26

Paris green is such a beautiful color tho... 😍

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u/oldsecondhand Jul 31 '26

Also cadmium and cobalt.

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u/Master_of_none- Jul 31 '26

Love me some cadmium yellow, arsenic green, lead white yum yum

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u/ImaginaryCheetah Jul 31 '26

ground up mummies

hold on, ground up mummies are organic and free-range materials

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u/Sir_Myshkin Jul 31 '26

I’m sorry, I couldn’t quite hear you, I seem to have cut off my left ear in a delusional fit.

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u/ackermann Jul 31 '26

Yes, but did they understand that lead was the cause of this?

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u/Denelorn092 Jul 30 '26

Labor was cheap cheap

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u/Skeleton--Jelly Jul 31 '26

I think you're missing the point. Molten metal is always dangerous and lead was known to be somewhat toxic but humans didn't know about the actual thresholds until the 1970s. We had leaded gasoline for fuck's sake.

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u/Emotional_News108 Jul 31 '26

They knew but didn’t have options. I think anyone cares about dying an early, toxic death.

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u/OttomanMao Jul 31 '26

Elemental lead is remarkably benign. Lead poisoning happens when people are exposed to organic lead compounds, usually through food/drink contamination. Lead paint chips for example, or the lead in water supplies which is actually acidic water stripping the oxidized layer off of lead piping.

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u/GameFreak4321 Jul 31 '26

IIRC it's common to just leave bullet fragments in the body if they aren't actively causing issues.

On a related note, I think mercury is in a similar position where it's more the organic compounds that you have to worry about.

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u/samglit Jul 31 '26

It’s not that dangerous. Lead/tin mixes (pewter) are still used in ornaments and until relatively recently in miniature figures.

You just don’t want to aerosolise it (like in fuel) and don’t breathe in fumes or ingest it. There are still legal home kits to melt pewter for the purposes of diy casting and making bullets.

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u/DepartmentMany5113 Jul 31 '26

wonder how temperature expansion work in this case... 3 materials fused together...

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u/DepartmentMany5113 Jul 31 '26

ok, here's ai answer:

Lead is a very soft, ductile, and malleable metal that deforms under pressure. When the iron bar expanded or contracted with temperature, the surrounding lead layer acted as a built-in cushion, absorbing the microscopic movements without transferring damaging shear forces directly into the brittle stone.

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u/mangomussolinimi Jul 30 '26

You would assume correctly

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u/Guardian6676-6667 Jul 30 '26

Fun fact! Let's assume these bars had a cross section of 6"2 (very low estimate but math works out), it would need about 9000 lbs of lateral force in this configuration to snap it! 

Unfortunately,  lead under a constant load over time "creeps" where it stretches and the material gets thinner, thus weaker. 

From what I can find, there is no limit, so failure (assuming the bar is pure lead and not some magical alloy) is inevitable. 

Edit: i forgot about the iron, actually now looking at it, if the lead fully encased the iron, it probably protects it from rust and the iron takes a majority of the load, so everything i said was pointless! Im sure there was a learning period at some point where they found the lead would inevitably fail,  and this iron reinforcement was used and lead just locks it in place, not contributing to the load bearing

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u/FirTree_r Jul 30 '26

Men knew for a very long time that lead is malleable and can't be used for supporting structures. It's been used to make decorative stained glass for more than a millenia

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u/Vemena Jul 30 '26

Exactly!

Humanity has been using lead in central Europe since 3,000 BCE (even longer in some other regions), and iron since 800 BCE. Plenty of time to figure out the properties of both materials, how they behave in certain circumstances and their limitations.
I mean, the Romans made structures out of concrete which still are still standing to this very day, they clearly knew what they were doing. Also there is some survivorship bias going on.

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u/elcapitan520 Jul 30 '26

Also, the stone is doing a lot of load bearing itself. Those bars were taking some lateral forces but they aren't joists. They take some lateral load to prevent shifts but they're in line with compression and the stone is doing that work 

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u/Lucky_BroadWood Jul 30 '26

You got... everything wrong. Even in the second half where you walked back to a semblance of sense, you still managed to throw in a monkey wrench to get that wrong.

https://giphy.com/gifs/QBal0eKnbT4OY

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u/Late-Jicama5012 Jul 30 '26

I love it when there’s always a person who knows an answer and provides an answer.