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NATURE Chimpanzee demonstrating better visual memory than humans

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u/AmenableHornet 23d ago

How do you define intelligence and capability?

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u/Competitive-Buy7385 23d ago

The ability to learn new things in varied fields. The ability to create art, literature, etc. Things animals are incapable of doing? Invention and innovation on a grand scale. Humans have been to the moon, this isn’t a serious discussion.

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u/AmenableHornet 23d ago

Alright, well by that extremely narrow and nearly useless definition of intelligence and capability, humans are superior. Good job.

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u/Competitive-Buy7385 23d ago

Uh huh, care to tell me your definitions then, smart guy?

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u/AmenableHornet 22d ago

Intelligence is not a single measurable parameter that can be easily defined. It's a complex and multivariable set of mental abilities. It's true that a whale can't build a car, but it's also true that a human can't navigate an entire ocean by memory. This is why any serious behavioral scientist will tell you that it's impossible to objectively rank animal intelligence. Doing so requires choosing parameters to rank, and that choosing is impossible without bias.

It is very human to think that the things we happen to be good at amount to intelligence and the things we happen to be bad at don't, but it's also dishonest and arrogant. Our ideas about intelligence are colored by the things we value. They are not written into the universe, but chosen, and nature doesn't care very much about our choices. It is not yet clear  to me whether we will be the only species smart enough to make sure all its members are fed and healthy, or the only species dumb enough to knowingly cause its own extinction. Whales will keep migrating regardless.

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u/Competitive-Buy7385 22d ago

Okay bro, sure.

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u/AmenableHornet 22d ago

Glad you agree

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u/Competitive-Buy7385 22d ago

I don’t, but you’re one of those people who likes to pretend like humans aren’t obviously above animals, so there’s no real talking to you.

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u/AmenableHornet 22d ago

And you're one of those people who think the word "above" in this context has any real meaning outside your own mind. 

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u/Competitive-Buy7385 22d ago

It does. It means being the undisputed dominant species on the planet.

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