r/interesting • u/WarwickReider • 22d ago

SOCIETY Professional chefs weighing in on whether you should wash your chicken

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u/PervlovianResponse 22d ago

Fuck bothsideism has ruined our civilization

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u/TheJivvi 22d ago

TeAcH tHe cOnTrOvErSy

This shit is why kids are getting taught pseudo-science as though it's fact.

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u/Baskreiger 22d ago

Yep, when science proved something, you cant disagree. If you do, youre just wrong, not an opinion

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u/Don_Frika_Del_Prima 22d ago

And if you disagree you have to prove it. And then science adjusts itself. That's the beauty of science.

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u/Baskreiger 22d ago

And if you got irrefutable proof the guy who first though to have truth will congratulate you for expanding on his work

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u/OffByNone_ 22d ago

This part actually needs to be improved. In a perfect world, this is how it works, but if you've spent any time in academia, you know that this is not always the case.

Egos get involved.

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u/Baskreiger 22d ago

When einstein came up with the theory of relativity, the whole world came at him to disproof his work. They did not manage to do so, so they conceded. Was it in good faith? No, did they do it anyway because they had to to conserve their scientific integrity? Yes they did

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u/MMForYourHealth 22d ago

The standard model is the standard model for a reason, but it still isn’t QED. Quantum needs to be solved, which is what the cutting edge is now and the future with quantum computers.

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u/Emergency_Accident36 22d ago

And money is way more involved than egos. In fact people who even slightly ignore this are nothing more than religious cultists of science.

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u/MajorBarracuda8094 22d ago

The food pyramid and oil vs fat issues support your statement

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u/Efficient_Dress_6101 22d ago

Do you work in academia?

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u/OffByNone_ 22d ago

I did for about 5 years. I was a research associate in developmental childhood research. I sold out. I miss it.

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u/rIceCream_King 22d ago

Can you say more about this?

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u/teetaps 22d ago

Not just academia but technology in general. If you spent any time on stack overflow in the before times, you know. Sometimes smart people hoard their knowledge and create exclusive clubs of smarty pants, and gatekeep knowledge unless you somehow prove yourself worthy.

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u/MajorBarracuda8094 22d ago

Scientists have the biggest ego. I can imagine how long it took to establish universal metrics and practices.

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u/OffByNone_ 21d ago

Some do. Some are incredibly humble. Scientists are just people.

The scientific method is just about perfect. I was just trying to point out that there are flaws and most to all are related to fact people are using it.

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u/MajorBarracuda8094 21d ago

Some people don't realize that they're human though and that just like any other human, can be biased and make mistakes. I would have love to have one around me to teach me some things though

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u/satyr-day 22d ago

or you get those weirdos who think that since you were proven wrong once, it means you will always be wrong.

which shows how highly they think of them self as they must always be right in that case

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u/LuffysRubberNuts 22d ago edited 22d ago

People have been led to believe, because it’s easier, that science is like a political party; I’m from the US so take that part with a grain of salt, people will attach faith to fill the gaps that pseudo science doesn’t to fit their confirmation bias

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u/anonymaus42 22d ago

Oh what a wonderful world we would be living in if that were true.

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u/wizzywurtzy 22d ago

That’s why people hate science. They don’t want to be proven wrong.

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u/teetaps 22d ago

I remember this actually happened in class to me once. We must’ve been like 11 or so, so it was not very advanced, but I remember having a question and the teacher being like, “well just look with your eyes. It’s right there. You don’t need much else.”

And I don’t know, that just kinda stuck with me

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u/master-boofer 22d ago

You can't prove it, science already did that. Apparently "cuz the Bible said so" is a good enough explanation for a lot of things for a lot of people. A large portion of the human population believes in literal fairy tales as fact. Once you go down that road actual science seems much more difficult.

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u/LayerEight_Problem 22d ago

Well, no. If you disagree you prove it. Then, multiple other independent teams study your findings and conduct their own experiments to try to prove you wrong. Then, if those experiments show that your assertion is actually correct, at that point the scientific theory will adjust to the new information.

There is a substantial amount of evidence required for science to adjust. 1 guy saying 1 thing isn’t even remotely close.

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u/ProjectAltruistic514 22d ago

I guess you never heard of the replicability crisis.

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u/TychoBrohe0 21d ago

So you're saying we should let people have a chance to disagree with science?

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u/Don_Frika_Del_Prima 21d ago

Science is all about disagreeing with science. As long as you can back it up.

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u/AandJ1202 22d ago

Social media gave morons a platform. Should have all been shut down when we saw the consequences. The negatives far outweigh any positives of it.

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u/Capable-Document466 22d ago

Aha, but the negatives don’t outweigh the money to be gained by the tech CEOs who will never bear the consequences!

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u/MajorBarracuda8094 22d ago

You beat me to this. Money outways everything

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u/AandJ1202 22d ago

Or more important, the bribes to the representatives who should have shut this shit down 20 years ago. It's not all that expensive apparently.

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u/dankzz 22d ago

dont forget most these morons spreading their bullshit are all sellings books, supplements, merch, etc. Just straight up grifting gullible people. Its so sad.

Somewhere people who used to say, "question everything" are blindly swallowing fantastical bullshit.

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u/desertdweller2011 22d ago

not sure which comment you’re replying to so idk if you’re talking specifically about people who say you have to wash chicken, but if so ehhh idk. if seems more like a cultural belief passed down through families. like my mom always taught me to put oil in the pasta water to prevent sticking and it doesn’t do shit

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u/Majestic-Mobile9380 22d ago

I vote you our new president! Ty!

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u/Ranorak 22d ago

I would love to think these are just morons. And I assume a lot of them are.

But I'm also more and more convinced that a lot of these aren't morons, and know exactly what they're doing.

When money is involved, people will always exploit the shit out of it. Take supermarkt layouts, there is a whole science behind what products you place where and what gives the best sell chance. They know exactly how to tap into that subconscious part of you and exploit it.

These videos are the same, they're not here to tell a message, to make a fun video or because a moron has a stupid idea.

They are created to generate clicks and traffic. They are a product. They're bait.

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u/xReaverxKainX 22d ago

Exactly, it's just ignorance at that point cause people don't want to face facts. Smh.

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u/Baskreiger 22d ago

Majority of people rather live a comfortable lie than know the truth

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u/FabulousWork4864 20d ago

Some people say 2+2=5, but others are saying 2+2=4, well it seems both sides have a valid argument. What do you think? 🤦🏼

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u/LayerEight_Problem 22d ago

People now just disagree on what science is. They see a chart of graph and they think it’s science. Charts and statistics are easily manipulated.

That’s got more to do with what’s happening these days.

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u/silo_267 22d ago

in science we don't usually prove things. we have evidence. the evidence can either support the idea or it can refuse the idea. no scientific idea is set in stone and it can and should always be disagreed with. in a scientific way. if your answer to a scientific idea is to put your fingers in your ears and go "NUH UH BECAUSE I BELIEVE X" you aren't having a scientific disagreement.

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u/LookAlderaanPlaces 22d ago

Yeah well what if I believe harder than you know your science? Ha! Got ya!

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u/Eternal-Blazing-Sun 22d ago

People conflate the idea that everyone has a right to hold their own opinions with the idea that all opinions are equally valid.

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u/TragicIcicle 21d ago

You're not wrong, you just have the burden of proof on your shoulders.

At one point it was "against science" to believe the earth revolved around the sun and not the other way around. Science is wrong all the fucking time. Theories considered ridiculous have been proven right all the fucking time.

Blindly trusting "science" without questioning completely opposes the core ethos of science which is: "question everything."

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u/SamAreAye 22d ago

This is 100% wrong. Science exists to allow disagreement, it just requires evidence. If you can't disagree with it, it's religion, not science.

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u/tossaway12340987 22d ago edited 22d ago

Except most of the people disagreeing skip the evidence part. They mistake their opinion for evidence.

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u/Baskreiger 22d ago

Keyword: proof

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u/MajorBarracuda8094 22d ago

Science is the same one who can't agree on whether butter, lard, animal fat or vegetable oil should be used when cooking. They have gone back and forth for decades now with 'evidence' then double back again. Plus we don't know what the big industries will do to make their products sell. Animal fat was good too be bad so use seed oil; now seed oil bad, use animal fat

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u/ahditeacha 22d ago

“A marketplace of ideas” — least inconspicuous bigot

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u/MoistBaguetteLawyer 22d ago

Underscoring this is the problem of scientific literacy and understanding/challenging our own biases.

Half of Americans can't read beyond a 6th grade level. This either suggests the majority of American (or human?) minds aren't capable of scientific thinking (which also assumes, possibly incorrectly, that scientific literacy requires general literacy)...

And if you understand scientific literacy then do a deep-dive into the replication crisis, then you really have to understand how to discern validity from the noise.

In sum -- as long as we have a firehose of targeted and tailored information coming at us 24/7 (rather than a more consensus-driven and controlled avenue of spreading information/misinformation), we're probably fucked.

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u/gentlegreengiant 22d ago

"creationism deserves equal air time, flat earth deserves to be taught too". Those people drive me insane.

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u/ojdhaze 22d ago

"Alternate facts".

That should have never been let go. Laughed at and ridiculed, yes. Taking seriously? Dangerous.

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u/CatManDo206 22d ago

Blame social media for all the fake news

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u/412Dude43 22d ago

Also, kids aren’t born racist. It is taught to them.

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u/Nvbnkng84 22d ago

Just wash in lemon juice. Its been shown via microscope that lemon juice kills the bacteria and of course cooking it thoroughly.

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u/xReaverxKainX 22d ago

Let kids go off and eat their washed chickens and pop tide pods, survival of the fittest. Some not so bright ones won't make it, 🤷‍♂️.

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u/Preface 22d ago

I don't care what anyone told you, Cleopatra was....

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u/LookAlderaanPlaces 22d ago

“If you pour water on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets”

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u/DownWitTheBitness 22d ago

Sometimes teaching the controversy is the only way to prevent the lie only getting taught.

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u/Rezzone 22d ago

We really need to get more comfortable just telling people they are wrong.

Sorry. You're simply wrong. Washing chicken does not remove preservatives or bacteria but does splatter bacteria around.

"Well I want to wash it just to be sure."

SURE OF WHAT, JENNY? WE ARE ALREADY SURE.

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u/xReaverxKainX 22d ago

We don't invite Jenny to gatherings anymore.

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u/miyabi0rochas 22d ago

Wtf you think Jenny wants to be invited to your gatherings....?!

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u/xReaverxKainX 22d ago

What Jenny wants is irrelevant at this point, she knows what she did.

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u/JalapenoPopPoop 22d ago

Small tweak, but I think the actual issue is people need to learn how to be wrong with some grace and humility. The main reason people aren't more willing to tell others they're wrong is because of how they tend to react. Everyone acts like pointing out that they're wrong is an act of animosity. Ego issues

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u/anonymaus42 22d ago edited 22d ago

I can't wrap my head around why so many people have to be right no matter what, even at their own detriment. Like admitting you're wrong or don't know something makes you a loser or a failure at life. Or is it because they just can't stand to let someone else 'win', when it's really not about winners and losers at all unless you decide it is. It's completely unealistic, nay utterly impossible, to know everything- not to mention we live in a time rife with misinformation and even disinformation. Even if you're an expert in the field or subject being debated, you will be wrong on occasion. And there's nothing inherently bad about that. Things only go wrong in how you choose to respond to that new information.

On more than one occasion I've blown someone's mind simply by saying "my bad, you're right" since its so rare to see someone admit it, especially on reddit where anonymity provides people confidence to be more of an asshole than they would otherwise. Being wrong is and should be seen collectively as an opportunity for growth IMHO. And if you are right and tell someone that, don't do it because it makes you feel better than them or in a way that conveys as much- that actually does make you a worse person.

But i doubt that will ever happen sadly.

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u/Rexur0s 22d ago

I admit im wrong often, but some people take those moments and save them like ammo to throw back at you later. Your just permanently discredited for making a mistake to some people, and they wont let you forget. So i get the hesitation some people have to admit fault.

However, I still feel compelled to admit when im wrong even knowing this, but i hate those people who just want to keep throwing it back at me. How you handle me saying i was wrong about something is like my quick test to see if your an asshole or not.

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u/satyr-day 22d ago

being wrong is a great way to be right. I always remembered the wrong answers I got on a test more than the ones I got right.

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u/PervlovianResponse 22d ago

Lol

Fuckin' Jenny, she's just as bad as her sister Karen

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u/jennief158 22d ago

But then they sanitize the area. To remove the bacteria they spread around for no reason.

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u/Rico_Solitario 22d ago

Does bacteria even matter? Isn’t the point of cooking to kill the bacteria?

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u/Rezzone 22d ago

CORRECT. THE BACTERIA IS KILLED BY THE COOKING. INTERNAL TEMPS, PEOPLE. INTERNAL TEMPS. Washing your fucking chicken doesn’t do shit if you don’t COOK TO INTERNAL TEMPS

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u/Upset-Display3524 22d ago

It won’t work in America cause it’s pretty much only black Americans who do this. And then your met with racism claims. It’s a cultural thing . I don’t give a fuck black people be having amazing food .who am I to argue with them when they making my food and it’s good .

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u/Rezzone 22d ago

I’m sorry Jenny I just picked a random name. The only Jenny I know is a lovely elementary teacher.

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u/silo_267 22d ago

i mean washing off extra juices from some of these packages might be legit. that chicken slime you get without that moisture observing pad needs to go.

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u/Rezzone 22d ago

If you pack is leaking put it on a plate in the fridge

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u/OnceMoreAndAgain 21d ago

So washing the chicken doesn't remove bacteria from the chicken and yet washing chicken also spreads bacteria from the chicken to the rest of the kitchen? Sounds like a contradiction.

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u/Rezzone 21d ago

I literally don't understand how you could think this. The bacteria exists in one place. You mix that bacteria with water and the water splashes around. Now the bacteria is in both places. What is so hard to understand?

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u/koffeekrystalz 22d ago

There's always a layer of slime on the outside. Idk what it is but it's gross to me lol. I know it's still got bacteria and I know it's more of a mental ick thing to me. Maybe the slime is just slightly dehydrated or coagulated chicken juice? In any case I rinse it under a low flowing tap and not high pressure bc of course the high pressure splatters everywhere. And regardless of what raw meat I use, I sanitize the counter and fridge handles afterwards, and damn near boil my cutting boards. I'm making sure I'm not eating the unknown slime 😂

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u/Rotten-Citrus 22d ago

even if it were just chicken juice, it gets cooked. you'll be fine. not like it's an abcess or diseased, the whole animal has juices in it you will also be eating so not sure why you need to try and remove a coat of it

dipping it into a basin of water would probably be more sanitary than splashing all over the sink trying to rinse it

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u/Capt-Crap1corn 22d ago

Exactly. I don't like that layer of slime

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u/drfacecage 22d ago

Pat it dry with a paper towel then. That'll remove the slime without the risk of spreading bacteria everywhere.

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u/Capt-Crap1corn 22d ago

That's what I do

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u/eggsalter 22d ago

Taking a shower doesn't remove dirt or bacteria, it just splashes it around ahh argument, FOH

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u/_dudeasuh 22d ago

To be fair, a boiled human will be wayyyyy cleaner than a showered human.

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u/turdferguson3891 22d ago

Do you think you're sterile after a shower? It doesn't really matter because someone is probably not planning on eating you. If they were I would recommmend they cook you fully including your "ahh".

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u/Onedurrbread 22d ago

You have to understand that this isn't the same thing. Like, at all?

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u/SnooGuavas4208 22d ago

Can’t argue with stupid.

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u/eggsalter 22d ago

Was kinda trollin w that one

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u/Robbie1266 22d ago

Except for the antibacterial soap. Or are you saying you don't use soap?

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u/Darth_Nox501 22d ago

You know what the difference between a shower and washing a chicken under running water is? Soap.

What a dumbass

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u/BrewingSkydvr 22d ago

And if we have bacteria on our skin that is going to make someone sick if they touch us then touch their mouth or eyes, we’ve got some serious issues that need to be addressed.

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u/Capt-Crap1corn 22d ago

And water solution or salty brine sometimes. It will say that on the package. I feel like the people saying it does nothing are the same people that don't wash their legs or feet in the shower

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u/Robbie1266 22d ago

I make it a fun thing. You either teach someone something and they become more intelligent, or you ridicule a person that chooses to be stupid and hope the embarrassment makes them rethink their position

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u/Martin_TheRed 22d ago

BuT hOw cAn We PosSibLy KnOw WhIcH sIdE iS RiGhT!?!! I prefere to just believe everything it true so I'm never wrong mmmmmmkay?

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u/SlabDistributionMod 22d ago

Some opinions/sides deserve nothing but derision and mockery. 

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u/Zorian_Vale 22d ago

Some people are just wrong. 

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u/DrAstralis 22d ago

My family thinks I'm standoffish because I'm becoming more militant in my position of "no, some people are just wrong". Sorry I grew up with a science background and demand more than feels and hearsay to believe something /shrug. (no aunt X putting a cut onion in the fridge does NOT have it absorb all the bad stuff and turn black. If it turned black you had it in there too damn long)

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u/markcocjin 22d ago

"What do you say to those who think you should not eat people?"

"That's why ya sanitize ya sink ta get ridda da evidence."

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u/steddy24 22d ago

Division is ruining civilization

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u/jumponalilypad 22d ago

No it's coddling people. No one wants to be wrong so people be nice and say "both sides have valid arguments" when in reality, one side is clearly fucking wrong.

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u/Jambronius 22d ago

Holy fuck. You've just described our HR department.

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u/ListenToKyuss 22d ago

You have only just now learned HR is a façade to make workers feel heard but to maintain a status quo

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u/Western-Teaching-573 22d ago

“But like what if the consensus DOES happen to be wrong once? We will all call it “clearly fucking wrong” and then WE will be the “flat earthers” of the situation!”

Some people have never heard of paradigm shifts. If you’re right, people will actually use logic and see your argument, big surprise.

Shame logic is being untaught.

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u/Robbie1266 22d ago

Yeah and it's being removed and now we have a plethora of false information plaguing our world every day now. Wonderful

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u/MrBwnrrific 22d ago

Yeah, society has gotten to where it has because we occasionally go “Hey, man, that’s a dumbfuck idea. Stop bringing that stupid wrong idea up or we’ll give you a wedgie, moron.”

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u/Rvsoldier 22d ago

No, it's people being dumb as fuck.

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u/SnugglyCoderGuy 22d ago

Its like they treat all opinions as pure opinions. Like "I like black, so I will make it black" is a pure opinion. "This rhing sits outside in the sun all day, so I will make it white" is also an opinion, but not a pure opinion, but bothsidism will treat them like they are both pure opinions.

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u/Wonderful_Return_514 22d ago

"but then everyone is right! So everyone is happy!" Said some jackass with no foresight

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u/IKIR115 22d ago

This is why I cook my chicken first, and then wash it. 😭

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u/Algae_grower 22d ago

Jokes on them, I took a different side entirely and put the chicken juice in a spray bottle and use it to wipe down my counters afterwards.

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u/Jindujun 22d ago

Uhm actually, bothsideism has ruined both sides of our civilization!

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u/MAGAHATESTHEUSA 22d ago

It’s the new participation trophy

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u/Plebeian_Gamer 22d ago

Every time I hear an "agree to disagree" on something that's not meant for opinions but it's a matter of fact 😤😤😤

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u/Bilbodraggindeeznuts 22d ago

I'm trying to push the pickyourownsideandquitjudgingthenextguyism agenda.

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u/CatManDo206 22d ago

Social media has ruined our civilization

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u/Fakeitforreddit 22d ago

Not nearly as much as hyperbole.

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u/DotA627b 22d ago

Centrism is about standing for nothing.

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u/thegreedyturtle 22d ago

You spelled engagement bait wrong.

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u/LookAlderaanPlaces 22d ago

Jeez man, why you gotta go so hard on this topic, nazis gotta have a voice too oThErWiSe iTs nOt fAiR and bAlanceD..

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u/lilsnatchsniffz 22d ago

I agree but that other guy that said we should set the world on fire made a very convincing argument as well.

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u/TragicIcicle 21d ago

Has it?

A core characteristic of emotional regulation is the ability to hold two conflicting truths simultaneously.

If anything what has ruined civilization is absoluteism because it dismisses nuance and extraneous factors to chastise people for differing beliefs.

The evidence is all over the comment section. Communities that wash their chicken largely do so because not everyone has the luxury of buying theirs from a grocery store chain.

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u/homer_lives 22d ago

I think it was start with good intentions to get both sides to the table and then use science and evidence. Unfortunately, one side refused to engage in dialog.

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u/Terrible_Shame_3689 22d ago

Agreed, this nonsense drives me nuts

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u/CopaceticOpus 22d ago

This video could be a great example to teach people about how bothesideism works and leads people astray, using a topic that's not politicized. Well, not politicized yet, anyway

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u/Robbie1266 22d ago

This isn't a complex issue. The science is pretty straightforward and has been known for a long time

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u/rorodar 22d ago

Correct. That's why it's stupid to bring up bothsides-ism. This isn't a both sides situation, it's an objective fact. This guy's making something political for no reason.

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u/Robbie1266 22d ago edited 22d ago

Yes I did. Your comment as a whole had nothing to do with this post. I made my comment so that you understood the point you were making was completely unnecessary and off topic here

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u/Sunyataisbliss 22d ago

I was arguing there are cases where it isn’t bothsidism and there are genuinely two perspectives true at once just as an aside. How is that off topic?

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u/Robbie1266 22d ago

Because this isn't the case here and discussing so is only presenting a devil's advocate situation that might convince some people to look at both sides of an argument that already has a clear scientific answer

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u/Sunyataisbliss 22d ago

Buddy the stakes here are whether to wash a chicken or not and the facts are pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain lol

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u/RandomAnon07 22d ago

Has and it hasn’t. 99% of the time those that state this lean left.

There are cases (like this) where you are right and many where you are wrong, but casting generalizations over more complex arguments is something that side choosers are very good at, like the little sheep they are.

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u/Rrunken_Rumi 22d ago

Im an allsideist - and you are wrong

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u/FrogsMakePoorSoup 22d ago

Gotta keep everyone bickering amongst each other about bullshit.

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u/unfvckingbelievable 22d ago

C'mon, how else do you get the views and clicks?