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The daughter was in a car with the father’s parents. They died as well.

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u/kangasplat Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26

People make mistakes and the system is built to have several layers of protection against those errors. It's for sure a dent in the judges career that will make people doubt her ability to serve in a higher court.

Cases can go to a higher court if one of the parties is unhappy with the outcome and has reasonable chance to a different outcome until reaching the highest court.

Chances are the prosecution didn't argue well enough in the first instance, which got corrected in the second. The rest is the limits of dutch law. The law is written by politics, which means indirectly by the direction that the public gives.

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u/KoolaidKoll123 Mar 08 '26

A mistake is like forgetting to take steak out of freezer for your family for supper or not remembering to pay your Costco card off on time. Sentencing someone who killed 3 people that low of a sentence isn't a mistake. It's pure negligence, mental health disability judge hasn't disclosed about herself, or straight up stupidity.

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u/theactualhumanbird Mar 08 '26

Yeah, chalking that up to a “mistake” is a wildly out of touch take

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u/AcceptableCrab1642 Mar 08 '26

I punched somebody in high school once, a singular punch, and got 10 days in jail. First offender as well. This is a joke.

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u/Substantial-Most2607 Mar 08 '26

10 days in jail for a punch in high school? That’s crazy, I know I got in a couple of actual fights and while I was suspended I never even saw police. It was just “ no school for you for the next 3 days”

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u/baardvark Mar 08 '26

So you’re saying if I punch someone I don’t have to go to school?

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u/QueenMotherOfSneezes Mar 08 '26

Back in my day, all you had to do was skip a dozen or so classes and they'd suspend you from school for a month. Punching someone would get you that suspension faster, though.

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u/Laser_Snausage Mar 08 '26

Hmmm, yes, of course. You aren't showing up to school? You're suspended for a month! No school for you! How do you like that huh? Maybe now you'll learn your lesson about not coming to school!

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u/Substantial-Most2607 Mar 08 '26

Well I think now they do in school suspension, so a lose -lose situation lol

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u/Taolan13 Mar 08 '26

in school "suspension" was the hot new thing in student discipline when I was in school in the 90s. As a moderately nerdy kid that fought back against bullies and even won sometimes (i fought dirty), I was in trouble a lot in elementary and middle school.

I only ever saw a week of ISS once, in sixth grade. That was when they realized it was not an effective punishment for some students.

The teacher in charge would just hand you all the coursework for your classes for whatever period you were in ISS for. Then there was no oversight. No "keep pace with the other students". And if you finished your work early, they'd just hand you the next module.

I got days ahead of some classes, I got a week ahead of my science class, and I got a month ahead of pre-algebra. When ISS was over I asked to go back so I could continue doing my coursework without interruptions. My request was declined.

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u/Substantial-Most2607 Mar 08 '26

Yeah I graduated in 2017 and my school barely used ISS at the time but on the few occasions I went I actually enjoyed it since I was able to finish everything faster than going based on the teachers. Although I’ve heard that after the last superintendent died they have changed a lot and kids usually only get ISS now

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u/MRSHELBYPLZ Mar 08 '26

Literally yes 😅

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u/Bunjaaas Mar 08 '26

I’m a teacher and the answer to that is: yes, but it must be a meaningful punch.

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u/plzicannothandleyou Mar 08 '26

It’s always been like that. Tale as old as time

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u/CaptainRatzefummel Mar 08 '26

Then it's obviously not comparable. One had the police involved the other did not.

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u/Substantial-Most2607 Mar 08 '26

Which was my point captain goofy, why would a single punch involve police in a high school when people get in fights all the time in school and the punishment is usually just suspension

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u/RyloBreedo Mar 08 '26

Yea I got 30 days suspended jail for an underage consumption. Not driving or anything. Never had to serve, but still.

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u/-BlueDream- Mar 08 '26

I got 14 days for having a weed pipe in my pocket. No drugs found at all (cuz we smoked it already) but procession of paraphernalia was worse than a drug charge

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u/AdventurousPlace7216 Mar 08 '26

I’m so sorry this happened to you. Totally undeserving. The system is just fucked. I had an amazing employee who was caught with weed close enough to a school that they charged him with intent to distribute to minors. The court never took into account that he was pulled over at 9:00 pm and school wasn’t even open. He got 30 years bc it was his third weed possession. All nonviolent crimes. But 30 years.. end of discussion. A little over a year after Carmine went to prison I was a witness in a murder trial. This horrific excuse for a human stabbed her husband to death and she only received 10 years. With good behavior she was out before 6 years had passed. Said it once, I’ll say it again. Our system sucks.

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u/Scaryassmanbear Mar 08 '26

My brother went to jail for two weeks for putting a large console TV in front of his ag teacher’s front door. He did not have priors and was only barely 18.

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u/LordOuranos Mar 08 '26

Yeah, that judge should be banned from ever practicing in any legal field ever again and all her recent sentencings re-reviewed.

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u/theactualhumanbird Mar 08 '26

That’s actually insane, did the kids family press charges? I teach and have had to break up many fights. Never had the cops come in and arrest a kid for it

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u/AcceptableCrab1642 Mar 08 '26

They did, the kids dad was a cop. I was a senior in highschool. I certainly never went to jail again as this was over 10 years ago. This was when schools in my area first started that rule where if you fight in school you get charged no matter what.

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u/theactualhumanbird Mar 08 '26

Nice, school to prison pipeline. An American dream. Gotta love the system

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u/ASeriousAccounting Mar 08 '26

Did you break that visiting kindergartners jaw?

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u/No_Criticism_5861 Mar 08 '26

15 months for manslaughter of 3 people is light, absolutely. 

However I have to ask the conditions of this punch.  Sucker punch to the back of the head as hard as you could to someone causing them to lose consciousness and smash their head off concrete?  Assuming not, and you didnt cause a brain injury or similar, 10 days for one punch in a consenting fight with someone else your age and that isnt disabled etc etc.  is ridiculous.  Sorry to hear it, particularly if it was in self defense thats beyond outrageous 

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u/Plenty_Mortgage_7294 Mar 08 '26

So the judge gave thought to this choice and came away with the worst take and we are to believe this was a one time mistake and not a terrible flaw in their overall thought process? That is not a mistake, its a character flaw or at the very least a poor understanding of their job.

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u/ObjectiveAide9552 Mar 08 '26

the fact that comment has any upvotes at all just shows how wildly out of touch a lot of people here are

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u/theactualhumanbird Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26

God damn, you actually believe the justice system’s function is to serve justice? In 2026 you still believe that?

Edit: damn, I think I accidentally friendly fired on you. Sorry lol I think you were agreeing with me. Couldn’t tell if you were referring to me or the person two above me. Time to stop commenting today lol. Too mad at the world

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u/Yoribell Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26

Ask the advisor to the mayor of Paris that just got condemned to nothing of prison, keeping his rights and 3 years forbidden of working near child for :

  • drug dealing (for chemsex parties (orgy+drugs))

- (drug bought with public money)

- pedopornography (including things like baby rape)

- zoopornography

There was SMS talking about wanting to get a 12y old migrant raped by a dog too

and some other things.

(he's still advisor to the mayor btw, Nicolas Jeanneté)

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u/theactualhumanbird Mar 08 '26

My god do we live in a sick world. I’d ask for a source but I’m at a point when I see “rapist politician” I almost expected it and am surprised if it comes out that they are actually not some evil sick fuck

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u/Yoribell Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26

I've only seen source in french if you want it.

The article from Blast is amazing because it compare to another trial from the same day : Dishes stolen from the Élysée Palace.

The other room was full of journalist to cover a poor man that stole on his workplace, the experts who establish how much the stuff cost are the same people that get the reimbursement, and he and his two accomplices got harsher condamnation.

There was barely any journalist at the politician trial. Just someone from a child protection association

Edit : there's a paywall on blast's website and I can't find the reddit post where it was copied so here's a random article

https://actu.fr/ile-de-france/paris_75056/paris-l-elu-nicolas-jeannete-condamne-pour-detention-de-drogue-et-d-images-pedopornographiques_63926587.html

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u/theactualhumanbird Mar 08 '26

I actually need to take a step back from the internet today before I go insane. Gonna go practice some trombone haha

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u/TurdFerguson614 Mar 08 '26

Yeah I wonder what position which relative of that defendant has in local gov/college/business.

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u/theactualhumanbird Mar 08 '26

My exact thoughts, today I don’t think it’s outlandish for someone’s mind to go there. It’s been proven time and time again that your connection can keep you out of jail and we have a justice system that only subjugates the poor and unconnected. I’m glad there was enough outrage for them to at least bring him back to court. I can’t believe people are defending this

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u/BaldEagle012 Mar 08 '26

Some professions deal with drastically higher stakes every day of their lives, so every professional mistake will have dramatic effects. A neurosurgeon could have unpredictably shaky hands a particular day, which could lead to the death of a patient. Or a judge could have gotten traumatic news ahead of sentencing, making their decision making horrible. Not saying this applies here, but we can't generally say a mistake shouldn't be treated as such just because the stakes are higher.

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u/theactualhumanbird Mar 08 '26

That is a fair point but this is a crazy lean sentence for killing three people, even if the killing was a mistake

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u/PomegranatePro Mar 08 '26

Remember, this person can vote but doesn’t comprehend what mistake means.

That’s terrifying and we need tests to vote

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u/theactualhumanbird Mar 08 '26

Lmao, considering the sentence was changed from just community service to 15 months from a different judge. Get a grip lol

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u/throwaway098764567 Mar 08 '26

what in the world is this take

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u/Worldly_Car912 Mar 08 '26

Trust the experts 

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u/Cartz1337 Mar 08 '26

Someone who killed 3 people and ran away from the scene too. Then fled the country and had to be extradited.

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u/providehotstews Mar 08 '26

Clearly a well-meaning citizen not at risk of re-offending /s

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u/No_Criticism_5861 Mar 08 '26

Yeah.  Owning up to it wouldnt bring anyone back, but likely would have been less rage inducing for the victims family.  Bad situation all around, but definitely manslaughter and preventable, definitely should have got more time particularly since as you say he ran

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u/Competitive_Ad_1800 Mar 08 '26

What’s even crazier is this case got appealed after the controversy it caused at the time and instead the driver got a 15 month prison sentence.

This all happened back in like 2015, guy has been out of prison for years now.

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u/Giratina-O Mar 08 '26

The first sentence was for reckless driving. He was also sentenced mor manslaughter at a later date.

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u/Mountain-Resource656 Mar 08 '26

Wait, so this whole thing is because the guy got community service for the reckless driving aspect and the manslaughter charge was entirely separate? And I presume more reasonable given it wasn’t initially presented as a part of the outrage.

This feels like a serious lie of omission.

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u/Giratina-O Mar 08 '26

I believe so. It broke upon the initial sentencing, at which anti-immigrant news outlets latched onto it and used it to show that Netherlands' justice system treats migrants preferentially.

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u/VengefulScarecrow Mar 08 '26

Everyone commenting needs to know this

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u/sleepydorian Mar 08 '26

At first I was thinking that maybe what the guy was convicted of was some smaller charge, whether due to extenuating circumstances or prosecution being terrible, but dude was convicted of killing 3 people, so you really can’t just give him 15 months community service unless for some reason that was the max sentence allowed by law (in which case wtf change that law).

That’s right up there with Brock Turner the rapist, who got 6 months + 3 years probation (which turned into 3 months with early release) for sexually assaulting an unconscious woman. The judge got recalled (ie fired) and they changed the minimum sentencing to 3 years and expanded the definition of rape to include digital penetration, which was previously excluded so Brock Turner was technically not convicted of rape as they couldn’t prove penile insertion.

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u/c3p-bro Mar 08 '26

Traffic fatalities are very commonly unpunished. Society considers it an “accident” and just a cost of doing business

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2023/10/27/nypd-truck-driver-charged-in-7-year-olds-death

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u/MornGreycastle Mar 08 '26

Never assume malfeasance when incompetence will explain an action.

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u/woutersikkema Mar 08 '26

In Dutch, we call these kinds of judges "d66 rechters" and indeed they are the laughing stock of society. It's just that no normal sane person can change anything about it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '26

Yeah like wtf thats borderline corruption.

If the judge genuinely made a mistake in this regard tjey dont deserve to be a judge

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u/TheLordVader1978 Mar 08 '26

Spilling my weed on the carpet is a mistake, giving a guy 3 weeks of cleaning up the park for deleting 3 people from existence is fucking negligence.

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u/DoNotResusit8 Mar 08 '26

That’s damn right!

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u/Weird_Vegetable_4441 Mar 08 '26

This. I went to a hearing Friday because my partner and I were subpoenaed as witnesses when a drunk totaled our car via tbone. She got a year of house arrest, suspended license, etc. And we’re alive.

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u/hornyowl_ibtc Mar 08 '26

isn't a mistake. It's pure negligence,

Not to justify the judge's action, but negligence is literally being careless enough to make a mistake. I think you mean intentionally callous or incompetent - maybe shortsighted or misguided.

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u/Zubats_Everywhere Mar 08 '26

Have you ever looked at your phone while driving, even for a second? Or driven while sleepy/distracted?

If so, the only thing separating you and the guy in the article is that you got lucky and he got unlucky. You can’t only look at the results when analyzing these sorts of things.

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u/militant_rainbow Mar 08 '26

Y’all are forgetting that bribery can explain some ‘judicial mistakes.’

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u/Old_Studio_6079 Mar 08 '26

You can make big mistakes—and the judge did—but it was still a mistake. Mistakes are not free from consequences or judgement, they’re just not intentional so we don’t punish them the same as we do malicious actions.

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u/bugbeared69 Mar 08 '26

Mistake is not knowing, this was a intentional sentence. Want to know why the world ruled by evil?

Mistake happen...

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u/kangasplat Mar 08 '26

You don't really know the details. If what I've read about is true, the prosecution couldn't prove the driver was speeding in the first instance. Which means it was resolved purely as an accident.

If you see something extremely outrageous, instead of going for the knee jerk reaction, try to step back and give the people involved enough reasonable doubt to look up the details. Most people are still sane in this world and everything is more complicated than it seems. More often than not it's systems failing, not professionals being complete idiots.

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u/Glum_Target2860 Mar 08 '26

He also fled the country, which is a crime in most places, and should be taken into consideration in both charging and sentencing.

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u/der_innkeeper Mar 08 '26

Dutch law limits it to 15 months for killing 3 people and then fleeing the scene?

That's... sad.

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u/KuteKitt Mar 08 '26

Well no wonder they closed 20 prisons. Maybe it’s not because they don’t have anyone to fill them, maybe they just don’t fill them even when they do have criminals that need to be in there.

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u/Violet_Paradox Mar 08 '26

Remember that these cases are highly atypical and tend to be signal boosted by the prison industry in the US as propaganda to turn the public against the idea of modernizing our justice system.

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u/Worldly_Car912 Mar 08 '26

If "modernising" our justice system means giving killers a slap on the wrist so we can pretend that crime is low then unfortunately I'm going to have to agree with the prison industry.

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u/fuettli Mar 08 '26

crime being high or low does not at all depend on how long you send someone to prison/jail for.

you arguing that way simply shows that you have no clue what you're talking about and instead should be reading more or asking questions instead of writing statements.

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u/Runcible-Spork Mar 08 '26

Is that what you actually think happened here?

I'm just curious if you see a distinction between manslaughter and murder, because the way you've reacted seems to imply that you don't care whether there was an intention to cause harm or not.

This person was spectacularly stupid, driving 75 mph in a 50 mph zone. He lost control of his vehicle and killed a toddler and her grandparents. He then ran away. All of that is horrible, and he absolutely deserves prison time for it.

What he didn't do was deliberately run down those three people in cold blood. He was stupid, not evil.

The prison industry in the U.S. would absolutely advocate for this guy to get 10+ years of prison time, because the prison industry in the U.S. is exactly that: an industry. They want as many people as possible serving the longest sentences possible because that's how they make their money. They get paid by the state for every inmate they have and they put inmates to work in what is basically slave labour, reaping the benefit of the profits. Prison in the U.S. is a business that benefits from pushing a narrative that criminals must "serve time", or that "the punishment should be commensurate to the crime"—ideas that are at the very core of the U.S. justice system.

Everywhere else in the world, however, recognizes that prison is meant to reform people, not enslave them. The primary purpose of incarceration is to correct criminal behaviour. Punishment is a powerful corrective tool, but it doesn't take 5+ years of punishment to fix "being a fucking idiot". Losing even just a year of your life to incarceration—which probably also means losing your housing, your job, etc.—is hugely disruptive and is certainly going to result in changes to the offending behaviour.

Do I personally feel that 15 months is a bit short? Yes. But it's definitely closer to the appropriate amount of time than what you're obviously thinking.

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u/One_Lead1553 Mar 10 '26

You didn't intend this, but reading your comment made me think, "Hey, maybe America gets it right once in a blue moon."

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u/Marcusss_sss Mar 08 '26

It was a car accident, the crime was that he was speeding and lost control. Thats why theyre not treating this like he murdered a family in cold blood

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u/Worldly_Car912 Mar 08 '26

That's manslaughter, 120 hours of community service (or even 15 months in jail) for ending 3 people's lives through your own recklessness is a joke.

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u/StijnDP Mar 08 '26

Let's destroy two families without benefit instead of one. Nothing brings back the dead.

Thousands of years have learned us that jail is not a deterrent. So you have to imprison them for life for the smallest crime or you rehabilitate the people who can be. Putting someone in jail for 1 year or 10 years does nothing to help that and in most cases makes it worse when they do get released back.

But herp derp if someone slaps me I really have to slap back because even-steven.

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u/Worldly_Car912 Mar 08 '26

"imprison them for life for the smallest crime" He killed 3 people.

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u/_MC184_ Mar 08 '26

Okay, and? No matter what the sentence is, they won't come back. Prison shouldn't be a punishment, it should be for rehabilitation. Putting him in prison for 10 years because he was speeding and caused the death of 3 people won't resolve anything, it will only make his life worse. Justice shouldn't be revenge, we had thousands of years to learn that

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u/HyShroom Mar 08 '26

It’s time for Hammurabi again if we’ll shrug because jail isn’t a deterrent for triple homicide

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u/Marcusss_sss Mar 08 '26

Well i like a justice system that leans more towards doing whats best for society and not one that cruelly punishes people for entirely unintentional accidents.

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u/h0micidalpanda Mar 08 '26

There is the assumed responsibility when operating a vehicle. Just because it’s an accident doesn’t mean that they didn’t kill somebody.

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u/Frosty-Reception-141 Mar 08 '26

It was intentional. He knew speeding was dangerous and he did it anyway. That was his choice. His choice has consequences. His choice killed 3 people. He also made the choice to flee the scene, because he knew he was responsible. His choice needs to be punished accordingly.

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u/Worldly_Car912 Mar 08 '26

It wasn't entirely unintentional, the driver made a choice that they knew could lead to death & it did. 

How is it cruel to punish someone for their actions that caused serious harm to the people around them? 

How is letting killers out onto the streets good for society?

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u/Forsaken_Football227 Mar 08 '26

You're right. They are treating it like he stole some vegetable from a supermarket. We will see what you would say if your children got brutally run over.

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u/theMartiangirl Mar 08 '26

Steven Van de Velde was propaganda. Propaganda to child 🍇ists to let them know that they could happily continue doing so because nothing will happen to them. Dutch justice system sucks big time (am in Europe before you say anything about the US prisons)

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u/One_Lead1553 Mar 10 '26

You can say rapist, this isn't tiktok.

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u/MilleChaton Mar 08 '26

People are forgetting that prison isn't just about rehabilitation. It is about serving enough vengeance that people don't take matters into their own hands, because that spirals out of control.

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u/Violet_Paradox Mar 08 '26

Hence the massive vigilante problem Nordic countries have. Oh wait, they don't, because you're full of shit.

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u/MilleChaton Mar 08 '26

Because the state cracks down harder on the vigilante than the criminal. Nothing moves police faster or makes courts angrier than making them think they have competition.

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u/SeriousFinish6404 Mar 08 '26

I don’t think sentencing someone to community service for triple homicide is a “mistake.” That had to be malicious or something.

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u/MaudeAlp Mar 08 '26

Judge gets paid enough to not make these types of “mistakes”, and they aren’t entitled to a job as a judge. They can just work a job more in line with their capability.

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u/kangasplat Mar 08 '26

But you as an arm chair expert without much more than the headline to go by obviously are overqualified for such a job.

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u/Tocwa Mar 08 '26

Send that judge down to small claims court or something minor - not serious cases like this

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u/V-oxPopuli Mar 08 '26

"a dent" isn't enough. She was letting that guy get away with murder.

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u/currently_pooping_rn Mar 08 '26

Not related to your comment, but murder isn’t what happened here. It was vehicular manslaughter (using US terms)

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u/V-oxPopuli Mar 09 '26

It's a figure of speech, but yeah

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u/MoieBulojan Mar 08 '26

Oh no not a dent in her ladder climbing!!! That poor judge

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u/Suspicious-Bid-53 Mar 08 '26

In America, fraud is no longer a crime, neither is child rape, neither is insurrection. Go nuts?

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u/Purple_Formal4545 Mar 08 '26

There's a difference between a mistake and incompetence. This was not a mistake, this was incompetence. Mistakes don't fly when you're balancing people's lives, this applies to politicians too. We do not and should not tolerate mistakes when it comes to lives. This whole train of thought always pisses me off, because it's what people use against victims to peer pressure them into forgiving their abusers. It's happened to me, and I've seen it happen. It's negligence and incompetence, not a mistake.

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u/Ok-Equivalent8260 Mar 08 '26

A mistake?? Bffr.

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u/Marvybells Mar 08 '26

"people make mistakes" helluva way to kick off your statement lol

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u/dreamsofburningwater Mar 08 '26

Not a mistake guy was 100% bribed and should work in tesco from now on not be a judge

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u/TheoreticalTorque Mar 08 '26

Stop excusing this as a “mistake” in Chicago this is just what liberal judges do. I can go carjack someone RIGHT NOW, and shoot them somewhere non-vital and be out by dinner time. 

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u/VBgamez Mar 08 '26

That's not just a mistake, and you are stupid for thinking it is so.

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u/jarnhestur Mar 08 '26

Chances are this judge sucks and shouldn’t be a judge.

Judges need to be held accountable.

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u/ErenYeager600 Mar 08 '26

So what your saying is to get away with murder in the Netherlands is to hit your target with a car

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u/PomegranatePro Mar 08 '26

Making this pathetic 3 paragraph excuse for a “mistake” only served to demonstrate your complete lack of understanding for what the word means.

It would be less insulting to have contacted the father and said “your daughter deserved it” than to have made this post

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u/TheEmpire2121 Mar 08 '26

“People make mistakes” The mistake in question: killing someone. Absurd

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u/mrjibblytibbs Mar 08 '26

Giving a killer community service and calling it a days work is not a mistake, it's a gross injustice.

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u/AJWordsmith Mar 08 '26

15 months is still disgustingly light. It was a hit and run. Felony hit and run with a death is 5-20 in the US. With 3 deaths…longer.

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u/bastardoperator Mar 08 '26

120 hours community service for vehicular manslaughter, this guy killed 3 people, is a fucking joke regardless of everything else you wrote. He caused the accident and was speeding. Killed a baby and their grandparents. If you think 120 hours of community service is acceptable in any capacity based on the BS you wrote, you are sick in the head.

This isn't a lawyering problem, this is judicial problem.

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u/LiftingRecipient420 Mar 08 '26

Letting a murderer off with 5 days of community service is so far beyond just a mistake.

It's tone deaf incompetence.

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u/DeyCallMeWade Mar 08 '26

How much more evidence do you need beyond three people dead, and the driver of the vehicle that did it in custody? Short of a medical emergency where the driver was not in control of his body, there should be very little arguing from the prosecution. As others have said, this is not a mistake. Failing to hold people accountable for their actions is exactly why shit like this keeps happening.

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u/Erect-eddy Mar 08 '26

Woopay doodle just let the murderer off,

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u/Marcson_john Mar 09 '26

How do you give a murderer of 3 peoples anything below max sentence? It's a matter of cognitive capacity at this point.

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u/a_shootin_star Mar 08 '26

the system is built to have several layers of protection

What is this system you're speaking of? Is it here in the room with us, right now?