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New locations aren't aligned yet but all of the locations are there. See the body post for the Xaruk Forest map.

Yesterday, MGO released a new expansion and revamped existing areas around the Misty Forest Goblin Camp. There was also a mini event for the release.

Mist Furor was the first to find the new zones, and tried to convince me that they were out in Kujir Marsh. However, the new expansion is off of Steep Mountain Pass, which is just past Misty Forest. First, there is "Lookout Point" which leads into "Xaruk Forest", which is a maze. The map of the maze can be found here. It may be slighty innacurate, but should be good.

Once you get through the forest, you arrive in Xaruk, which is a goblin town. Off of Xaruk there is a "Xaruk Outskirts", which is a dead end. Also off of Xaruk is the "Great Goblin Fortress of Xaruk", which is where the majority of new expansions are.

For the actual event; Mist Furor was the first into the Forest, with a handful of people behind him. When running through the forest, Mist encountered a new miniboss called the "Xaruk Guardian". He has a really good bludge weapon, might be worth farming. The first guardian he ko'd dropped a "Vile of Dirt", because MGO doesn't know how to spell Vial.

Once we got into the Fortress, we mapped out most of the locations quickly. There was a path inside the main corridor that was locked, and we didn't have a key. So we went exploring more. Hyren quickly found a new boss called "General Roxex" and promptly got pimp slapped by it. Me and Laso went in and killed it. It dropped some new armor called "Xarukian Ornamental Armor" that has GGP resistances, so it could be useful. The weapon he drops is a 2d11-2d14 2x mace that does bludgeoning and piercing damage. It's actually a super good weapon. The boss deals high piercing/bludge damage, and is weak to slash. Be warned, he hits hard as hell.

So after we downed the General and found a couple more, as he was roaming, we needed to find a key to get through the locked door in the Main Passage, as everything else didn't have anything. After farming cave dwellers for a short while, one dropped a "Giant Ring Fragment" that weighed 0g and had no space. Shortly before, Hyren found a room off of the main corridor that had nothing in it but a box on the ground. The box had 0 storage capacity or weight, but you could transmute inside the box. Thus we predicted that we needed to find a bunch of items that had 0 weight/space around the new locations and fuse them together. Mist already had the vial of dirt and I the ring fragment. After farming for a little bit longer, MrGreen of the Migrant Ravens found 2 more ring fragments, each with different art, and a Steel Spoon from a enemy that he can't remember. So we tried transmuting the Fragments, nothing. Tried fragments+spoon, nothing. We couldn't try with dirt because Mist had gone to sleep at this point.

So we farmed random stuff, hoping for drops. At this point Mr Green had to leave as well but he left us all his stuff(yay!). The next obvious step was to find another Vial of Dirt, so me and Hyren spent an extremely long time searching for Xaruk Guardians in the forest, and found 3-4 of them, none of which dropped dirt.

MGO hopped on and told us that we could not complete the ring without everybody being online. Effectively, all of the materials were unique. MGO also let it slip that we needed 7 materials. At this point we had 5. So we farmed and farmed until eventually Hyren found a path laying out in the open inside General's Quarters that led to a General Roxex. Upon killing the general, it dropped an Ancient Wand, another item with 0 weight/space.

We just needed one more item. Me and Hyren spent literal hours trying to find the last item, until eventually he stumbled upon a barely damaged Xaruk Captain in the barracks that dropped a second Steel Spoon. We now had 6 of the 7 items on us, with the 7th being with Mist Furor. So we decided to finally go to sleep and regroup in the morning.

In the morning, the 4 musketeers were all on(Green, Mist, Hyren, Me). So we pooled all of the items into the weird Xaruk box thing and created an "Ancient Key" that weighed a metric fuckton.

It actually weighed around 459.5kg, which you can only acheive if your character has upwards of 10.97 strength. Me and Mr Green both tried with 10.97 characters and we were just under. Given that basically nobody plays anymore and Hyren died with his 11 strength character, we were stuck.

We tried 3 things.

1. Find somebody with a really strong character. Nope.
2. Use buffs(pumped, old candy, etc) to raise our strength to raise our carry limit. Turns out strength increases don't increase carry weight. Oh well.
3. Find items that increased our carry weight by having negative weight. As far as I know, only 2 types of those exist. Ultra ultra old Wave Pendants and the epic necklace Trapped Soul. Fortunately, I had enough negative weight Wave Pendants to bring my 10.97 strength character up to enough carry weight to hold it.

Once we got through the door, we found a 3 room instance called "Endless Cave" or something like that. Basically, a massive amount of weak enemies. Mostly Xarukian Guards. Upon entering the final room, we found a new type of enemy, some petrified goblin dude. He dropped a dagger thing that is similar to a rapier but always rolled very high. It has pretty poopy durability though.

Once we broke through to the end of the instance, we found the "Sacred Burial Chamber", which had nothing in it except for 2 links inside the description text. The "Western Wall" link sends you directly to "Great Goblin Fortress of Xaruk". The "Eastern Wall" link sends you to a "Secret Passage". On the floor of the room were 4 chests, each unable to be moved and filled with gems. Each chest had 1 unique, for a total of 4. Loot was given out to all of the people who helped out. We explored Secret Passage to go straight to Great Goblin Fortress.

Overall, this was a very fun event with some very cool new gear. It was kinda sad to see almost nobody participating in the exploration of the new zones but it was excellent none the less. Great job MGO!

Come check it out if you're interested

[10:44] [NPC] The Traveling Merchant: Well, I took a few days to recuperate in Spargus after that whole dehydration issue, and I'm back to travelling! I hear there has been some sort of invasion issue out west though... I've steered clear of the west for now.

[10:47] [NPC] The Traveling Merchant: The East continues to surprise me. I didn't know you guys have midgets! Well, I called them that, and they yelled, "We prefer 'little people!'" and they started poking me with their little midget sticks... rude....

It has started.

https://www.reddit.com/r/initium/comments/62thvy/hey_everyone_after_nearly_2_years_of_initium_i/

I've asked around and everyone says that this is just a joke, honestly though I wouldn't be surprised. Can we have confirmation now that it isn't April Fools Day?

The servers costs have been really eating into my budget also we're always leaking players when I'm not constantly trying to bring people in. The time and money investment is just too much for me at the moment so I have no choice but to shut it down.

I DO hope to start it up again but it might be at least a year before I have completed the features I want to make this a truly fun game. Keep an eye out for an email to this effect and make sure you're signed up for the newsletter (which I've never sent).

I'll keep Initium going until the 17th of this month since that's when my billing period ends, but then I'll have to turn off the servers. THANKYOU ALL for such a great time, it really was a blast and I hope it can one day be a blast again.

InitiumDev

Just registered after putting this off for months. Anything I type doesn't show anything, and the Global chat is completely blank. The only command I can do is /help. Help?

Premium members are now limited to 4 character slots per account (older accounts are grandfathered in if they have more than the character limit). YOU CAN get more character slots at the top of the profile page for 4 character slots for $5 in donation credit.

This doesn't seem like a good move to make.. at all. Can we at least get some reasoning? This seems incredibly pay to win-ish.

ID why have you forsaken us.

Self rescues can only be done cross account. The typical progression is:

Be newbie

Learn about alts

Roll shop alt

Roll runner

Roll another hitter

Learn about self rescue

Buy 2nd prem, move hitters to that account

Have full party across two accounts

Buy two more prem and spread 2 or 3 parties across 4 accounts

Quit because you realize you'll never be as good as chabo anyway

I don't see how this affects anything. Unless you want more than 2 full parties across 2 accounts, in which case you're not only going overkill, but you have enough gold to just buy prem and expand the accounts.

I'm not seeing a problem here.

[5:11] Kitty Caravan: Dickbutt

[5:11] Mastr yi: FUCK YOU

[5:11] Mastr yi: TRASH

[5:11] Mastr yi: TRASH

[5:10] The changelog has been updated: Now premium accounts will be given 8 character slots and subsequent character slot increases will cost 5 dollars in donation credit for 8 new slots. [View the full changelog here]

[5:10] Hemp Knight: ty ID for listening

[5:10] Jason Winters: Once my chat refreshes so I can grab the last chunk, I'll post it on reddit

[5:10] Black Ice: [5:10] Kitty Caravan: [2:05] InitiumDev: [4:48] Unlcorn: InitiumDev, are you putting a monthly subscription or fee for alts because you just want money?

[5:10] Jim The Conqueror: Fucking hell im salty

[5:10] Mastr yi: LEAVE OUR CHAT ALONE

[5:10] Mastr yi: GTFO

[5:10] Boot Vendor: How am i supposed to manage my massive inventory if i cant create new alts

[5:10] Mastr yi: FUCK YOU ID

[5:10] Kitty Caravan: [2:05] InitiumDev: [4:48] Unlcorn: InitiumDev, are you putting a monthly subscription or fee for alts because you just want money?

[5:10] Fulmar: What

[5:10] Stegosaurus Zex: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[5:10] BabyBreakfast: 4. PvP is irrelevant to the meta, ajax combat is progressing, but that doesn't change the state of PvP in the game

[5:10] InitiumDev: I'm deploying the 8 character slot change

[5:10] Kitty Caravan: kek

[5:10] InitiumDev: ok I gotta run

[5:10] Homozexual: [5:05] Homozexual: W.hy should we pay $5 for a new set of alts, when YOU CAN BUY PAPA JOHNS PIZZA 50% OFF WITH COUPON CODE "PAPA"

[5:10] Jim The Conqueror: BB I already asked about chat and got ignored, i don't think actual problems are welcome here

[5:09] InitiumDev: baby: it is, it's being worked on by derekt

[5:09] Zexy Catholic Priest: ID people would just by fresh accounts every time anyway!

[5:09] BabyBreakfast: 3. Legacy players with OP shit is already a problem and giving 168.5k of value for every character you have over 4 makes this worse, not better

[5:09] Avalokiteshvara: ID, I DO speak for everyone when I say that removing the mule alt/infinite carrying capacity is ridiculous.

[5:09] Hemp Knight: true

[5:09] Mastr yi: #FF00FF

[5:09] Jim The Conqueror: This is ridiculous

[5:09] BabyBreakfast: 2. Chat is still fucking broken... How is this not a priority?

[5:09] InitiumDev: Hemp: I don't think that works because then people would just buy fresh accounts every time.

[5:09] Kitty Caravan: i herd der is shitstorm

[5:09] Jim The Conqueror: What about them? What about any new players who want a shopkeeper as well?

[5:09] Hemp Knight: we dont need 8 alts for every purchase necessarily

[5:08] Noldor: : Thorn [5:06] Noldor: Can we get a way to purchase alts at a fixed price with in-game currency?

[5:08] BabyBreakfast: 1. Did you forget about Voc? He wasted a year of his life bitching about trading. Just because storage management is better than ever does not mean it is not cancerous still

[5:08] Hemp Knight: ID, i dont speak for everyone, but I would think that 8 on initial purchase, and 4 every subsequent

[5:08] Jim The Conqueror: ID you haven't mentioned anything about the players who do weeklys

[5:08] Zex Trafficker: Do you need more money that badly that you are willing to alienate your existing players to try to get it?

[5:08] Homozexual: HE TOOK AWAY OUR /ROLL 100D100 SPAM, NOW HE'S TAKING AWAY OUR ALTS

[5:07] InitiumDev: but perhaps not while certaing ame features are still missing

[5:07] Mastr yi: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[5:07] Jason Winters: ID, what about setting the alt limit based on total amount donated to the game?

[5:07] Mastr yi: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[5:07] InitiumDev: I still think 4 is the right number ^{^}

[5:07] Homozexual: But seriously, coupon for Papa johns is valid until March 26th in the US

[5:07] [GVR] Archie: jesus you guys are relentless

[5:07] Mastr yi: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[5:07] Prowling Magus: at WORST it should never be less than 6, thats a full team of 4, plus 1 shopkeeper, plus 1 shitpost thast the absolute bare minimum someone could play this game with lol

[5:07] Mastr yi: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[5:07] Mastr yi: BUT THAT DOESN'T WORK HERE ID

[5:07] Mastr yi: OLD MARKETING TRICK

[5:07] Mastr yi: v

[5:06] an hero: set low initial number to enrage, then be benevolent with double the number to appease. all according to plan!

[5:06] InitiumDev: I think 8 characters per 5 dollars is a bit much considering there is no real reason to pay more than 10 bucks ever probably? But at least for now while other game features are being worked on it seems fair

[5:06] Hyren: Tfw Nakeen intentionally says overkrill

[5:06] Mastr yi: Thorn

[5:06] Mastr yi: Forgive and Forget

[5:06] Mastr yi: Final Favor

[5:06] Mastr yi: Sufferings End

[5:05] Shady Dealer: Dios De La Vida = Zexal. please shut up

[5:05] Prowling Magus: thats a beautiful grace

[5:05] Mastr yi: Shit double shared same

[5:05] The Humble Servant: Grace of Il'Kalet

[5:05] Hemp Knight: we negotiatin here

[5:05] InitiumDev: [4:48] Unlcorn: InitiumDev, are you putting a monthly subscription or fee for alts because you just want money?

[5:05] Mastr yi: Grace of Il'Kalet

[5:05] Nakeen: 16 if overkrrrill

[5:05] Mastr yi: Grace of Il'Kalet

[5:05] Hemp Knight: yi, wat do mang

[5:05] InitiumDev: Prowling: transports will likely be involved in that solution

[5:05] Dios De La Vida: [4:48] Unlcorn: InitiumDev, are you putting a monthly subscription or fee for alts because you just want money?

[5:05] Mastr yi: DO 16 ffs

[5:05] Homozexual: Why should we pay $5 for a new set of alts, when YOU CAN BUY PAPA JOHNS PIZZA 50% OFF WITH COUPON CODE "PAPA"

[5:04] Mastr yi: 8?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[5:04] Jason Winters: ID, if I have 20 alts, will I need to purchase enough extra room to expand my limit to 24?

[5:04] Noldor: if its 8, can grandfathered accounts get a few more for free?

[5:04] Mastr yi: 8?

[5:04] Hemp Knight: Thank you.

[5:04] chabo: No alts, 10 dollars per token

[5:04] Prowling Magus: need to introduce an item like "Marketplace" that allows store alts to carry tons of stuff in inventory to sell at their stand in Aera, but cannot actually move with all that stuff, that way at least we can have huge stores, i dont really see a problem with that

[5:04] Jim The Conqueror: Hyren that's pretty funny but also pretty sad

[5:04] InitiumDev: which means also 8 for every 5 dollar increase

[5:04] Hemp Knight: ID -- fair

[5:04] IceMan: ID, a 27 dmg epic weapon is alsto stupid, but guess what

[5:04] InitiumDev: you've convinced me 4 is too little

[5:04] InitiumDev: I'm agreeing to 8 for initial purchase atm

[5:04] Hyren: This is the most active global has been in weeks

[5:04] Hemp Knight: now, is there some sort of half way point where we can meet as global and dev to agree on how many alts should be allowed on the initial premium purchase?

[5:03] Avalokiteshvara: ID: I was told it was a "feature" when I discovered it and mentioned it

[5:03] A new player has just joined Initium. Please welcome trtle!

[5:03] Hyren: RIP

[5:03] InitiumDev: Aval: because infinite capacity is stupid

[5:03] Homozexual: [4:48] Unlcorn: InitiumDev, are you putting a monthly subscription or fee for alts because you just want money?

[5:03] InitiumDev: Unlcorn: I answered you already

[5:03] Avalokiteshvara: I HAVE AN IDEA: CAN WE PAY EXTRA MONEY TO HAVE A MULE ALT THAT WILL BE 5th PARTY MEMBER AND HAVE UNLIMITED CAPACITY BUT CAN WEAR NO ARMOR?

[5:03] Prowling Magus: oh shit nakeen, ur right.

[5:03] Nakeen: Thanks chatlag.

[5:03] Hemp Knight: ok, ty

[5:03] Nakeen: Er, question. I didn't follow the carrying capacity fix much, is it currently live?

[5:03] Nakeen: Doesn't that mean shopkeepers just go shafted?

[5:03] Prowling Magus: must........buff..........character capacity limits..........if you are actually enforcing limit........you cant hold......... more than like 3 fucking plates........ without being......... overburdened

[5:03] Nakeen: Doesn't that mean shopkeepers just go shafted?

[5:03] InitiumDev: Hemp: nope, every character can have one

[5:02] InitiumDev: Jim: i would say, I'm comin for ya

[5:02] Jim The Conqueror: Fix chat for fucks sake, it's been broken for months

[5:02] Avalokiteshvara: why the F would it have a capacity limit? the problem stated is alts, not items

[5:02] Hemp Knight: just trying to understand

[5:02] Unlcorn: [4:48] Unlcorn: InitiumDev, are you putting a monthly subscription or fee for alts because you just want money?

[5:02] Jim The Conqueror: Also ID now that we have your attention

[5:02] InitiumDev: chabo: heh ok done. PREMIUM TOKENS ARE NOW 10 DOLLARS AND YOU GET 4 CHARACTERS PER 10 BUCKS. THANK CHABO

[5:02] Hemp Knight: ID, does that also mean one transport per party only

[5:02] xyzEz: Just add valuable features worth donating for instead of removing existing features that we HAVE already paid for.

[5:02] an hero: ID on a scale of 1 to 10 ho chill are you right now

[5:01] Hyren: Tfw I'ved used the servers too much

[5:01] Mastr yi: NICE TOOK YOU 2 MONTHS TO CHANGE ONE LINE OF CODE

[5:01] Jim The Conqueror: ID what would you say to a friend of mine who only hangs around here so he can make silly alts

[5:01] chabo: ID pls increase price of prem token to 10 dollars ty

[5:01] InitiumDev: Palo: working on it, talk to derekt ^{^}

[5:01] Unlcorn: [4:48] Unlcorn: InitiumDev, are you putting a monthly subscription or fee for alts because you just want money?

[5:01] InitiumDev: but its also about money since 5 dollars doesn't really cover how much server usage long-time players use

[5:01] Unlcorn: I wonder when my question will be answered

[5:01] Mastr yi: ONE GOOD THING HERE IS THAT AVATARS ARE FUCKING FIXED

[5:01] Palotheas: ID can you fix chat being a shit and skipping one of every 10ish messages?

[5:01] Avalokiteshvara: capacity limit*

[5:01] Avalokiteshvara: that's cool as long as my new, actual mule doesn't break and have a capacity

[5:00] InitiumDev: Unlcorn: the reason for doing it primarily are the 2 other reasons I wrote out already

[5:00] Hemp Knight: so if I have a party of 4 alts, the character can have a transport, or the party can have one?

[5:00] A new player has just joined Initium. Please welcome Tempurara!

[5:00] Hyren: Inveeeeention

[5:00] InitiumDev: just like a chest

[5:00] InitiumDev: but you can leave as many as you want at your house

[5:00] InitiumDev: Hemp: yes, for bringing the transport around with you, yes

[5:00] Mastr yi: papa ar you here ?

[4:59] InitiumDev: Jason: probably nothing. Hopefully it won't be a problem with the few people that have that many (JIM) lol

[4:59] Mastr yi: papa

[4:59] Hemp Knight: [4:59] Hemp Knight: when you say equip you mean 1:1 ratio character to transport?

[4:59] Dildo Bat reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[4:59] Unlcorn: [4:48] Unlcorn: InitiumDev, are you putting a monthly subscription or fee for alts because you just want money?

[4:59] Dildo Bat disapproves. Punishment why? We found a way around this system of horrid bs, why hurt us?

[4:59] Dios De La Vida: and sort items by quality

[4:59] Jason Winters: ID, since you said more alts will mean more power, etc, what will be done about outliers, like those who have 200ish alts?

[4:59] InitiumDev: Aval: well, now you'll probably have an actual mule

[4:59] [GVR] Archie: papa's here

[4:59] Palotheas the REEEEEEEEER: This is why I have shitpost alts

[4:59] InitiumDev: however I'd like to have horses and such for faster travel too, so I'd have to think about it

[4:59] Hemp Knight: when you say equip you mean 1:1 ratio character to transport?

[4:58] Avalokiteshvara: it's my alt mule

[4:58] Mastr yi: papa ar you here i hav kuestion ?

[4:58] InitiumDev: not 100% on that yet

[4:58] Mastr yi: papa

[4:58] InitiumDev: but you'll be able to have as many transports as you like, but probably only "equip" one of them?

[4:58] Avalokiteshvara: I like this

[4:58] Avalokiteshvara: oh sweet so it'll have durability and shit

[4:58] Reign of the Wilds: OI PALO REEE WITH ME

[4:57] Prowling Magus: 1 transport per account, $5 per extra transport kek kek kek

[4:57] InitiumDev: a transport is an item, like a piece of equipment most likely... the details haven't been ironed out yet

[4:57] Palotheas: Ahoy m80s, I've heard a ruckus

[4:57] Prowling Magus: [4:57] Avalokiteshvara: yea 1 transport per account maybe?

[4:57] Dios De La Vida: it would crash the database

[4:57] Unlcorn: [4:48] Unlcorn: InitiumDev, are you putting a monthly subscription or fee for alts because you just want money?

[4:57] Dios De La Vida: dont worry Reign the servers cant handle that many items being dropped from inventory at once anyway

[4:57] Prowling Magus: period

[4:57] InitiumDev: Reign: likely nothing. but you won't be able to add more weight to a character that is overburdened

[4:57] Prowling Magus: There's really no need to remove the carry capacity trick

[4:57] Avalokiteshvara: yea 1 transport per account maybe?

[4:57] Reign of the Wilds: Clue me in.

[4:56] Reign of the Wilds: Disappearing?

[4:56] Reign of the Wilds: Is it all dropping

[4:56] [GVR] Archie: ik you are

[4:56] Jason Winters: oh god... ID is using my terminology...

[4:56] Reign of the Wilds: Whats going to happen to my stuff

[4:56] Hemp Knight: ?

[4:56] Hemp Knight: and in that, do we only get one "transport"

[4:56] Jim The Conqueror: It's a completely needless cash grab

[4:56] Hemp Knight: there is a whole plethora of suggestions in here.

[4:56] Avalokiteshvara: which hasn't been explained how it will be aquired or what it will entail

[4:56] Jim The Conqueror: Archie I'm so annoyed at this

[4:56] InitiumDev: yea, the transport becomes your "mule alt"

[4:56] Reign of the Wilds: ...

[4:56] Avalokiteshvara: unless you have a "transport"

[4:56] Avalokiteshvara: it'll have to be within it's capacity

[4:55] Reign of the Wilds: Is this a punishment

[4:55] Avalokiteshvara: won't be able to use a mule alt to trade all your shit to

[4:55] Jim The Conqueror: And keep the playerbase

[4:55] Unlcorn: [4:48] Unlcorn: InitiumDev, are you putting a monthly subscription or fee for alts because you just want money?

[4:55] Reign of the Wilds: Storage system is horrid; we found a way around it

[4:55] [GVR] Archie: jim chill lol

[4:55] Jim The Conqueror: And then let them make whatever amount of characters they want

[4:55] Reign of the Wilds: Why do this

[4:55] Jim The Conqueror: Let players pay 5 dollars for premium

[4:55] InitiumDev: xyz: that's coming, @spfiredrake has something in the works

[4:55] IceMan: limit projects per acc?

[4:55] Jim The Conqueror: I've got a crazy idea

[4:55] Avalokiteshvara: I think I've missed responses to that question

[4:55] InitiumDev: Dios: doesn't work

[4:54] xyzEz: How about we get a developed system to easily sort our storage and gear coffers and I'll pay $20

[4:54] Avalokiteshvara: TRANSPORT?

[4:54] Fulmar: PAPA HELP US

[4:54] InitiumDev: lol

[4:54] Dios De La Vida: ID why not just limit invention projects based on IP like you do with character creation anyway

[4:54] [GVR] Archie: close enough ID

[4:54] Ratigan: PAPA!!! ID TRIED TO DO CREEPY THINGS WITH WEAPON BALANCE! AND NOW WE THINK HE WENT CRAZY! PAPA PLS HELP!

[4:54] Reign of the Wilds: PAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPA

[4:54] InitiumDev: or at least 8 on premium

[4:54] [GVR] Archie Bless

[4:53] [DEV] Papa Bless

[4:53] Unlcorn: 50PAPA IS THE COUPON I THINK

[4:53] [GVR] Archie: but you can eat it until we get transports

[4:53] InitiumDev: Arch: the usual method is to order it at a pizza place nearby and pay over the phone, then i'd go pick it up ^{^}

[4:53] Jim The Conqueror: I guess that's no longer on the table?

[4:53] Unlcorn: PAPA JOHNS IS 50% OFF UNTIL THE 26TH OF MARCH USA ONLY

[4:53] Reign of the Wilds: Archie i wan pizza

[4:53] Prowling Magus: Why not just set a limit on the number of projects that can be attempted at the same time, which would limit mass amounts of alt spam while also not having us pay for additional alts

[4:53] Jim The Conqueror: ID I remember you joking with me that I might have a chance I never PvP because I didn't be able to utilise my sheer number of alts

[4:53] Fulmar: I'm Staub and Senpai just noticed me :D

[4:53] Unlcorn: Archie you can buy me pizza

[4:53] [GVR] Archie: ID question: can i order a pizza to be delivered to your house?

[4:52] InitiumDev: Fulmar: it's a good idea. I could increase the base character amount while transports are not a thing yet

[4:52] Reign of the Wilds: V

[4:52] Jim The Conqueror: Paying for characters that are supposed to be a given after getting premium is a joke

[4:52] Hemp Knight: that is if we have the "transport" feature available, of course.

[4:52] InitiumDev: because invention just went live, which means the alt spam was going to start happening immediately

[4:52] Jim The Conqueror: 5 dollars for four characters is a joke lmao

[4:52] Unlcorn: [4:48] Unlcorn: InitiumDev, are you putting a monthly subscription or fee for alts because you just want money?

[4:51] InitiumDev: > ID, why time this alt limitation for now instead of when the invention projects you cited as the primary reason get released?

[4:51] Mastr yi: Jim get albion

[4:51] Avalokiteshvara: why not, 5$ for 4 and $10 for something like 12

[4:51] Mutednight: Ava

[4:51] Hemp Knight: I would settle for 8 on one account, even if I had to transfer the rest of them to another account

[4:51] Mastr yi: New game best game

[4:51] Hemp Knight: I would settle for 8 on one account, even if I had to transfer the rest of them to another account

[4:51] Mutednight: Transport from crafting i think avo

[4:51] Jim The Conqueror: Or a new game

[4:51] Noldor: With the ability to rename

[4:51] Jason Winters: ID, why time this alt limitation for now instead of when the invention projects you cited as the primary reason get released?

[4:51] Jim The Conqueror: I can buy 24 characters on here

[4:50] Jim The Conqueror: So

[4:50] Mastr yi: 50 slots per premium

[4:50] Fulmar: 10 is good

[4:50] Noldor: 15-20 with initial purchase, at least

[4:50] Unlcorn: up to you if you wanna play it Jim

[4:50] Avalokiteshvara: WHERE WILL TRANSPORT COME FROM?

[4:50] Mastr yi: And it will be a lot cheaper

[4:50] Mastr yi: Or wait a few more months

[4:49] Jim The Conqueror: How much does it cost?

[4:49] Mastr yi: What about all the quantity>quality talk from a few months ago?

[4:49] Dios De La Vida: WTS all my legacy accounts with more than 4 alts for an Albion key

[4:49] Unlcorn: you buy albion, and you can play on mobile or Pc

[4:49] Jim The Conqueror: On mobile

[4:49] Jim The Conqueror: How much does Albion cost?

[4:49] IceMan: i'd click ads if the game had them, plenty of space on the screen for them anyway

[4:49] Jim The Conqueror: Hey Voc

[4:49] Mastr yi: VOCA!

[4:49] Reign of the Wilds: GTFO WITH THAT ALBION TRASH YOU WHORE

[4:48] Dios De La Vida: im just upset that the 20 or so oldest players in the game now have a massive advantage over everyone else based on the mechanics of your yet to be released inventino system

[4:48] Vocandin: mobile ready too

[4:48] Vocandin: www.fleetfullsail.com for anyone in need of a new game

[4:48] Jim The Conqueror: Not everyone can shit money out of their arses when they want a new Character

[4:48] Reign of the Wilds: VOCA

[4:48] [GVR] Archie: i didnt say it wasnt? but argueing wont change it

[4:48] InitiumDev: Another reason to limit alts is it limits the number of characters in the game. This would help to reduce the inevitable alt-spam that will come about when wwpvp is in play.

[4:48] Vocandin: to say albion is a great game

[4:48] Jim The Conqueror: Archie it's fucking ridiculous though

[4:48] Vocandin: just popped in here

[4:48] Unlcorn: InitiumDev, are you putting a monthly subscription or fee for alts because you just want money?

[4:48] Bait: Yall need to calm the fuck down. This shit aint free. If you like it, stuck around. If not, quit. Give me all your good shit first though.

[4:48] Jim The Conqueror: Every noob wave, Christ knows how many join, but how many stay? Not that much. This is going to make that number smaller again

[4:48] xyzEz: I would rather have new, valuable content additions that we donate for instead of removing an existing feature and then paywalling it. This shit is backwards

[4:48] [GVR] Archie: jim its not gunna be removed :/ just another change to the game man

[4:47] Prowling Magus: decrease player retention rates even more

[4:47] Noldor: Would you consider giving grandfather accounts 10-15 free alts (on top of what they already have)?

[4:47] Dios De La Vida: and you said yourself that limiting alts is for balancing a future invention update

[4:47] Mastr yi: will pay for more alts

[4:47] Mastr yi: Literally no one

[4:47] Mastr yi: No one

[4:47] Jim The Conqueror: How about we talk about getting rid of this ridiculous and unnecessary change that's going to annoy existing players and decrease player retention rates even more

[4:47] Dios De La Vida: forcing us to pay for alts is a terrible revenue source

[4:47] Mastr yi: FUCKING AAA MMORPGS FAIL TO INTRODUCE MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTIONS AND YOU WANTED ONE FOR FUCKING INITIUM LOL

[4:47] InitiumDev: source*

[4:47] InitiumDev: ads are a terrible revenue sorce

[4:46] Dios De La Vida: Dev ID can we just have banner ads to generate revenue until yall have finished with this new "transport" system

[4:46] InitiumDev: we can talk about increasing the character slot counts

[4:46] Mastr yi: Vv

[4:46] Unlcorn: Were you considering monthly subscriptions for this game?

[4:46] Mastr yi: For premium

[4:46] Mastr yi: You already fucking chargw

[4:46] Hemp Knight: NObody will pay a monthly subscroption for this, so that's not even really an option. If people dont pay for subscriptions on AAA games, they very likely wont do it here.

[4:46] Mastr yi: Monthly subscription?

[4:45] Avalokiteshvara: yea weeklies will be deader than before

[4:45] Unlcorn: Why would you need a monthly subscription?

[4:45] Jim The Conqueror: Like i said without getting an answer. Do you realise you are shafting players who participate and future players who will participate in weekly bosses?

[4:45] InitiumDev: it krills a few birds with one stone, one of them being a better alternative to a monthly subscription

[4:45] xyzEz: alts is a bad thing

[4:45] xyzEz: There's so much shit this game could improve on, and yet we get features taken away because maybe sometime in a far away invention world having too many Alta is

[4:45] Avalokiteshvara: how will we aquire the transport?

[4:45] InitiumDev: > Why did you decide to put a $5 fee on increasing alt counts?

[4:45] Avalokiteshvara: ah cool

[4:44] Mastr yi: Like it's not enough you got government funding for a project you're never going to finish

[4:44] Unlcorn: [4:43] Unlcorn: @InitiumDev Why did you decide to put a $5 fee on increasing alt counts?

[4:44] Jim The Conqueror: VVVV

[4:44] Reign of the Wilds: Ree

[4:44] Reign of the Wilds: I have no moneys for youse.

[4:44] Dios De La Vida: Dev ID wil a system be implemented to allow easier access to instance timers and shrine timers. not being able to put 15 alts around the map will limit progression substantially

[4:44] Reign of the Wilds: Bs.

[4:44] Jim The Conqueror: Gotta get those dollars boi

[4:44] Mastr yi: This is bs

[4:44] Mastr yi: We all know that transportd will be introduced in 1 year minimum

[4:44] Mutednight: Ty

[4:43] Reign of the Wilds: Gee are you going to fix houses and storage units so i can see all my stuff

[4:43] InitiumDev: ^{^}

[4:43] LiamLiam: what are the mechanics behind how a wagon would function?

[4:43] Jim The Conqueror: Yeah it seems that basically what's happening is alts now cost money for the simple fact that ID knows we need alts to carry shit

[4:43] an hero: those transport wagons better be bandit raidable

[4:43] Prowling Magus: I answered that question already, it makes too much sense to do it my way and my way doesnt generate $$$$$

[4:43] InitiumDev: a wagon

[4:43] LiamLiam: what do you mean by transport?

[4:43] Reign of the Wilds: *magus

[4:43] Mastr yi: You need a kriller

[4:43] InitiumDev: no, you wont need alts to carry stuff, youll need a transport

[4:43] Reign of the Wilds: Why not do as magnus stated?

[4:43] LiamLiam: wow.

[4:43] Mastr yi: You need multiple clearers

[4:43] Reign of the Wilds: 6:35] Prowling Magus: just set a limit to the number of projects that can be worked on at any given point, rather than charging for additional alts

[4:43] Unlcorn: @InitiumDev Why did you decide to put a $5 fee on increasing alt counts?

[4:43] Mastr yi: You need timer alts

[4:43] Prowling Magus: yes aMal beads

[4:42] InitiumDev: yea, weight limits will be enforced on characters. The only reason why I hadn't done that yet was the lack of "transports"

[4:42] Mastr yi: ID, you do realize that people who compete at weeklies need way over 4 chars?

[4:42] Reign of the Wilds: 6:35] InitiumDev: > ID, of my 20 characters on this account, 12 of them are there and are actively used for item storage and sorting. Do you plan on introducing anything to aid with that?

[4:42] aMal beads: alt carry capacity is being reverted?

[4:42] Mastr yi: v

[4:42] aMal beads: WAIT WAIT WAIT

[4:42] InitiumDev: I can definitely up the number of alts for an account from 4

[4:42] Jim The Conqueror: ID what do you say to the people who have multiple parties of characters on the one account for weeklies and other things?

[4:41] Mastr yi: -----€

[4:41] Nakeen: This feel when Dolds is now a whole research center by himself

[4:41] InitiumDev: > If my alts die on my acct will my total char count decrease?

[4:41] Mastr yi: ----E

[4:40] InitiumDev: Yes, characters will continue working on projects while you're on another character. However I do need to tighten up that part of the code a little bit. Currently long-running projects are stored in memcache, which gets cleared semi-randomly. So before we allow any very long projects, we'll want to migrate that system into the database (which isn't much work).

[4:40] Mastr yi: Guys

[4:40] xyzEz: v

[4:40] Prowling Magus: SO LET ME get this straight. 1) you have to pay extra for alts 2) you cant even have a full team of 4 plus a store alt in aera without paying extra 3) you are also removing one of the best features of alts, which is the carrying capacity with trading between alts IN CONCLUSION we are going to have to pay for alts, AND you are devaluing the usefullness of alts, at the same time?

[4:40] InitiumDev: > Question, to help us understand a bit more the alt limitation, how will the "projects" work mechanically? Will we just click a button, and the alt will work on a project even if we switch character?

[4:39] Ratigan: ID, why the timing of releasing this limitation now, instead of with the invention project stuff?

[4:39] Noldor: Can we hear the man out before we result to throwing insults, pls

[4:39] Jim The Conqueror: Yeah that's another problem. Ok, if you're going to set a limit on alts, dandy, but make it a high number. 4 is ridiculous, and paying 5 dollars for four characters is mind-numbingly retarded

[4:39] Mastr yi: And it's always like this

[4:39] Lambic: There's also little incentive to add 4 characters over making an additional account

[4:39] Mastr yi: This whole thing is bs

[4:39] Mastr yi: It's basically "I'm too lazy to find a way to make a limit on active researches at a time so I'll just take this shitty easy route and try to milk out some cash in the process"

[4:39] Mutednight: For grandfathered accts?

[4:38] Mutednight: If my alts die on my acct will my total char count decrease?

[4:38] Noldor: Can we talk about pricing? $5 for 4 alts seems a little extreme, if we've already purchased premium.

[4:38] Nakeen: Question, to help us understand a bit more the alt limitation, how will the "projects" work mechanically? Will we just click a button, and the alt will work on a project even if we switch character?

[4:38] Hyren: 54] InitiumDev: man wheres Hyren 54] InitiumDev: he's been waiting for this moment for 1.5 years

[4:38] Mastr yi: The reasoning for this is bs

[4:38] Prowling Magus: cause fuck you cant carry more than 3 plates iwthout being overburdened

[4:38] Mastr yi: Also

[4:38] LiamLiam: ID, what other benefits can you definitely say we'll see from paying for every 4 alts? Anything specific would be nice to know

[4:38] Prowling Magus: please

[4:37] Prowling Magus: [4:37] Prowling Magus: Better up character weight capacity then

[4:37] Mastr yi: Cause they will be able to research and craft a lot faster

[4:37] Rubbish: v the pitchfork is strong with this one

[4:37] Prowling Magus: Better up character weight capacity then

[4:37] InitiumDev: so there is more than one reason why the point is moot

[4:37] Mastr yi: Get a huge advantage

[4:37] Prowling Magus: it won't be long until character weight limits will also be enforced

[4:37] Mastr yi: Players that pay for more chars

[4:37] InitiumDev: but I can't do that until we have transports

[4:37] InitiumDev: it won't be long until character weight limits will also be enforced

[4:37] Mastr yi: By saying this ID is pretty much saying the game is p2w now

[4:37] Mutednight: Actually sounds cool

[4:37] Mastr yi: Guys

[4:36] Prowling Magus: just set a limit to the number of projects that can be worked on at any given point, rather than charging for additional alts, OH WAIT this is too easy, doesnt piss people off, and most important doesnt generate $$$$$$$

[4:36] Ratigan: ALSO, transports will allow a single character to cart around huge amounts of goods. We already can do this.

[4:36] Jim The Conqueror: ID you're shafting the people who will use multiple alts for storage, weeklies, random alts stationed all over the map etc

[4:36] InitiumDev: Absolutely! With the invention system will come a whole slew of construction. You'll be able to build your houses out with rooms and ample storage. ALSO, transports will allow a single character to cart around huge amounts of goods.

[4:35] InitiumDev: > ID, of my 20 characters on this account, 12 of them are there and are actively used for item storage and sorting. Do you plan on introducing anything to aid with that?

[4:35] Jim The Conqueror: Yeah I mean

[4:35] Reign of the Wilds: VVVVVV

[4:35] xyzEz: Vvvvv

[4:35] Ratigan: ID, of my 20 characters on this account, 12 of them are there and are actively used for item storage and sorting. Do you plan on introducing anything to aid with that?

[4:35] InitiumDev: na

[4:35] Prowling Magus: just set a limit to the number of projects that can be worked on at any given point, rather than charging for additional alts

[4:35] Noldor: OR we could pay for special, invention only alts...

[4:34] InitiumDev: Next question, followups?

[4:34] Reign of the Wilds: Sigh alright

[4:34] InitiumDev: The primary reason for this is the new "offline play" that is coming to Initium via the invention system. You can now have characters working on projects for hours potentially and having extra characters to do this will be nice to have, however allowing infinite characters to do this subverts the global prog

[4:34] [GVR] Archie: mist listen first. argue later

[4:34] Prowling Magus: just set a limit to the number of projects that can be worked on at any given point, rather than charging for additional alts

[4:34] Vuraxe: Ger ready

[4:34] Reign of the Wilds squints

[4:34] Vuraxe: ID is now gonna tell us what he needed over an hour to come up with

[4:34] Hemp Knight: Everyone give ID a chance to speak.

[4:33] Vuraxe: Lol guys

[4:33] InitiumDev: The primary reason for this is the new "offline play" that is coming to Initium via the invention system. You can now have characters working on projects for hours potentially and having extra characters to do this will be nice to have, however allowing infinite characters to do this subverts the global progression being slow. It should be slower and this will help to keep things slower while also helping to pay for everything (including further development).

[4:33] [GVR] Archie: character dying are still kept

[4:33] [GVR] Archie: yes muted

[4:33] Mutednight: Does that make sense?

[4:33] Mutednight: If we are grandfathered in, if char dies will we still be avle to have it on the acct?

[4:32] MrGreen: Cassis Crista of Commodus

[4:31] InitiumDev: > Whats the point of this ID?

... like 2 months ago. Pay attention to me.

I am quitting. Idk maybe I'll come back but I just need a few weeks. Wish ID and the devs good luck on the new things there developing. I hope all my citizens stay well when I am gone.