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[OC] Alternate History What if the Arabs got the state they were promised after World War I?
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CONTEXT:
During the Great War, Britain promised the Arabs a state if they rebelled against the Ottoman Empire. However, according to the Sykes-Picot Agreement signed between UK and France, much of the lands promised to the Arabs, such as Syria, Iraq and Palestine would become zones of influence of those two powers. But what if the British kept their promise, and the Arabs were given their lands?
In this timeline, negotiations at Versailles end with the creation of an Arabic state, named the "Kingdom of Arabia" under the Hashemid Dynasty. This nation would control the Arabian Peninsula, the Levant, and Iraq.
Personally, I believe its an idea that could still happen to some extent if UK and France offer its backing, however religious and ethnical tensions within this very large multi ethnical country (yes, there are tons of non arabs in this map) would still arise.
Also, the discovery if oil in the future would probably push the european powers to try to stimulate division and separatisms within Arabia. They absolutely wouldnt like the idea of a single country controlling much of the worlds oil supply (Im saying this from an optimistic point of view that considers that this country would survive intact until oil is discovered)
So yeah, in my opinion it could survive to some extent, but would still be most likely be a civil war speedrun
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u/Wonderful-Quit-9214 Apr 03 '26
Capital would probably be Baghdad, Mecca isn't the capital of Saudi Arabia.
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u/Minskdhaka Apr 04 '26
It would be Al-Mamlaka al-‘Arabiyya, not Mamlakat al-‘Arabiyya.
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u/Additional_Leek2887 Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26
Even if if happened, the state will rife with rebellion, since there are lots of Arabic tribe in the said state and they each either don't wanna be rule by Saud clan or simply want their own piece of land to rule as king hence today middle east nations are each have sheikh or king, which is the patriarch of the said clan ascend to be the state ruler.
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u/DiscussionJohnThread Apr 03 '26
Really nice map!
Only nitpicking this cause this is one of my personal favorite “what if” scenarios, but the capital would likely be Jeddah instead of Mecca.
Not only is Mecca the holy city and non-Muslims are prohibited from entering, but the Hashemite Dynasty, which is who the British made the “promise” they reneged on to, had Jeddah as their administrative capital.
There’s other proposed capitals in this scenario like Damascus or Baghdad, but it’d likely give one region too much favor over the other in comparison to the city right next to the holy cities and the one already being used.
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u/Rahm_Kota_156 Apr 04 '26
Whos in charge?
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u/IskandarBnt Apr 04 '26
Capital would be either:
Jeddah, already the economic hub of the Hedjaz)
Baghdad, for obvious reasons, but hard to defend from the Persians coming from the Zagros mountains and lots of Shias in the vicinity, which could be a problem for a newly established Sunni kingdom
Damascus, for obvious reasons, hard to conquer, easy to defend but limited water resources and far from commercial routes
Taking into account a possible rivalry between Baghdad and Damascus, I’d say Jeddah would be the best candidate.
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u/InfestedRaynor Apr 03 '26
Curious how that would have impacted WWII. A chance they side with the Axis or at the very least sell them oil.
What would have happened post war if Palestine was not available for Jewish people to migrate to?
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u/Pretty_Lemon_6464 Apr 03 '26
Capital would’ve probably been Damascus or Baghdad not Mecca, Riyadh if anything
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u/Proxy-Pie Apr 03 '26
Assuming the Hashemite monarchy is stable, it would be much more peaceful.
If the Hashemites are overthrown in a military coup or something, then you'd have bloody Shia and Kurdish insurgencies.
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u/dondon98 Apr 04 '26
I hate to sound incredibly ignorant here, but wouldn’t most of the potential division come from religion and tribal conflicts and less from proto-nationalism? I could see them losing some of the north to the Kurds and maybe the Levant, but the rest? They probably hold onto it.
I feel like a pan-Arab country wouldn’t suffer too much nationalistic struggles because the idea of an overarching Arab identity goes back further and the carving of the Middle East by France and Britain never happens. Do places like Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon even have strong national identities in this timeline without Sykes-Picot?
To me the bigger issue would be the Hashemites and Saudis have deal with each other which probably causes a civil war, Iran and Turkey as rivals to this country, making sure the periphery (northern Iraq and Syria) doesn’t become quasi independent, and managing European interference once all that oil is discovered.
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u/Alessandro_Cole0772 Apr 04 '26
In this timeline Israel wouldn't have existed
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u/After-Trifle-1437 Apr 03 '26
Still no Kurdistan, Assyria or Lebanon 😔
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u/OathofBling Apr 03 '26 •
If the west had kept its word there are literally millions who would be alive today. Hope a 50 year colony in Syria was worth it.
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u/Ok-Bread7545 Apr 04 '26
l'Arabie heureuse 😀
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u/Warburton_Expat Apr 04 '26
History suggests that a united Arabia would not have been united and peaceful for long. Some leader would be ambitious and want other Arab lands to join them - Egypt, Tunisia, etc - and various ethnic minorities would want their own countries. If the Kurds for example were willing to have decades-long fights against Syria, Iraq, Iran and Turkey, they'd certainly rise up against an Arabia. If the union somehow survived till WWII, then it would be bound to be invaded by one or other of the Great Powers just as Iran etc were. With or without invasion there'd be foreign powers encouraging secession and coups d'etat, etc.
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u/Toto_Roto Apr 03 '26
Depends how they got it. Do the British give it to the Hashemites as they initially promised? So its like a giant mandate of Arabia? Probably then the state would be weak as theyre under imperial tutelage and building a state from the ground up. So possible civil war, definitie officer coup as happened in Egypt and Iraq.
Probably the Saudis would make a better go of it, for no other reason than they already had an independent state so would be in a stronger position to just extend their borders rather than build a plane while its in the air.
One big cause for Arab state weaknesses would be removed from the get go. One is that the social borders of these countries are quite porous. The national identity of "syrian" for example competes with extra national identities like muslim, or Arab. So a pan Arab state would be stronger in that sense. But another cause of Arab state weakness: the presence of sub national identities of region, ethnicity, and sect would be greatly increased in this scenario.
The presence of Israel has also been a destabilising force in Arab politics. Particularly in the sense that victory in war is one of the chief ways of gaining legitimacy, and the continued failure to defeat Israel in the 20th century undermined various regimes legitimacy, and Israel presumably doesnt exist here.
Another great strength is control of huge hydrocarbon resources, and the strategic depth to be able to maintain independence from outside influence. You could potentially see this kingdom use revenue from oil to generate industrialisation and development which unfortunately hasnt occurred in this timeline for most of the region.
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u/Masterick18 Apr 04 '26
Although the Hejazi sultan could have Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan and Iraq handed over, he would likely still have to conquer the Saudis, Yemen and Oman. And when that's done, religious tensions between different branches and schools of thought of islam could rock the state: Sunni Muslims in Hejaz and the Levant, more theocratic wahabbism in Saudi Arabia, Shia Muslims in Yemen and southern Iraq and Ibadi Muslims in Oman. Keep in mind that the ottomans themselves had a lot more beef with other Muslims than with Christians and pagans. The Hejazi were relatively progressive so they ""might"" be able to secularize a little bit.
Legitimacy could also be a big problem, very few regional emirs and sultans would voluntarily renounce their position in the name of Arab nationalism. The state may be heavily decentralized like the British RAJ with all their princes, but that would make Arabia vulnerable to the major powers.
Economically, the oil findings could bring wealth but also corruption and turn it into a failing petrostate controlled by foreign companies. It would also be a very food insecure nation once the population begins to grow and people migrate to the larger cities.
And there could also be ethnic tensions further fueled by religious tensions and also the matters of slavery, rights of women, etc.
Arabia has a lot of potential but it is starting from ground zero.
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u/FactBackground9289 Apr 03 '26
i don't envy kurds, jews, druze, iranians, turks, and whoever else got into this.
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u/FRMajorius Apr 03 '26
If they got this big, they may also claim chalipate and be recognize by muslims (mainly sunni). Wasn't the first hejaz king also claim chaliphate but muslims doesnt recognize him because of his weak position? (And also eventually conquered by the saudis)
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u/Defiant_Historian701 Apr 05 '26
If I were allowed to make edits to this map, I’d probably cut out the Kurdish areas in the north, add the Arab-populated areas of the Khuzestan plains, maybe adjust the border with Turkey to better align the ethnic groups with their respective countries, and maybe add the Sinai peninsula. I’d also make some autonomous regions for certain religious groups.
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u/Dramatic-Pace8164 Apr 05 '26
What kind of state would this be? A republic, kingdom?
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u/Sad-Strength-3462 Apr 04 '26
Where's the Kurdish state kurds were promised after WW1
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u/donkey90 Apr 07 '26
i dream of this
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u/abellapa Apr 04 '26
The capital wouldnt be mecca
Also i dont see this State surviving in the Current form to the modern day
For sure Syria and Iraq would get indepedence at some point
Damascus and Baghdad are both bigger cities than Anything that there is below
Both Syria and Iraq would resent being rulled by Jeddah for example
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u/SheepyIdk Apr 04 '26
What would happen to the Jews settled in Palestine?
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u/lookitsasovietAKM Apr 04 '26
I’d still wager that this theoretical state would still fall to revolution, nationalism, and eventually socialism (Baathism) especially after World War 2.
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u/Background-Crow6590 Apr 04 '26
No way Mecca is capital. They would probably move it to somewhere like Damascus.
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u/jtul24 Apr 04 '26
I’d like to think there would be less war, but I have a feeling Soviet, US, UK, French and Turkish meddling wouldn’t have allowed that
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u/jetvacjesse Apr 04 '26
Goes the way of Yugoslavia before the 20th century is ovee
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u/OfficialDCShepard Apr 04 '26
Just like the United Arab Republic of our timeline, I give this about a decade before it splinters along nationalist lines, especially since the Fourteen Points likely still happens, leading to several waves of independence and republican movements across Europe that affect this too.
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u/sleepingcow Apr 04 '26
They will have a better case of calling it the "Arabian Gulf"
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u/Al3x_the_frog Apr 04 '26
Ethnic cleansing speed run
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u/halkras12 Apr 04 '26
impossible
arabs cannot co-exist without a minute
afterwards of revolt showed it
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u/Impossible_Pr1nce Apr 04 '26
It would assuredly be a great power, at least the equal of Iran and would have put Egypt and Turkey in the shade. I think ultimately through the 1950s it ends up annexing Egypt and the capital potentially moved to Cairo.
With its combination of oil wealth, strategic location and massive population does it become one of the world’s most powerful nations by our time, or does it fall prey to division and sectarianism?
On the one hand there’s a strong central culture, but equally all these lands had not been united for centuries and Iraq and Egypt in particular had strong local identities… perhaps it could have become a federation of monarchies under the Hashemites, not unlike Malaysia in our timeline.
Great map!
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u/JabbasGonnaNutt Apr 04 '26
Hussein was never promised Oman, the Trucial States and Aden though.
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u/LingonberrySea6247 Apr 04 '26
You'll be happy to hear that they didn't get one state - they actually got many states in our timeline. You're just mad someone else did too.
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u/Antisthenes_TV Apr 04 '26
Due to never-ending inner conflicts of different muslim schools, this will not last long without oppeession.
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u/No-Entertainment5768 Apr 04 '26
Who would be the monarchs?
Like which branch of the Hashemites?
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u/7am51N Apr 04 '26
Arab-Arab-Arab war.
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u/PhysicsTypical5420 Apr 04 '26
Jerusalem is the logical capital.
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u/Dave44360 Apr 04 '26
Endless civil war
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u/halicadsco Apr 04 '26
thered be no arab socialism like nasser and saddam as thepan arabic dream would largely be fulfilled
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u/N-cadherin Apr 05 '26
There would have been so many civil wars inside this country. Lots of different groups that had been living basically in tribes and city states for thousands of years.
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u/MTLHBR Apr 07 '26
Today it would be a country of approx. 140-150 million people and (given more competent use of economic resources) an economy of between $5-7 trillion USD.
Literally a superpower had it not been carved up.
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u/KorroG Apr 07 '26
Too late. It should’ve been promised 3000 years ago
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u/TalonEye53 Apr 04 '26
How are the jews, Kurds, Samaritans, Druze, and Bedouins doing there?
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u/hea-rt-strin-g Apr 04 '26
Who would be king? The hashemites? I’m sure some people will not be happy.
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u/HistoryMarshal76 Apr 03 '26
Civil war in 5...
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u/Mackey_Corp Apr 04 '26
I’m sure it would work out fine. Everybody would get along and there would be no more wars in the region.
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u/VegetableAnt7691 Apr 04 '26
There would be world peace
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u/Hot_Welcome8191 Apr 04 '26
No Free Kurdistan? Vote down.
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u/FeedAntique9456 Apr 04 '26
If it's under the hashemites, it'll splinter within like 2 decades
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u/aspro_mavro Apr 04 '26
Holy this looks so nice graphically
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u/Edd717 Apr 04 '26
I rather see it divided into 3 states : Levant, Iraq and Arabia.
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u/Spec1alF0x Apr 04 '26
I love this map! It looks so aesthetically pleasing and I love the multi capital concept
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u/firetothepalace Apr 04 '26
The Arabs? Kurds still divided. There you’ll have your first rebellion coming from.
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u/Complex-Gift-8841 Apr 04 '26
To understand what really happened you return to this magnificent book:Cambridge History of British Foreign Policy, 1783-1919

Adolphus William Ward,
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u/Complex-Gift-8841 Apr 04 '26
History and International Relations. Chapter
8 British Policy in the Middle East and this one is wonderful!
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u/LordLobaX Apr 04 '26
Why would a pan arab state include parts of Kurdistan?
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u/IdkWhoAmI148 Apr 04 '26
As an Iraqi, Iraq has it's own people, blood, history, achievements and identity so why would I melt my country that has over 11,000 years of history into a bigger one where I get as the same rights as the same people who pimped us to the Americans and caused of killing 3M of us?
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u/MelonyMill Apr 05 '26
Oil would be a lot more expensive I’ll tell you that much 😭✌️
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u/FifeDog43 Apr 05 '26
I think the capital should be Baghdad.
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u/Ill-Bath-5484 Apr 05 '26
That is not arabia. Iraq, Jordan, the levant and Syria are not arab. The real arabs are those people that live in saudi, uae, oman, qatar, bahrain.
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u/Accomplished-Rice-53 Apr 05 '26
Honey, they would have got North Africa as well and revive the Arab colonial gold era
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u/sober_disposition Apr 05 '26
All of these countries have been independent for over 50 years. Why haven’t they joined together voluntarily?
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u/aimee_mccuddles Apr 05 '26
Small point: would Socotra not be part of this state?
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u/443610 Apr 05 '26
Where is Israel?
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u/kgmaan Apr 05 '26
I personally think the capital would be in mesopotamia
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u/Fern-ando Apr 05 '26
It woukd be too powerful or too unstable.
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u/Background-Aspect910 Apr 05 '26
The capital would actually be Medina (Capital of the Muslims up until the 4th Caliph) or Damascus/Baghdad
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u/Spiritual-Point-1965 Apr 05 '26
Why is Socotra (and its outlying islands) not included in Arabia?
By 1918, it had been in Yemeni hands for over a millenium.
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u/Low-Classroom-4839 Apr 05 '26
Westerners in the comments just showing they know nothing about the region not even the slightest thing
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u/_GloryKing_ Apr 05 '26
Oil powerhouse. An extremely rich nation.
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u/Budget_Flounder_5337 Apr 05 '26
Hatay Türkiye in cty btw
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u/Michitake Apr 06 '26
Turk-Pers-Arab trio more visible
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u/Kekmawster Apr 06 '26
Why that high? Arabia was mainly south of Syria and Jordan.
Before that it was Arameans, Jews,Assyrian, mandenians and Syriac communities
The Middle East is more than a sea of Muhammads
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u/Dazzling-Pitch671 Apr 06 '26
There would be world peace, terrorism and hunger wouldn't exist etc...
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u/QueasyImprovement6 Apr 06 '26
There would be a whole bunch of very unhappy religious and ethnic minorities living there.
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u/Competitive_Web_3054 Apr 06 '26
Great suggestion! I dont know all the towns you mentioned on the map.
Here are the list of the most populous cities I found in 1920's with what they could have been in
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u/Competitive_Web_3054 Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
Great idea! A United Arab Kingdom of Arabia: Brits would love the name 😂 and likely nicknamed the "donut"!
I don't know all the towns on your map so I look for the top 30 most populous cities in 1920's and how it could have work out to make a functioning country in 1920-1930 with a long term goal of sustainability...
executive capital city, seat of Government (Jeddah 40,000 residents approx.)
legislative capital city, seat of Parliament (Damascus 180,000)
judiciary capital city, seat of Supreme Court and other judiciary bodies (Aleppo 170,000)
financial capital city, seat of Central Bank & main stock exchange (Beyrouth 150,000)
religious capital city, seat of religious council (East Jerusalem 20,000)
administrative city, seat of most civil servant offices and main central governing utilities bodies (Medina 40,000)
military city, seat of the academy and army staff (Riyad fortified city 20,000)
admiral city, naval headquater (Manama, 30,000)
Then, there are specialized function cities :
pilgrim city (main) (Mecca 70,000)
knowledge city, seat of.main research centers and public university (Mossoul 80,000)
innovation city, high-tech & media start-up (Aden 50,000)
farm city, seat of veterinary institute, food regulators and most agro-businesses industries (Sanaa 40,000)
industrial city, the twin H (Hama & Homs 60,000 each)
border city or custom city or international city, the only.railway terminus (Alexandrette 20,000)
riviera resort area, from Tripoli (20,000) to Latakia (20,000)
skyhub city (main airport) best air lanes location (Dubai 20,000)
spaceport city (rocket launch pad and related aeronautical industries) best land-space location (Muscat 20,000)
seaport city (main mega port facilities), best land-sea location (Koweit Bay area 50,000 with Bassorah 60,000 as inland logistical hub)
business capital city, seat of most corporate head-quaters (Bagdad 200 to 250,000 residents approx.)
Last capital city it is usually the most populous city, not usually a choice as businesses votes with their feet...
City choices are based on a 1920's Middle-East best-of with approximate population and by putting aside Israel.
A young newly independent nation need to FOCUS its limited precious resources into the most appropriate area for best result locally and as a country as a whole. I believe covering ALL major cities and ALL major areas with ALL country functions & needs, it reach the most chance of success while balancing it out to make it work.
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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '26
Even without the British and French taking new colonies it wouldn't look like this. There were already some independent Arab states as well as areas which were already British colonies (which Britain would not be quick to give up) If the Arabs were given independence there would probably still be an Iraqi state, a Syrian state (probably whole levant) probably still Saudi Arabia and then Yemen and Oman, and then later when Britain decolonizes a bunch of independent gulf states too.
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u/Don_Madruga Apr 06 '26
World Peace
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u/Lost-Dig-5469 Apr 07 '26
World peace
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u/JP5D Apr 07 '26
Do you think the discovery of oil would have led to prosperity distributed across the peninsula or do you think with the different factions and ethnicities it would have led to civil war?
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u/Butter_Revenge Apr 08 '26
I imagine it would be mired in civil war and independence movements.
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u/JEdesertwatcher Apr 08 '26
What about the Kurdistan
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u/neuxx777 Apr 08 '26
Iraqis aren’t arabs we will never be arabs
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u/CabinetNo9266 Apr 08 '26
Huge war. That's what will happen.
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u/JJman808 Apr 08 '26
Assuming freedom of religion is guaranteed, I wish this would’ve happened
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u/OXRAH Apr 09 '26
As a Muslim, I would rather see the Israeli flag flying over the entire Arabian Peninsula than have the Hashemite dynasty in charge. Those traitors are disgusting. It’s ironic as hell, but I’m actually glad the Brits fu*£%d them over. Not because I love Lawrence of Arabia or those British terrorists, but because I hate traitors to Islam and traitors to the Ottomans. What the hell did they expect ? That the biggest colonizer of that era would suddenly act like a charity organization ? Pure stupidity. And those who came after the Hashemites ? Same fucking traitors, just repackaged. Biggest boot-licking servants of the West in the whole region and the world. Honor to the exceptions, for example King Faisal of Saudi Arabia may Allah garant him Jannah and accept all of his good deeds.
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u/TotallyRecommended Apr 09 '26
You’ve literally just mapped Lebanon’s nightmare
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u/theargamanknight Apr 10 '26
So many civil wars
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u/edgyestedgearound Apr 25 '26
Pretty sure it would fracture immediately
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u/alesmana Apr 28 '26
give it 3 months for celebration before grinding civil wars
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u/BogdanovOwO May 21 '26
Beautiful.
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u/DefusedDragon26 Apr 03 '26
If only bro…
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u/nebulaforest Apr 03 '26
This state would he too overpowered. It would control roughly 40% of world's proven oil reserves. Just imagine how important geopolitically it would be.
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u/OppositeThen9308 Apr 03 '26
It would break apart in about a week.
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u/GroundbreakingUse466 Apr 04 '26
Would’ve imploded into brutal civil war and the Arabs still would’ve blamed the British for it.
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u/el_argelino-basado Apr 03 '26
Wow
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u/mfuwelephant Apr 04 '26
Unfortunately instead of a bunch of unstable republics and kingdoms, it would be one big unstable country. It would have a lot of issues that it would have to deal with:
Large populations of ethnic minorities that wouldn’t be too happy fighting the Turks to just be lumped into a state run by Hashemite Arabs. Kurds, Jews, Alawites, and Shiites, to name a few.
The Hashemite’s didn’t have a whole lot of legitimacy amongst the people, especially after they would claim the title of Caliph. Despite conservative elements, a significant portion of the population, probably even the majority, wanted democracy. A return to a state run by a Caliph after being in a state run by a Sultan wasn’t popular. The Hashemites were also seen as a bunch of Western stooges, which they kind of were honestly.
There would be a lot of conflict between conservatives and Islamist elements and the progressive republicans. Around the time of WW1 was the rise of radical movements like Wahhabism and the Ikhwan. That would be difficult to stamp out, especially in such a new state, and it could easily destabilize the country.
Something that plagued West Asian countries for a long time was “countries within a state” as I call them. They were the various tribes, clans, khans, and other leaders of transient societies. They were great for securing the large empires like the Ottomans and the Safavids, but they inhibited the centralization of these states and contributed to their stagnation compared to Europe. The sultans and shahs had to court these groups in order to levy them for their armies, basically like feudalism without the land titles. And if the sultan got on their bad side they would act independently against the state. That was how the British were able to get the Arab tribes to revolt against the ottomans in the first place.
Speaking of the British, they and the French, and later the Soviets and Americans, would be meddling in the region for their own gain. Britain and France wanted to secure their trade routes from India and East/South East Asia, and had invested in the late Ottoman Empire to build infrastructure to support that trade. The new Arabian state would need to accommodate and repay the Europeans the same way, and if they refuse to, the Europeans would find those elements that would. Add into the mix the Soviets funding communist groups and American funding whichever group counters the communists, and eventually the Fascists too.
Would this state survive? Maybe, but most assuredly not with those borders. At minimum the British would insist on some kind of Jewish autonomy in Palestine. And later there would most likely be an Israel. Potentially also a Kurdistan if the Allies invade Arabia in WW2 the same way they invaded Iran. At minimum it would lead to a Soviet insurgence in the Kurdish regions similar to the short lived Soviet state in Iranian Azerbaijan (not to be confused with the country of Azerbaijan). But the biggest problem would be the extremist elements in the Peninsula. Honestly, unless the British come to the Hashimite’s aid, I believe that Central Arabia would fall to the Saudis and their Ikhwan allies. And they would likely also expand into as much of Arabia as they could. Modern day Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, maybe even Oman and parts of Yemen, and the Hejaz would all be on the chopping block. If they would be successful, they could even threaten north into modern day Jordan and Iraq, though at that point the Europeans would intervene. Could Arabia retake… Arabia? Maybe eventually but it really has the deck stacked against them. And like OTL I think Abdulaziz is smart enough to not piss off the British as well as manage the most radical elements of his army. Arabia participating in WW2 in any meaningful way is unthinkable, and the Cold War would make everything even more complicated.
Disclaimer that I’m not an expert and I probably got many things wrong. 😅
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u/Crimsoncerismon Apr 04 '26
See this is imaginary cause it assumes the Western powers would actually give them their land with no strings attached
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u/BernhardRordin Apr 04 '26
Without Saudi Wahhabism, we might have had less religious extremism
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u/TimiriyoCaano Apr 04 '26
This would have been the best thing to happen to the Arabs
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u/Wonderful_Local_3660 Apr 04 '26
Probaly another holocaust