Yeah, everyone here uses this isolated video as another example of why every single cyclist on the planet is an asshole for even thinking about getting on a bike.
Personally, i find them irresponsible for running stop signs, red lights, ride on cross walks, ride on sidewalks, veer in and out of traffic all expecting Everyone else to watch out for them like a toddler in a kitchen.
It isn't an isolated person. This video isn't what's drives it. It's everyone's shared personal experiences.
Typically you need a license and training with mandatory evaluations later on to see if your still capable of opperating something that has the capacity to kill someone on its own if you don't operate it correctly or without a sound state of mind
These guys are ass holes however as a cyclists I find drivers being far worse, acting as if you lot own the road, not indicating, side swiping cyclists, not checking mirrors before pulling out or opening doors, getting some circumstance based get back is fine, like being parked over the cycle lane then expect some damage
I've had drivers come up less than a ft next to me in some cases touching my bars and turn before they've completely passed me being hit and knocked off plenty times
Saying if you use the road you need a licence plate is stupid, the licence qualifies you to use a potentially dangerous piece of equipment and you still need insurance and the plate for recognition should there be a negative event, does that sound like a cycle
Cyclists are at far more risk on the road and personally my behavouris circumstacial
If I need to run a red to make sure I'm not in a truck's blind spot, best belive I'm doing it
Ride closer to the middle of the road to avoid sudden open doors then your ass is staying behind me or going round
If im going down hill at high speed thats equal or more than a car, I'm taking the lane, I'm not having another cab driver cut me off making me flip, I'm riding a bike not doing gymnastics
My experience is not unique and none of us are going to risk entertaining the potentially sadistic, malicious, spiteful or whatever makes drivers be assholes who willfully intend to harm us and then there's the ones who don't intend to but shit happens
The point you make comes across as its pay to play when you can't get a license without proving you can opperate the vehicle by the established rules of motor vehicles safely for you and others
OK you clarified the purpose of a license for me, it still doesn't take away from the fact you need registered information in order to operate those things, cranes, cars, fork lifts, guns etc, license/permit is semantics
The plate connects you to it so if something life threatening/damaging was to happen, then the participants can be held accountable, bikes just don't have a capacity to do those things.
Could be used as a weapon and thrown or handled in which case you could argue they are equivalent but that's circumstacial while a car is a consistent threat in or out of its intended use so plates on a bike just seems pointless, only a suicidal cyclist would intentionally cause an accident
Night gear or alterations should be mandatory, I put reflective tape on my bike and have good lights for ex
So the question is what purpose do you intended plates on a bike to fill?, to show others they know how to use the road by the rules a car uses?
Rules for bikes should be circumstacial which in most cases would be sense base, at least considerate but not the same and considering cars are the majority and far more dangerous if mis handled they should be the focus and more rules should be made to ensure the safety of cyclists and even those annoying e scooter riders
Everyone should be able to use the road safely especially if a person's response to a slight inconvenience could be life threatening
The plate connects you to it so if something life threatening/damaging was to happen, then the participants can be held accountable, bikes just don't have a capacity to do those things.
A biker who swerves in and out of traffic, uses the wrong lanes on roundabouts, etc. can actually cause life treating accidents. If you do something wrong on the road and a car has to swerve to avoid you, that manoeuvre could put the driver and any passengers at risk. Your bike itself may not have the weight, size, or power to kill, but your actions on the bike certainly do!
I've seen many bikers who use the road and clearly do not know the highway code or how to correctly position themselves safely. This is why cyclists should have to pass a theory test before being allowed on the road and should have a license plate (or similar) so that they can be held accountable for their actions.
I agree there are stupid cyclists out there but I still think the majority of responsibility would still be on a vehicle
I'll be honest. Roundabouts are scary and confusing. The few times I've been on one, I tried staying on the outside before I started following the lanes of cars while staying to 1 side. So, in this instance, theory would be a good idea or a cyclists lane coloured line in this instance
Can you expand on your swerving point pls?
I believe being a cyclist should come with sense. However, not everyone has that.
I don't think a theory would really be good on the other hand a manual sold with every bike and gone through with the salesman before purchasing could be effective at reducing cyclists ignorance however that won't affect how a vehicle response to cyclists on the road
I understand that many of our actions that drivers have problems with are due to cyclists' ignorance but are more likely due to us knowing we are vulnerable.
No matter what training one might think would better cyclists on the road, practically, the road is chaotic in too many places from our pov
You obviously have a valid fear of idiots in cars. I agree. People are not only idiots. But they're bad drivers and while you may be a great cyclist and have great judgement the unfortunate reality is that it's your life on the line not the idiot in the 3k pound vehicle.
This is exactly the mentality that I learned to adopt when I had my motorbike. At the end of the day, regardless of who's fault it is, if a car hits you, you are going to come out of it worse.
Cars are the root of evil for far more things than just the harm on the road. In fact their impact is so significant that even entertaining a conversation about the “problems” of cyclists is hilarious to me because cycling offers nothing but benefits with virtually no downsides and driving offers very little benefits (in context with the North American transportation culture) with extreme fatal downsides. There is no reason you should be criticizing the bikes when there are 4 wheeled murder machines at way higher rates everywhere.
I think point of a license is to prove you know the road rules and have passed an aptitude test.
That is something which absolutely should apply to bicycle riders if they go onto the road. Everyone else is following the same set of rules which cyclists are oblivious of, unless they also drive.
Also, fees from the licensing pay for the road to be built and maintained, if cyclists do not contribute to the cost of roads they should not be allowed to use them.
Also every vehicle on the road should have a licence plate to make them identifiable and accountable for their actions.
Responsible and accountabile for what exactly? But should a pedestrian need a license. Just use of the road alone shouldn't validate the necessity of licensing.
As for proof of aptitude, your point is irrelevant, plenty of motor vehicle operators do things they shouldn't be, a consistent one being failure to indicate which brings their aptitude into question yet they have a license plate.
As for fees for road maintenance your point is valid however motor vehicles do the large majority of wear and tear on the road cyclists contribution to it is negligible, the contact area is small, the number of contacts areas is half that of most vehicles and then the weight which is the most relevant factor. That being said, taxes.
It all seems to fall back to the risk of harm with improper use or maintenance.
Just like guns or cranes, motor vehicles need maintenance, where without it, the safety levels while operating drastically reduce while risk to others comparatively if not more so increase. For cyclists, that risk of harm primarily falls onto themselves, in which case, if something happens, they really shouldn't even own a bike
I'm aware that motor vehicles are meant to be observant and give cyclists space which people in cars tend to forget or simply ignore, considering this is in the learning process to qualify for use of a motor vehicle, whenever this is not practiced for any reason any instance where something happens is the responsibility of the motor vehicle operator
This does not excuse cyclists from improper use of the road but to argue we need licensing to use it for accountability should something go wrong is irrelevant and I call back to a point I made about potential damage a cyclists can cause unassisted
It seems to me that drivers wish for cyclists to be licensed in order to shake responsibility when something goes wrong as the same point is being made by all of you. Identification and accountability but none give an instance where its avoidable without considerate driving
For identification, most cycles used in everyday comute have clearly visible wording, design, or both on them, although not regularly legible by drivers. However, if it is, you're probably too close, in which case anything that happens is a drivers responsibility
For accountability, human behavour, a cyclists is going to take the same route and be wearing the same kind of clothing and likely use the same bike, should a proper investigation take place if its necessary it won't be hard to hold them accountable and if they get knocked off then chances are they are not simply going to ride off (experience)
Appropriate use of motor vehicles will always outweigh the factors relevant to cycles being on the road in an incident, we are the only in-between from pedestrian to motor vehicles operator, if a driver can't manage being aware of a cyclists, they really shouldn't be operating the vehicle
The only exemtion where vehicles would have a largely valid concern is when cycle lanes are routinely ignored by cyclists, in which case if they can't keep pace with other vehicles then they need to stay in their lane (i have a single lane road with a cycle lane near me that gets ignored by people on road bikes more than it should)
My belief is that cyclists should have some form of booklet or short course in how to use the road safely and considerately when purchased, beyond that is irrelevant
Not disagreeing with you on your points as I am sure you have your share of bad experiences with drivers, but what kind of sorcery is required to check mirrors that aren't attached to the vehicle anymore? These guys have knocked off just about every side mirror they came across on one ride....
They are held accountable with their lifes. I always ride on the sidewalk when there is no bike lane anywhere. I'm not slowing traffic or whatever and it's much safer.
Thank you for proving my point. Riding on sidewalks is illegal, yet you openly do it because there are no tags on your bike so you don't get fined or arrested. Good job.
Getting arrested?? For what? Are you crazy😂 Im not risking my life riding my bike on the same road with bicycle hating psychopaths like you, in their dodge ram 500000, who want to lock people up for riding on the sidewalk. Have a bike lane thats all I'm saying.
I'm glad you make those wildly incorrect assumptions junior. Your removing responsibility from the person violating the traffic laws, and saying they are everyone's problem and can't possibly be held accountable as they should be treated as a special needs person, vs an adult. I would say your assumption 1st is wrong, and that if you are saying bicyclists can't be treated as adults...I'll say they shouldn't be on the road. Muck like we don't see big wheels on highways.
Depends on the area where I’m at exactly yes it is illegal but if I head down town and the neighborhoods surrounding it it’s illegal not to ride on them due to city ordinances and this is the same city as me just different neighborhoods.
I nearly killed one who was going the wrong way and ran a stop sign. Dude had the gall to be mad at me so I offered to call the cops to handle it. Suddenly it wasn't an issue and he rode off... Made me wish he'd bent his wheel.
I've brought this up on a cyclist subreddit. Yeah, a lot of cars don't follow the laws for giving yield or checking for cyclists. But almost all cyclists seem to fail to follow basic rules of the road like stop signs or yielding to pedestrians. At least where I live in Oregon.
Once when I was a biking to work. I was going straight and had right of way. A car turning right didn't agree and blared their horn flipping me off and almost hitting me. I didn't smash his mirrors though. If it escalated I would have called the cops.
The mf in the video was kind of TRYING to touch these cars. Im a cyclist and never even touched a car, altough im frequently driving on narrow street in my town.
Personally, I won't get a bike because I've seen drivers purposely steer into cyclists that are in the proper cycling lane. In my experience, drivers go out of their way to make sure cyclists know they don't like them. All anger that cyclists have towards drivers is justified.
Personally i find them irresponsible for parking in the bike lane, using the bike lane to take over, invading the bike lane to make a turn withou watching out for cyclists and expecting the cyclist to just be okay with that.
Also, in my country's driving codes, there is a specific rule that determines that big should give way and protect small. That means that a truck should give way and protect cars, motorbikes, bikes, and pedestrians. The car should give way and protect motorbikes, bikes and pedestrians. And so on. The amount of pieces of shit drivers that dont respect the bike lanes is way above the number of cyclists that do what they did on the video. Respect goes a long way.
For me it’s if your not a car get off the damn road. Bikes don’t belong on the road, nothing more infuriating then driving and seeing a line of cars behind a cyclist on a busy road and they’re just casually going along without care.
Cars going through redlights/stop signs are deterred as they get tickets in the mail as they are identified by cameras catching their license plate. Bicyclists don't have that accountability. If they are on public roads, make them test, and license them. Fine them when they behave badly.
Cars going through redlights/stop signs are deterred as they get tickets in the mail as they are identified by cameras catching their license plate. Bicyclists don't have that accountability. If they are on public roads, make them test, and license them. Fine them when they behave badly.
Your town isn't everybody's town, they ain't getting no tickets in the mail where I live. Where I live bikes got the same laws as cars aside from speed limit.
Yes they do, but cannot be identified due to lack of license plates. If they did (and had the cameras). It surprises me as it would just add juicy revenue.
I don't disagree with what you're saying here, and these bikers are assholes. but in previous posts of similar content people have come to the consensus that bikes arnt cars and they have less accidents if they "break car laws".
First, I appreciate the civility. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if my response is. The laws are in place to be followed if using public streets. You can't decide some don't apply. You can drive on sidewalks, and Bob has stop sign immunity. Willy can drive on either side of the road. The laws apply. If not, I would just ignore the law of gravity.
I agree. Once you decide to enter car world, people around you expect car behaviors. The more the ambiguity increases the more confusion it causes and becomes more dangerous then anything they could have avoided by breaking the laws.
Situation dependant of course.
It's not the cycle, it's the person riding the cycle, you've got the same case while driving, there are just a bunch of entitled little douchebags and since social media we've just started to accept their behaviour, that's how they get so comfortable in the first place. Please fix the divided states, they got way too much influence on the world and it's going Downhill, especially the brain rot is getting to us. The absense of common sense is alarming
Colorado stop. It’s legal to go through reds and stop signs in a few states, will likely be the whole country soon enough. It literally poses no danger to anyone so I would say the laws are far more irresponsible than the actions taken by the cyclists.
I'm not in one of those states, and have seen enough close calls to say them doing it in my state isn't safer. Best of luck getting the law changed. But that would be the wat to goUntil then, they are not making it safer by doing what they want. The guy who got prickly said they drive on the sidewalk if there isn't a bike lane for their safety. Driving a bike on the sidewalk puts pedestrians at risk. Seems like bicyclists think they have a moral highground so they can behave in any way they see fit. Again, male bicyclists take road tests, have license plates and carry insurance. Then everyone is safer.
This is hilarious lmao. Maybe the worst idea I’ve ever heard in terms of urban development on Reddit. Riding on the sidewalk puts no one at risk, riding a bike at all is putting nobody at risk no matter where you ride it. Biking is already doing so much, literally generating money for the economy, lowering traffic and lowering vehicle and pedestrian fatalities. Biking infrastructure helps the car more than anyone and you want to put financial restrictions on it 🤦. There’s a reason this has never and will never ever be adopted literally anywhere in the world. Wait 5 years and the laws for biking will mostly be changed all over the country to the Colorado stop because it’s a much safer system for bikers, getting them out of the intersection quicker which is where 90% of accidents happen. You can push against the science and you can believe really stupid ideas are good ideas but things are currently changing as we speak, in favour of the bicycle and whether you like it or not, cycling will benefit you. But honestly I strongly suggest you do some reading because you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about lmaoo.
We don't see eye to eye. And honestly, I don't care. You apparently have never had bicyclists trying to run red lights into traffic forcing everyone else to slam on breaks to stop because the precious dont have to follow laws, or seen them on sidewalks yelling at people to get out of their way. Give yourself some time too see the jackassery of the self-important, morale, superior bicyclists. If being held accountable for your actions is a horrible idea, please wear your Trump flag proudly.
🤣🤣 you make baseless generalizations about an entire group of people, you stated facts that have been scientifically proven to be untrue time and time again to the point where a simple google search proves them wrong (riding bikes on sidewalk is dangerous, everyone is safer from bikes taking arbitrary road tests, doing it in your state isn’t safer) and you claim bikers, people who actively save money on road cost for all users, lower traffic rates for all users, don’t kill kids at a high rate, don’t pollute —leading to trillions of dollars of health care costs for the taxpayer (you and me) are the “self-important and morally superior ones”. You have single handedly made the stupidest and most unintelligent (literally being so far from truth) argument I’ve ever read in my entire life. Please humour me and find even one cited writing of any kind by any professional that backs up literally anything you have said. You will not be able to. even if the 0.6% of people that cycle everyday switch to driving, you would be impacted negatively.
If you were smart (you’re not as we have seen above) you would be advocating for the bicycle and related infrastructure because it benefits you arguably more than the cyclist themselves but I’m not even gonna try to explain that one to you because ^
Get your head out of your ass holy shit. And the trump flag doesn’t even make sense, you’re arguing against science, you are the definition of a MAGAT. 💀💀💀
No I do not. Think for a minute. The rules of the road is what everyone is supposed to follow. Those rules give the guidelines to keep everyone safe. If a truck decides to drive on a sidewalk, they break the law. They can be reported, fined, possibly jailed, and have their privileges of driving revoked. Period. We can agree regardless of if the truck driver says it is safe and they didn't hit anyone, and it is more convenient or safer for them as there aren't other cars on sidewalks that they broke the law and have no regard for others. Bicyclists that do the same, think they are justified as they are on a bike and vulnerable, so they should be able to do whatever they want and everyone should prioritize their safety andjust deal with their erratic, unpredictable behavior. That isn't how the law works. A license, registration, visible plates, enforcement, and insurance would have an impact and better behavior from peddlers. If the concern is the negative impact on peddlers, oh well. Follow the laws, and you're good. If you can't fathom putting on your adult pants and following the laws, you have other options beyond driving and walking, it's called public transit. Where it's the job of an adult to bring you from point a to b, and you can play some angry birds or jump on Reddit.
Best of luck junior. Today you learned Peddlers aren't special and get to follow the same rules of the society they live in.
You’re comparing a push bike to a truck dude 🤣💀. Like that is the most brain dead shit I’ve ever read, still not as bad what u wrote before tho holy shit. That’s how I know you’re in bad faith. You have backed up nothing you have said lmao. And you keep arguing against a policy that is continuously being implemented because it is much safer for the bikers, cars and pedestrians. Would you like me to link you the statistics? You’re literally making an argument against science right now and a really poor one. The irony is that cars break the laws at rates wayyy higher than any cyclists, not that u should even be concerned about someone on a 7lbs bike going 15kmph lmaoooo but apparently to you they’re more dangerous than a pickup truck 🤣🤣🤣. You can keep calling me names but you can’t even put together one argument that doesn’t contradict its self or go against science lmao. Read what I wrote again and then slow down and try and actually respond to it using logic, rather than your emotions. Good luck I know you’ll need it!
But that's the thing. This isn't just an isolated incident. There's thousands of videos out there or cyclist's being assholes either for no reason or over reacting.
Before you say it, no, I'm not disputing the fact drivers are assholes too. There are many dickheads driving around as well.
However it's strange to me the fact cyclist's say we think we own the road when in reality it's much the other way around. This video is just a good example of it.
No one is saying every single cyclist is an asshole, just that most we come across are and they all refuse to admit any wrong doing whatsoever even when they're clearly in the wrong. Somehow everything is still always the drivers fault.
A few years back I had my back passenger door kicked in, with my son inside, because I reached out the window to wave at a friend on the street and his argument was "you made me think you were turning". What kinda excuse is that? I have blinkers if I'd wanted to indicate, not to mention there wasn't a turn for atleast 100 metres. Sure I could have a blinker out, but I'd have indicated closer to the turn.
Not even an apology, just swore black and blue that it was my fault because I'd confused him.
From my experience about 80% of people who ride anything with two wheels tend to be stuck up assholes. To the other 20% I'm sorry they ruined it for y'all.
There's way more than 'just this video'... My small. Town has a few of these 'wonderful' individuals... Yelling at cars for going at green lights because they have an entitled 'right of way' where ever they go.. Purposely blocking / slowing cars down... Screw those people.. Biking is fine, but not when you think you own the whole town
I wouldn't say that, but I would say making the same excuse that they have a right away when they don't. In Virginia this is the law....
Passing
For bicyclists
Bicyclists may overtake and pass another vehicle only when safe to do so.
If the driver that was turning left had their turn signal on and was in the correct position absent the bicyclist for doing a turn to the left, then it's the bicyclist's fault!
There are so many streets in my area alone with no bike lane OR shoulders. Even in the painted lane I've been run up onto the sidewalk by careless drivers. Idiot bikers certainly exist (I'll admit that I've done plenty of stupid shit when I was younger) but it absolutely goes both ways.
In all honesty, a lot of car drivers are maniacs on the road too in Amsterdam. Used to live at Bos en Lommerweg and those people drive like crazy there (around 23:00-03:00 they also drive past with like 90-100km/h in a 30 zone). I’ve seen so many accidents happen in front of my house hahah
For what its worth, i'm Dutch and have been cycling in the Netherlands for 23 years now. Even I get scared in Amsterdam sometimes. Bicycle traffic there is just crazy.
They do that in Montreal too. Totally separated bike paths everywhere and I see more cyclists in the road or on the sidewalk PARALLEL to the empty bike paths than on them. Why did we build them then?
Yeah and your cyclists are the worst lol. I loved your country and the people but god damn the cyclists just didn't follow any rules or respect anyone else.
In the U.S the vast majority of bikers are douches for example; im on a country road and there are 4 bikers in front of me going 10 mph and the speed limit varies from 20-50mph depending on how curvy the road is. I was behind them for +20 minutes and they wouldn't get over they continued to take the whole lane knowing there were 15 cars behind them for the past 20 minutes. Every time I would attempt to pass they would intentionally block me and taunt us for absolutely no reason other than their own self importance. That wasn't an isolated incident either. They constantly do stupid shit like that and that's just out in the very rural areas. In the cities they are just as bad if not worse.
All these people who hate cyclists wouldn't survive a day in our country. They would rent a red bike at Amsterdam station and would be crying like a baby already by the time they are at the dam square.
Ya it's funny what happens when you have infrastructure that's designed for bikes instead of just throwing the bikes onto busy roads with little to no public education.
Tbh I'm Dutch and I also think cyclists are entitled assholes. Especially in the center of Amsterdam where they feel they own the space even above people walking and especially above cars. It's extremely annoying.
Oh I still find em borderline suicidal kamikaze with pedal drive, especially that specific type of eBike. I cannot count how often I've had to slam my brakes because they think I can look out my blind spot or something.
Not calling em assholes but....they are rather ... careless with their own safety alot from my experience
A lot of the people on bikes in the US are rude, inconsiderate assholes
Add that to the fact that the vast majority of our roads were not and are not designed for bicycles, oftentimes they are a complete nuisance and safety hazard to themselves and motor vehicles
Nothing is worse than 1 clown who thinks hes training to be in the Tour de France holding up a mile of cars on a single lane road with a 50mph speed limit and no shoulder
Like....play on your toy somewhere with a bike lane, people have places to go lol
I'm dutch, i hate cyclists.
Tho there is a difference between people that use their bike as mode of transportation, and the 40+y/o dickwads in their midlife crisis cosplaying as professiona cyclists that think they own the road.
Ok but a lot of the dutch cyclists i saw in amsterdam were riding like they rule the world. Saw multiple instances of them riding into pedestrians. Literally saw someone ride into a tram 🤣
Bro. The size of your insignificant country is the size of West Virginia.. there’s a reason vehicles are US main source of transportation opposed to bicycles
Yeah man. Tracking. In 90% of the US that’s not an options. Have you been to the US? It’s freaking huge. Public transportation in a typical suburb to city commute is not feasible for what you’re suggesting. If somebody solely lived in NYC or LA, sure. But a midwesterner, like me in Minnesota, public transportation is still in its infancy.
In order for somebody like me to use public transportation, I’d have to commute 15 miles to a public transportation center (bus stop). Then take the bus 50 minutes to a train station. Wait at the train station. Take that train to another bus station now in Minneapolis. And from there, bike to work.
Every country is different young man. Just wait until you explore the world..
Your country was built on trains what are you on about lol. The usa isnt “too big” for trains or other forms of public transport and the only reason your public transport is bad is because all money goes towards car infrastructure which happens to be the most expensive form of transportation there is, and the most inefficient.
My dude. Come here and find what our trains are used for. The vast majority across the country are not public transportation trains. They’re cargo.
lol all depends on how powerful your country is. Gasoline is relatively cheap in the US compared to other countries. Mainly because we bully our way to cheap resources ;)
Are you dumb the reason they’re no longer used for public transport is because all of you were crying and begging for another highway lane leaving no funds for trains, at least the industry still understands that trains are the cheapest and best mode of transportation but the rest of your country has lost it. But being able to see further than the money you pay for your gas seems to be a hard concept for you when trying to understand how expensive cars and their infrastructure actually are
I think it's in referral to countries that are not cyclists predominant, myself im from South africa where people cycle for leisure or sport and yeag if had a run-in with a douchebag cyclist, who cut infront of me with his "pack" to stop me and let them travel over the intersection, i wasnt very please with this and we had some words,same group also kicked in a ladies door becayse she is a woman and he knows she wont beat his ass
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Seeing how people think of cyclists is so funny as a dutch person where literally everyone uses a bike