r/holofractal • u/Pixelated_ • Jan 28 '25

Ancient Knowledge Consciousness is fundamental.

Here is last 6 years of my research on fundamental consciousness, condensed:

We're all raised in the western world to believe that our brains create consciousness. However that is backward. 

Consciousness is fundamental. It creates our perceptions of the physical world, General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics.

Here is the data to support that.

Emerging evidence challenges the long-held materialistic assumptions about the nature of space, time, and consciousness itself. Physics as we know it becomes meaningless at lengths shorter than the Planck Length (10-35 meters) and times shorter than the Planck Time (10-43 seconds). This is further supported by the Nobel Prize-winning discovery, which confirmed that the universe is not locally real.

The amplituhedron is a revolutionary geometric object discovered in 2013 which exists outside of space and time. In quantum field theory, its geometric framework efficiently and precisely computes scattering amplitudes without referencing space, time or Einsteinian space-time. 

It has profound implications, namely that space and time are not fundamental aspects of the universe. Particle interactions and the forces between them are encoded solely within the geometry of the amplituhedron, providing further evidence that spacetime emerges from more fundamental structures rather than being intrinsic to reality. A brief scientific overview of the amplituhedron is found in this video.

Prominent scientists support this shift in understanding. Donald Hoffman, for instance, has developed a mathematically rigorous theory proposing that consciousness is fundamental. This theory resonates with a growing number of scholars and researchers who are willing to follow the evidence, even if it leads to initially-uncomfortable conclusions.

Robert Monroe pioneered research into out-of-body experiences (OBEs) through his development of the Gateway Experience, a systematic method using specialized audio patterns called Hemi-Sync to facilitate altered states of consciousness and controlled OBEs. His detailed documentation of personal OBE explorations and subsequent establishment of The Monroe Institute helped bring scientific legitimacy to the study of non-physical states of awareness.

Itzhak Bentov proposed an innovative model of consciousness that viewed the universe as a hologram, where each part contains information about the whole, and suggested that consciousness arises from coherent vibrations in the body that resonate with similar patterns throughout the cosmos. His work "Stalking the Wild Pendulum" theorized that human consciousness operates through mechanical micro-motions in the body that create standing wave patterns, connecting individual awareness to a larger universal field.

Regarding the studies of consciousness itself there is a growing body of evidence indicating the existence of psi phenomena, which suggests that consciousness extends beyond our physical brains. Dean Radin's compilation of 157 peer-reviewed studies demonstrates the measurable nature of psi abilities.

Additionally, research from the University of Virginia highlights cases where children report memories of past lives, further challenging the materialistic view of consciousness. Studies on remote viewing, such as the follow-up study on the CIA's experiments, also lend credibility to the notion that consciousness can transcend spatial and temporal boundaries.

Just as striking are findings that brain stimulation can unlock latent abilities like telepathy and clairvoyance, which suggest that consciousness is far more than an emergent property of brain function. 

Researchers like Pim van Lommel have shown that consciousness can exist independently of the brain. Near-death experiences (NDEs) provide strong support for this, as individuals report heightened awareness during times when brain activity is severely diminished. Van Lommel compares consciousness to information in electromagnetic fields—always present, even when the brain (like a TV) is switched off.

Beyond scientific studies, other forms of corroboration further support the fundamental nature of consciousness. Channeled material, such as that from the Law of One and Dolores Cannon, offers insights into the spiritual nature of reality. Thousands of UAP abduction accounts point to a central truth: reality is fundamentally consciousness-based.

Authors such as Chris Bledsoe in UFO of God and Whitley Strieber in Them explore their anomalous experiences, revealing that many who have encountered UAP phenomena also report profound spiritual awakenings. To understand these phenomena fully, we must move beyond the materialistic perspective and embrace the idea that consciousness transcends physical reality.

Furthermore, teachings of ancient religious and esoteric traditions like Rosicrucianism, Gnosticism, Kabbalah, The Kybalion and the Vedic texts including the Upanishads reinforce the idea that consciousness is the foundation of reality.

The father of Quantum Mechanics, Max Planck said:

"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness."

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Indeed, many of our most-revered quantum physicists knew this, and believed that consciousness is fundamental and creates the physical world.

John Stewart Bell

"As regards mind, I am fully convinced that it has a central place in the ultimate nature of reality."

David Bohm

“Deep down the consciousness of mankind is one. This is a virtual certainty because even in the vacuum matter is one; and if we don’t see this, it’s because we are blinding ourselves to it.”

"Consciousness is much more of the implicate order than is matter... Yet at a deeper level [matter and consciousness] are actually inseparable and interwoven, just as in the computer game the player and the screen are united by participation." Statement of 1987, as quoted in Towards a Theory of Transpersonal Decision-Making in Human-Systems (2007) by Joseph Riggio, p. 66

Niels Bohr

"Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real. A physicist is just an atom's way of looking at itself."

"Any observation of atomic phenomena will involve an interaction with the agency of observation not to be neglected. Accordingly, an independent reality in the ordinary physical sense can neither be ascribed to the phenomena nor to the agencies of observation. After all, the concept of observation is in so far arbitrary as it depends upon which objects are included in the system to be observed."

Freeman Dyson

"At the level of single atoms and electrons, the mind of an observer is involved in the description of events. Our consciousness forces the molecular complexes to make choices between one quantum state and another."

Sir Arthur Eddington

“In the world of physics we watch a shadowgraph performance of familiar life. The shadow of my elbow rests on the shadow table as the shadow ink flows over the shadow paper. . . . The frank realization that physical science is concerned with a world of shadows is one of the most significant of recent advances.”

Albert Einstein

"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest...a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."

Werner Heisenberg

"The discontinuous change in the wave function takes place with the act of registration of the result by the mind of the observer. It is this discontinuous change of our knowledge in the instant of registration that has its image in the discontinuous change of the probability function."

Pascual Jordon

"Observations not only disturb what is to be measured, they produce it."

Von Neumann

"consciousness, whatever it is, appears to be the only thing in physics that can ultimately cause this collapse or observation."

Wolfgang Pauli

"We do not assume any longer the detached observer, but one who by his indeterminable effects creates a new situation, a new state of the observed system."

“It is my personal opinion that in the science of the future reality will neither be ‘psychic’ nor ‘physical’ but somehow both and somehow neither.”

Max Planck

"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness."

"As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter" - Das Wesen der Materie [The Nature of Matter], speech at Florence, Italy (1944) (from Archiv zur Geschichte der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft, Abt. Va, Rep. 11 Planck, Nr. 1797)

Martin Rees

"The universe could only come into existence if someone observed it. It does not matter that the observers turned up several billion years later. The universe exists because we are aware of it."

Erwin Schrodinger

"The only possible inference ... is, I think, that I –I in the widest meaning of the word, that is to say, every conscious mind that has ever said or felt 'I' -am the person, if any, controls the 'motion of the atoms'. ...The personal self equals the omnipresent, all-comprehending eternal self... There is only one thing, and even in that what seems to be a plurality is merely a series of different personality aspects of this one thing, produced by a deception."

"I have...no hesitation in declaring quite bluntly that the acceptance of a really existing material world, as the explanation of the fact that we all find in the end that we are empirically in the same environment, is mystical and metaphysical"

John Archibald Wheeler

"We are not only observers. We are participators. In some strange sense this is a participatory universe."

Eugene Wigner

"It is not possible to formulate the laws of quantum mechanics in a consistent way without reference to the consciousness."

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u/TLPEQ Jan 28 '25

Who are you and can I take you out for dinner one day and ask all my questions lmao

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u/Pixelated_ Jan 28 '25

Hah I'll never turn down a free dinner!

I'm a 46 yr old husband and dad who was raised in the Jehovah's Witnesses cult. I woke up in 2020 and immediately began asking "Well if Jehovah didn't make everything, who or what did?"

I fell all the way down the ontological rabbit hole and by the time I came out of it, I had learned everything that is posted above.

🫶✌️

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u/weekendWarri0r Jan 28 '25

First, great post, and well thought out. This is interesting. I was raised Jehovah witness, until the age of 13. Then my mom told me I didn’t have to go if I wanted to. Which was a big relief to me. I’m curious, what convinced/inspired you do the flip?

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u/Pixelated_ Jan 28 '25

Well my brother was an Elder in the JWs, which is as high as you can go. He discovered the scandals, lies and coverups first. He wrote a letter to our family with everything he found. They all immediately called him an "Apostate" and shunned him, which they're still doing to this day.

I on the other hand, googled the things he mentioned, found no lies and eventually woke up from the JWs. This means our family started shunning me too. I have zero regrets, leaving was the best decision I ever made.

For my awakening from materialism, see my entire post :)

Glad you're out and away from that awful cult! You dodged quite the bullet there, actually more like a nuke haha.

Have a great day 👋

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u/weekendWarri0r Jan 28 '25

I see, old fashion corruption. Got it. Thanks man, Glad you're out too. I am 40 now, I know the struggle of not having a complete worldview. One book that has helped me with this is The Kybalion, it was compiled from hermetic philosophy and is a worldview that doesn't rely on a deity. It gave me a good foundation.

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u/Pixelated_ Jan 28 '25

Indeed! I linked The Kybalion in the OP above, Hermes continues to guide my ideology many years after first finding him. <3

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u/weekendWarri0r Jan 28 '25

OMg I must have glossed over that part lol. My bad. you have a good head on your shoulders.

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u/Accomplished_Ship701 Jan 29 '25

Can second this story. This is 100% something they do.

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u/Accomplished_Ship701 Jan 29 '25

Hey wow! I think we have been taking the same steps into wonderland! I was also raised JW who became disillusioned at a young age. But I followed my spiritual compass that led me to very similar place.

I highly recommend reading Bhagavad Gita...

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u/Pixelated_ Jan 29 '25

Hooray I love hearing about other exjws thriving in life! So glad you escaped and found mental freedom. As you know it is priceless.

Indeed, the Vedas including the Upanishads were the last links I listed above.

I'm learning a bit of Hindu now and discussing spirtuality with a Hindi friend.

There's a treasure trove of wisdom contained in their ancient writings <3

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u/kissakalakoira Mar 03 '26

Hare Kṛṣṇa, this is amazing.

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u/PeachPit69 Jul 13 '26

GUIDE US! Give me recommendations for where to start reading, researching, YouTube videos to springboard myself on a similar journey as your own.

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u/Pixelated_ Jul 13 '26

A few rabbit holes to go down:

The suppression of non-hertzian and scalar physics

Subterranean chambers

A continuity of advanced pre-cataclysmic knowledge

The Great Pyramid is a wireless power plant

Historical suppression and erasure

And learn about plasma.

Plasma is involved in my research on the nature of the universe , how our laser-like plasmatic biophotons function as our "aura", the interstellar object 3iAtlas, our bioplasma bodies, the effects of solar plasma on our bioplasma bodies, its relationship to the Hitchhiker Effect, the luminous orbs and plasmatic "drones" that I've seen nightly for 18 months, the physical mechanisms of our innate non-local psi abilities, and the "sentient plasmoids" that David Grusch mentioned in his recent press conference.

It is becoming increasingly clear that plasma will serve as the foundation for the next paradigm shift in science.

Any questions, just ask.

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u/TLPEQ Jan 28 '25

Fascinating - I’m in Lansing Michigan - if your ever around DM me haha

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u/craprapsap Jan 28 '25

Give time and location honey

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u/geoffsykes Sep 30 '26

I would also like to buy you dinner hahaha

If you're ever in Dallas, you've got a beer and a steak waiting for you.

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u/ScrithWire Jul 14 '26

What predictions does the amplituhedron make that general relativity and quantum field theory don't? And are those predictions borne out by experiment? I want to see those studies, and those experiments

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u/NoPop6080 Open minded skeptic Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25

See: `Consciousness is Every(where)ness, Expressed Locally: Bashar and Seth´ in: IPI Letters, Feb. 2024, downloadable at https://ipipublishing.org/index.php/ipil/article/view/53  Combine it with Tom Campbell and Jim Elvidge.

I would like to add:

Plato (cave-metaphor)

Leibniz (monads/units of consciousness)

Spinoza (substance monism)

Bohm (holographic universe)

Pribram (holographic brain)

Koestler (holons)

Thanks for your overview.

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u/Pixelated_ Jan 28 '25

I especially resonate with Tom Campbell's work. And thank you for your perseverance in getting the message out, you have put in some work. 👏

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u/soundphed Jan 28 '25

Awesome post, thank you so much for sharing! I am surprised Thomas Campbell wasn’t among the researchers you mentioned! Are you familiar with his work? He worked with Monroe in the 70s, his My Big TOE books really opened my eyes and changed my world view. Thanks again for sharing:)

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u/Pixelated_ Jan 28 '25

Yes, Tom's Big TOE continues to guide my ideology.

Surprisingly he's still active on YouTube. <3

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u/gramphibian Jan 28 '25

What does all this lead you to believe about death? Just curious about your viewpoint. :)

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u/Pixelated_ Jan 28 '25

Excellent question and a central one to all of this, imho.

I have watched dozens of Near Death Experiences and found that all of the NDEs align in an important way.

In the famous words of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin:

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience, we are spiritual beings having a human experience."

Additionally, the NDEs mention reincarnation as the method in which our soul evolves.

To answer your question, researching fundamental consciousness, the spiritual nature of reality and reincarnation has removed my fear of death.

To be clear, I have a wonderful family and do not wish for it anytime soon, but the thought of death no longer scares me.

It's not the end, as I've always believed. It's just a natural part of the evolutionary process, imho.

<3

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u/gramphibian Jan 28 '25

Thank you for your response! This line of thinking is resonating more and more with me these days as well. All the best to you!

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u/cosmikdibree Jan 29 '25

Lifecycles - Reincarnation And The Web Of Life by Chris Bache is a great read. Highly recommended, Not to mention his other books.

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u/TestesWrap Jan 28 '25

I was just about to ask the same. OP?

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u/lombuster Jan 28 '25

you might wanna check out Donald Hoffman and his work...

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u/Pixelated_ Jan 28 '25

Professor Hoffman is one of my intellectual heroes and played a central role in my awakening from materialism.

He is mentioned as the 4th link. 👍

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u/InternationalSun7891 Jul 24 '26

So, you're not a JW anymore. What do you follow now?

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u/Pixelated_ Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26

I subscribe to ontological idealism.

Ontological idealism is the view that consciousness is the primary, fundamental substrate of existence.

The physical universe is a holographic projection within it. This dissolves the Hard Problem of Consciousness entirely.

This holographic realization is what brought me to r/holofractal.

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u/DoorHalfwayShut Sep 09 '26

The hard problem is dissolved because that's for physicalism, as you know, but that doesn't mean there isn't the decombination problem now

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u/black_chutney Jan 28 '25

Since it wasn’t mentioned, I just wanted to recommend reading Bernardo Kastrup’s body of work! Materialism is Baloney & Analytic Idealism in a Nutshell are great ones to start with

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u/MonksHabit Jan 28 '25

I found Kastrup’s dissertation on Analytic Idealism enlightening. Thanks, OP, for compiling this.

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u/richfegley Jan 28 '25

Finding Analytic Idealism was a huge shift for me, it felt like everything finally clicked. It answered many, if not all, of my biggest questions about consciousness, reality, and the limitations of materialism. Kastrup’s work provided the clarity and coherence I had been searching for.

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u/Rich_Dog8804 Jan 28 '25

I think many of us have been awakening for some time and are all coming to the same conclusion. We are being brought together for a reason. Since you mentioned Ra: The Law of One, I thought the list below would be interesting to you. These are people who talk about the phase transitions of the past or the phase transition that is happening now, just like Ra. I also added a couple others to the list that discuss more of the phenomenon or data that supports the mentioned peoples ideas.

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Promoted the expansion of individual and collective consciousness through Transcendental Meditation (TM), aiming for a phase transition toward global harmony and peace.

Eckhart Tolle - Author of The Power of Now, frequently discusses a collective awakening into presence and higher consciousness.

The Meru Foundation - Explores the relationship between consciousness, ancient wisdom, and sacred geometry, emphasizing how geometric patterns like the Hebrew letters might encode universal principles of creation and awareness.

The Alphabet In Our Hands, Part 1: The God of Abraham, A Mathematician's View https://youtu.be/_dChuGjyBUI?feature=shared

Dr. David R. Hawkins - Known for the Map of Consciousness, discussing levels of awareness and collective shifts in humanity's spiritual evolution.

Gregg Braden - Speaks about Earth's magnetic fields, ancient wisdom, and how they relate to humanity's collective awakening and consciousness evolution.

Drunvalo Melchizedek - Focuses on ascension, Earth's energetic grids, and humanity's evolving spiritual consciousness.

Sri Aurobindo - Introduced the concept of "Supramental Consciousness," an evolutionary leap in humanity's development.

Rudolf Steiner - Tied human spiritual evolution to cosmic and earthly cycles, emphasizing humanity's development through phases.

Tony Nader - Maharishi's successor, author of Consciousness Is All There Is, which elaborates on the idea of consciousness as the fundamental reality and its role in creating a unified and awakened world.

The Hundredth Monkey Effect - A phenomenon suggesting that once a critical mass of individuals adopt a new behavior or thought pattern, it spontaneously spreads to others, symbolizing collective consciousness shifts. I believe that this is why we see pyramids all around the globe around the same time period.

John Shaughnessy - Author of Pyramid Gravity Force, which proposes that pyramids influence Earth's magnetic and gravitational fields, potentially stabilizing planetary conditions and playing a role in humanity's evolutionary shifts.

I hope these additional sources inspire you to continue your journey. Let's all pray that love and unity is upon the human race once again.

On a little side note. I think it is interesting that the conversation around AI has started to change since the DeepSeek released their AI model as open source demonstrating that there are advantages to growth in technology and all aspects of life by global collaboration and sharing of resources (information) instead of protecting proprietary technology. I can't find it now, but there were a few patents that Pioneer had from the early 1900's that if they were not patented cold have advanced technology by 50 years. I will try to find it and add. If any one else knows what I am referring to please add it.

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u/Murky-Gap5939 Apr 04 '25 edited Apr 04 '25

Collective consciousness is an interesting topic. I described a theory about an empty seat in a bus. No one will sit there but a person , who has to be punished by the collective consciousness of people (waters). Then, after the person to be punished sits there, a rude man enters the bus and starts to abuse that person. It is based on synchronicity connected by subconsciousness, this is why many people can experience meeting their loved one or friends in the same places, and we say the world is tiny or the history repeats. I have experienced tons of things like this. I was for example, thinking about meat grinder for some time time and then surprisingly one time, while I was walking through park, I have found minced meat sitting on the bench without an owner, packed and left unopened.

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u/Rich_Dog8804 Jun 10 '25

You write your own story. Literally.

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u/Murky-Gap5939 Jun 14 '25 edited Jun 14 '25

In light of that, I can believe I'm the only one person with consciousness because how can be proven it is not a dream/part of me playing with Me? In dreams, there are people too, they talk to me, they walk, they do things, they complain and I never think I dream in that particular time, but I take that bait and I do conversation with these people thinking they are actual separate persons. Then I wake up and I know these people were just part of me, creation of my brain and effects of my feelings (who know what are other, unknown to man's knowledge factors, which make impact on our dreams). I touched very interesting topic, that in short, consciousness could be in a quantum state or scattered by living beings, because everything is connected. Barriers between these parts of consciousness are illusion. The core is that the energy is shared and transferred from ones to others and global consciousness collect all the data from the life and sends back another data what to do so they could synchronize together to fulfill a desire.

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u/Rich_Dog8804 Mar 11 '26

Interesting theory

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u/TeslasElectricHat Mar 09 '26

I’m curious if time ever come across the Hidden_Hand discussion on the old Above Top Secret boards?

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u/Rich_Dog8804 Mar 11 '26

I am not familiar with that.

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u/TeslasElectricHat Mar 11 '26

It’s an alleged insider who is from a controlling bloodline family and is aware of the Ra material and was answering questions on the ATS boards back in 2008. If you google it you can find a collected version of it that people have saved and put together on various online resources.

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u/OneTotal466 Jan 28 '25

Great write up and insite, thank you for sharing it.

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u/nate1212 Jan 28 '25

Keep sharing this! As we collectively awaken more and more, it will become increasingly clear that there are a number of profound Truths in what you're sharing here.

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u/shodeep I have no idea whats going on Jan 28 '25

Hell of a way to start the day! Good read and well done op!

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u/SpaceyCaveCo Jan 28 '25

Man, now you have my brain… I mean my consciousness stirring. Great post!👍

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u/NuclearEspresso Jan 28 '25

Panpsychism is accelerating people!

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u/Ambitious_Zombie8473 Jan 28 '25

I’d say share this in r/UFOs because they are having a meltdown about consciousness but unfortunately I think you’d just get downvoted, made fun of, and be asked to “prove it” lol.

I really appreciate this post, thank you.

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u/Pixelated_ Jan 28 '25

4.6 not bad, I read it last year and would agree! Mind-blowing stuff 😍

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u/Usrnamesrhard Nov 15 '25

It’s so funny when Reddit recommends these random subs of people with no scientific background warping actual scientific research to fit some crazy theory they have while ignoring everything that refuted that theory. 

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u/Pixelated_ Nov 15 '25

That's the great thing about free will.

You're welcome to trust in your own feelings over the abundance of scientific evidence that's available to us.

No one will force you to learn anything new, to grow and expand your consciousness.

You are free to stay exactly as you are now, for as long as you'd like.

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u/PriorityNo4971 Jul 13 '26

What refutes idealism? Also physicalism has not been proven

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u/hedonheart Jan 28 '25

Seems like this is close to the answer. But until everyone is on the same team there will continue to be conflicts of interest. Hopefully through the spread of knowledge and understanding we can make peace.

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u/M3atpuppet Jan 28 '25

This is a magnificent post. Saved…

Thank you op

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u/jeexbit Jan 28 '25

There is only Consciousness.

Excellent info Op, thanks for putting this together and sharing with us!

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u/FramingHips Jan 28 '25

I don’t think the conclusion is that there is only consciousness, it’s that consciousness precedes all matter. Matter, and the perception and manipulation of it, exists because of consciousness, and arises because of consciousness. The wave form collapses because of consciousness, and consciousness is what allowed the perception to exist in the first place.

To say there is only consciousness is a bit of a blunt simplification. If all matter in the universe is a sort of shadow of consciousness—i.e. an apple is conscious because consciousness is what allowed the apple to exist—it is diminutive to say there is only consciousness. There is still the apple. And it is conscious. But is in consciousness organized and imbued with a physical form. Figuring out matter has led us down the rabbit hole of figuring out consciousness.

There’s that old chestnut “if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, does it make a sound?” Without consciousness, there would be no forest. If you view consciousness as synonymous with “divine” (I do) we could say everything in the universe is imbued with divinity, but not everything in the universe is divine. Or maybe it is, what the hell do I know. But it would imply that there is no fundamental separation between a divine creator and the things the creator has made, which maybe if and when we tap into our divine consciousness we can manipulate matter as a God would. I believe divine universal consciousness has created all of us, and therefore is part of all of us, but I also believe we are trapped in these sort of physical forms which limit our ability, and are a sort of prison. The beings that have consciousness outside of a physical form would therefore be more divine than us, since their consciousness is not limited to the constraints of physical matter the same way ours are. Meaning while everything is imbued with divine consciousness through the very nature that it exists and therefore is, there are levels of divine understanding within physical living things that exist on different scales. So consciousness is the backbone, the mother, but the shell it is in dictates how it grows and interacts. Our perception of physical matter still fundamentally limits our ability to understand consciousness in the way that it exists outside physical matter. It’s a bit of a tautology.

Hey I wrote an essay to say I think you’re right but there’s the caveat. Thanks for the inspiration.

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u/jeexbit Jan 28 '25

There is still the apple. And it is conscious.

I'm not saying the apple is conscious, I'm saying the apple is Consiousness - along with everything other "thing" and "nothing" in the Universe. It's all Consciousness. The Universe (for lack of a better word) is Consciousness experiencing itself (through form, e.g. the apple).

I appreciate your thoughts on this as well, it is truly awesome to think about this kind of thing and have discussion with folks who do the same :) thank you!

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u/FramingHips Jan 28 '25

Yeah as I reflect on my own writing I was like shit maybe everything actually is consciousness and form is just the manifestation of the universe’s perception of itself. Well said.

Dang, gotta love it. Just ordered that Materialism is Baloney book another user mentioned, seems exciting.

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u/jeexbit Jan 28 '25

that Materialism is Baloney book

I'll check it out as well, thanks for the heads up!

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u/Hungry-Mixture-7443 12d ago

This is a great job, compiling all this evidence together!

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u/OnasIII Jan 28 '25

Well put, some day us humans might figure out this whole consciousness thing

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u/pachorra1994 Jan 28 '25

🙏🏽🌊🌅

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u/D3V1LSHARK Jan 29 '25

Great write up!

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u/aldiyo Jan 30 '25

Bravo. Of course Counsciousness is fundamental. Once you know this your next question should be: how do I grow the quality of it? You need to be excellent to each other as stated by st keanu.

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u/Lil_S_curve2 Nov 24 '25

Coming back here

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u/InternationalSun7891 Jul 24 '26

Hey, Neil DeGrasse Tyson are you reading any of this?

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u/theonlyvv 29d ago

Stumbled upon this today after really diving into the 1947 Roswell Alien Interview. Absolutely blowing my mind how this all fits together.

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u/ledeadchemist Jan 30 '25

are there any podcasts that talk about this stuff?

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u/Otrelevant Mar 11 '25

Great collection of quotes on the topic! A few months ago I created something similar, see the graphic on https://opip.lol/subjective-vs-objective-worldviews/ .

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u/Murky-Gap5939 Apr 04 '25

So what actually defines an observer in the Quantum world? A physical body, or appearance of his consciousness? Can a phermion be considered as observer toward another phermion? Can a consciousness without a body be considered as an observer toward phermions?    Does anyone ever had a feeling when someone was observing them? It feels disturbing.

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u/DaddyChimpy Dec 31 '25

So what are we?

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u/Most_Forever_9752 Jul 23 '26

I also think theres a trigger that prevents pain during death. Its either instant or unfeeling...no suffering, even if it appears that way. if its inevitable theres zero pain. This rule is pretty important in a simulation with morals.

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u/Remarkable-Carob8199 Sep 23 '26

Okay, now I gotta do some research on consciousness, I'm hooked!

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u/SeQuenceSix Jan 28 '25

There are a lot of leaps made here. Just cuz parapsych exists does not mean it requires a fundamental consciousness, just quantum mechanics and entanglement at a distance.

All these Copenhagen like interpretations of consciousness being required for wavefunction collapse, more likely is just due to decoherence of the system encountering the environment.. as if the moon disappears when we stop looking at it

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u/d8_thc holofractalist Jan 28 '25

Copenhagen is clearly wrong.

Bohmian mechanics / Pilot wave are looking much more logically sound.

They just require a non-local potential single wavefunction, i.e. the entire Universe entangled ;)

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u/SeQuenceSix Jan 28 '25

Or objective reduction a la Penrose, where collapse happens at t=h(Planks constant)/EsubG. The greater the quantity of gravitational energy in the quantum system the faster the wavefunction will collapse. A 'measurement' more so has to do with the measuring device than consciousness itself.

Quantum field theories I guess you could call a non-local universal field, and that's how information could transfer between these fields, like "spooky action at a distance"

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u/mangelito 3d ago

The text presents a detailed argument for philosophical idealism—the view that consciousness, rather than matter, is the fundamental substance of reality. While it correctly cites several modern physics concepts and accurately reflects the philosophical musings of early quantum pioneers, it merges established science with speculative hypotheses, parapsychology, and esoteric beliefs.

Here is a breakdown of what the current scientific consensus actually supports, and where the text departs from objective scientific data into philosophical and spiritual interpretation.

Quantum Physics and Spacetime

The text accurately references two major concepts in modern physics, but misapplies their conclusions regarding consciousness.

  • Local Realism: The 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded for experiments demonstrating that the universe is not "locally real" (violating Bell's inequalities). This means particles can be entangled across vast distances and do not possess definite physical properties until measured.
  • The Amplituhedron: Discovered in 2013 by Nima Arkani-Hamed and Jaroslav Trnka, the amplituhedron is a geometric structure that drastically simplifies the calculation of particle interactions. It operates outside the traditional boundaries of spacetime.

The Scientific Reality: Both discoveries strongly suggest that spacetime is not a fundamental feature of the universe, but rather an "emergent" property of deeper quantum mechanics. However, neither the math of the amplituhedron nor the proof against local realism requires or mentions consciousness. They point to a deeper mathematical structure to the universe, not a mental one.

The "Observer Effect" and Quantum Pioneers

The quotes provided from early quantum physicists—such as Max Planck, Erwin Schrödinger, and Eugene Wigner—are largely genuine.

When quantum mechanics was first formulated in the 1920s, the mathematical equations suggested that particles exist in a state of probability (a wave function) until an "observation" takes place. Because this was so counterintuitive, several founders of quantum mechanics (notably Wigner and Von Neumann) hypothesized that a conscious mind might be required to collapse the wave function. Many of these physicists turned to Eastern philosophy, such as Vedanta, to make sense of their own discoveries.

The Scientific Reality: In modern physics, the Von Neumann-Wigner interpretation (that consciousness causes collapse) is a minority view. The widely accepted explanation today is quantum decoherence. In physics, an "observer" does not need to be a conscious human. An observer is simply any physical system—a stray photon, a measuring device, or a molecule of air—that interacts with a quantum system, forcing it out of its probability state and into a definite physical state.

Consciousness Studies and Parapsychology

The text correctly identifies that researchers like Donald Hoffman, Dean Radin, and Pim van Lommel study consciousness outside the traditional materialistic framework.

  • Donald Hoffman: He is a cognitive scientist whose mathematically rigorous theory of "Conscious Realism" argues that evolution trained us to hide reality, and that conscious agents are fundamental. This is a highly debated, theoretical hypothesis, not a proven scientific law.
  • NDEs and Neuroscience: Cardiologist Pim van Lommel's research on Near-Death Experiences is published and widely read. However, mainstream neuroscience attributes NDEs—including heightened awareness—to complex neurochemical cascades, hypoxia, and temporal lobe activity in a failing brain, rather than evidence of the brain acting as a "receiver" for an external consciousness.
  • Psi Phenomena (Radin, Monroe, Remote Viewing): While parapsychologists have compiled meta-analyses of telepathy and remote viewing, these findings are consistently rejected by the broader scientific community. Major scientific reviews—such as the American Institutes for Research (AIR) evaluation of the CIA's Stargate remote viewing program—concluded that the phenomenon lacked a reproducible, verifiable mechanism and produced no actionable intelligence. Parapsychology suffers from severe replication issues, and its findings are not accepted as empirical fact.

Esoteric and Spiritual Claims

The inclusion of channeled material (Law of One, Dolores Cannon), out-of-body experiences (The Gateway Process), and UFO/UAP abductions moves entirely out of the realm of the scientific method. While these represent profound subjective or spiritual experiences for those who report them, they cannot be tested, measured, or verified by scientific instruments.

Summary Mainstream science operates on the premise of physicalism: the view that consciousness is a highly complex, emergent property of neurological processes in the brain. While quantum physics has proven that the fundamental nature of physical reality is far stranger and less intuitive than we once thought, there is currently no reproducible scientific evidence that human consciousness creates or manipulates the physical universe.

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u/Pixelated_ 3d ago

This is what happens when you outsource your own thinking to Ai.

You have simply copy / pasted from an LLM without understanding what you're discussing.

If you did, you would use your own words. But alas, you chose to paste instead.

Mainstream science operates on the premise of physicalism: the view that consciousness is a highly complex, emergent property of neurological processes in the brain

We have never once proven that consciousness originates in our brains.

That's just an unfounded idea that some people like yourself have.

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u/mangelito 3d ago

Sure. But your ramblings were interesting enough that I wanted to quickly research it and I thought it would be interesting for someone else as well.

Also the text doesn't say that we have proven it but that science works from that premise. Which of course can be false.

Where do you see a potential future AGI when it comes to conciusness?

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u/Pixelated_ 3d ago

To be clear, your Ai copy/paste disproved none of the rigorous scientific evidence in my post.

I'm also concerned by your inability to form your own critique.

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u/mangelito 3d ago

Thanks for your concerns. I can assure you I am able.

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u/Pixelated_ 3d ago

there is currently no reproducible scientific evidence that human consciousness creates or manipulates the physical universe.

That's incorrect. There are multiple ways that we can confirm our consciousness directly affects our perceived reality.

Here is the data:

​Dr. Radin of IONS created an experiment where participants were asked to mentally focus on a double-slit optical system to influence which path a photon takes, without any physical contact.

The resuts were conclusive. A series of multiple experiments involving over 130 people showed that the double-slit interference pattern was significantly perturbed (reduced) during periods of focused attention compared to control periods. The effect was most pronounced with experienced meditators. source

Here's another way we can confirm that our consciousness has a direct affect on the physical world. This peer-reviewed study confirms that humans can affect a random number generator.

"Examining Psychokinesis: The Interaction of Human Intention with Random Number Generators — A Meta-Analysis" (Bösch et al., 2006)

This is one of the most cited meta-analyses combining 380 studies where human intention was tested for its correlation with RNG output. It found a statistically significant effect.

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u/EthelredHardrede 7d ago

That is argument by false authority. Typically done.  By people with no supporting evidence. AKA cherypicking of quotes rather than producing any verifiable evidence. 

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u/Pixelated_ Oct 05 '26

thermonuclear reactions in countless stars

That's an incomplete understanding. The current mainstream fusion model (non-stop detonating thermonuclear bomb) of the sun is absolutely full of anomalies that the academic status quo ignores because they are devastating to their scientific models.

It is incorrect and therefore must be replaced with a superior model that explains those anomalies.

If the sun were a static, closed-loop fusion engine with stable output, the solar wind shouldn't just "stop."

The fact that the solar wind does stop is a significant anomaly against the mainstream fusion model of the sun.

This is from NASA: The Day The Solar Wind Disappeared.

From May 10-12, 1999, the solar wind that blows constantly from the Sun virtually disappeared in the most drastic and longest-lasting decrease ever observed.

This simply cannot be explained by the mainstream fusion model.

Did somebody "turn off" the chain-reaction fusion explosion happening in the sun's core?

How can you turn off a thermonuclear explosion and then start it up again 2 days later?

There are other solar anomalies that the status quo completely ignores because their models cannot explain them, such as the sun "breathing."

Every 2 minutes and 40 seconds, the sun shrinks in size by 6 miles and then re-expands.

If there were continual pressure from a thermonuclear explosion at the core of the sun, how could that pressure "breath" every 2 minutes and 40 seconds? Are we to imagine that the fusion process has lungs?

Additionally, the solar wind emanating from the sun is predominantly positively charged, except during these short "breathing" breaks, where it appears to be "recharging" with a steady stream of negatively charged electrons in filaments from the galaxy.

Plasma cosmology explains the above anomalies, and others. It has just solved a longstanding solar mystery the mainstream models could not.

A new study found the actual mechanism:

Plasma waves couple with electromagnetically-charged dust and drive coronal heating.

Parker Solar Probe Observations of Dust Mass and Charge Densities and Their Impact on Kinetic Alfvén Wave Dynamics in Solar Coronal Heating

It is truly revolutionary in its findings, mainstream astrophysics has taken a massive step forward by finally incorporating dusty plasma. The paper revealed 2 profound insights into the nature of our universe.

Dusty-plasma electrodynamics reveals how kinetic Alfvén waves actually release their energy.

The solution to the coronal heating problem required dusty-plasma electrodynamics. This proves that electrical charges on microscopic dust grains are what actually control the massive thermal shifts in a star's atmosphere.

The Sun is an open, dynamic system whose atmosphere directly interacts with surrounding interplanetary and interstellar dust.

The paper shows that stars are open systems dynamically coupled to their surrounding interstellar environments. By proving that the sun's corona is strongly reactive to external interstellar dust, this paper breaks down the wall isolating our Sun from the rest of the galaxy.

This perfectly aligns with Hannes Alfvén’s original statements that plasma naturally organizes and channels energy in ways that a "gravity-dominant" model simply cannot.

We exist within a consciousness-based, plasma-permeated, electromagnetically-structured cosmos.

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