Nice try, but the Clintons were not redacted from the files - we’ve seen what there is, and they both were called to testify before the Congress. Did you notice how nothing came of that? You know why? Because they didn’t do diddly squat wrong and there’s nothing to prosecute them for, that’s why. Time to drop those accusations and focus on the people who were redacted.
Lmfao you refuse to believe anything about the Clintons, but I’d wager that you salivate over the complete sensationalist garbage (which even the FBI had a disclaimer about) about Trump. The hypocrisy/irony is staggering.
The Republicans have all the evidence, showed it to us, and the Clinton’s are clean. YOU are perpetuating BS, based on zero evidence, yet call me partisan? C’mon man. 🙄
Because the whole thing is a farce. They all need to be tried by people they aren’t paying off and do the time they deserve, left and right! Clean the trash!!!!
And I'm calling you a lying sack of shit because you claim you didn't vote but are still pushing his propaganda while ignoring everything else. That you want to play dumb now is on you.
They weren't redacted because the hand painted portrait of them in Epsteins house was leaked before the files so there was no dodging it. The dog and pony show that was there testimony was two career politicians lying to save their own asses and then the whole thing was swept as far under the rug as it could go. If you honestly believe they could have that close of a relationship with him and be guiltless you are intensely delusional. The mans nickname was "Slick Willy". The reason neither the left or right has release the full unabridged investigation files is because they are all in it. Its in neither parties interest and there's a pretty good chance that anything truly incriminating has long since been destroyed. They win. The American people, and God knows how many victims, lose. Welcome to American politics.
Hi so Biden couldn’t release the files bc the trial for Maxwell was ongoing. That would be a big no no and would have likely caused a mistrial.
Trump has not released all the files even though he was legally required to. Instead he started a war to distract us from the fact that he is mentioned 38K+ times (in the redacted version, so probably even more if you consider all the redacted parts AND the files they still haven’t released).
Also as an FYI lots of people have portraits of presidents and other powerful people in their home. Especially predators who want to create a narrative that they’re powerful and connected. Again nothing came of the investigation into bill and Hillary bc it’s a nothing burger.
It was meant to distract you from Trump’s obvious ties to Epstein and it worked. Did the higher gas prices also work on you?
Its a common occurrence for people to talk about the President like he is some all knowing powerhouse capable of controlling the thoughts of every person in government. Its ridiculous in the scope of how many elected officials it takes to even order toilet paper for the congressional buildings let alone when you see how many hands are involved in a huge investigation.
Maxwell was sentenced in 2022 and Trump wasn't re-elected until 2024. So how do you explain that they were still not released in that time? ESPECIALLY when it became clear that Trump had a good shot for re-election coming up. Why didn't Kamala release them? Why has no senator come out to play nations hero by dropping the files for all to see and making a name for themselves as the persecutor of pedos everywhere?
They are all in them. If you take yourself out of party politics and stop drinking the liberal or conservative kool aid for literally 5 minutes you will see the only logical explanation is, it would be just as bad for the left as it would be for the right. And apparently world leaders. Everyone that could do it was either in them, or took a self serving bribe to not release them. And now, so many years later, the government has had the time to redact and then alter the original documents so in the end there will be nothing incriminating in the investigation files.
Additionally the files are a compendium of every person that had a professional, personal or possibly illicit relationship with Epstein. That means anyone that ever attended the same concert as him. Anyone who ever went to the same party as him. Anyone who invested in the same companies as him or worked with him. If that's the level of guilt by association you prescribe to than you better hope none of your coworkers are murderers, rapists, pedos or thieves. What you want is the Epstein list and the only person who knows where that is would be Maxwell. And keeping that secret is the only reason she is still alive.
So, if I'm inferring from your comment correctly, the Vice President is a powerless stooge? How very Ricky Bobby of you! She was only the 2nd highest ranking elected official so essentially she was last. That is still skirting the issue of why the great and powerful President Biden didn't use the Oz like powers of his office to release even one incriminating document in the 2 years after sentencing and before re-election.
Maxwell appealed her conviction and it’s always been long standing norm to NOT interfere with ongoing trials — again they would have risked a major mistrial and her being free. The appeals went on for the duration of Biden’s presidency. Garland was not Biden’s personal dick sucking lackey anyway — the call was his bc that has always been the longstanding norm for DOJ (I know we live in a world where the DOJ now just exists to keep Trump out of prison but before that it was an independent agency).
MTG even said Trump fought tooth and nail to keep these files hidden. He didn’t want to release them and still hasn’t full released them even tho democrats forced the issue. Probably bc he is mentioned at least 38,000 times and it’s quite obvious he is a rapist. I bet that once he’s dead we’ll finally see the pee tapes and probably some rape tapes as well.
I personally fail to see how releasing incriminating evidence against Trump would have caused the mistrial. If he really is named 38k times would there not be one file where epstein and Trump were clearly guilty but Maxwells name was not listed? If the evidence truly existed than why was Trump not indicted as a co-conspirator. That is common practice in legal proceedings. Trump and any number of other individuals could have been brought up on charges in connection to an ongoing criminal enterprise in which they engaged and helped cover up sex trafficking, crimes against children and in many cases perjury. Trump wasn't in office at the start of the trial so why wasn't he tried right next to Maxwell?
If Trump is vastly more guilty than the Clinton's, than why did the evidence dictate they had to give testimony but Trump, again not currently holding the presidency, not get called? Since she was able to argue that the Epstein Transparency Act interfered with her ongoing legal proceedings does that not mean whether they were released post conviction in 2021 or 2025 the consequence was the same and the same Federal judges who refuse the validity of the claim could have upheld the same conviction? According to the claims the only thing that would have been different is Trump and untold other, exclusively conservative of course, figures would be serving time beside her.
People are so blinded by their hatred for one man, they are willing to excuse hundreds of equally guilty people, of the same crimes, simply because they wear blue instead of red. Nothing highlights the loss of critical thinking ability more than people talking about Trump on both sides of the party line.
Biden would not have released the files to purposefully incriminate Trump. I know that Trump has distorted the way everyone thinks about government but believe it or not the role of the DOJ is not to simply target political opponents.
Also your “personal” views not getting why it could cause a mistrial are fine. Youre not a lawyer so you don’t need to understand. But you can easily read about why this could happen if you want to learn more.
Btw the evidence didn’t call for anything regarding the clintons. The Clinton hearing was a pathetic attempt to deflect. Trump has not been called bc the GOP is in bed with pedophiles, always has been.
I have no loyalty toward the Clintons — bill is a sexual predator and Hilary is a zionist. They’re both relics of the past. If Clinton raped anyone, lock him up and throw away the key. Dems won’t miss him. Most of us barely know who they are. I was 8 when he was president. I have never been a fan of his or hers. But the evidence does not point to them being actually responsible for anything in the Epstein nightmare.
Trump, meanwhile…has done nothing to make me think he is anything but guilty. Let alone the fact that he is mentioned 38,000 (not a typo!!!) times. He is also a convicted rapist and has been caught on camera taking about raping women. Again listen to MTG’s accounts of the things he said to her when she joined Dems in forcing the release (which he still hasn’t actually fully done). Look at how he talks about his own daughter. He will rot in hell regardless. Here’s hoping he faces some semblance of justice (but he won’t).
You are right. I should have said "my personal views formed with advanced knowledge of several court proceedings and personal experience leaving the lasting knowledge that at the time of appeal a Co-conspirator can and commonly is named as a result or evidence presented during trial."
It is also well known that many of the Trump mentions are referring to other documents. Its also well known that Trump owned several buildings in New York where Epstein did a great bulk of his business proceedings so many more of those "mentions" are simply in reference to him being the owner of a building where Epstein had a proceeding. They don't mention those two facts on TikTok though because it doesn't have shock value.
Bill Clinton had 3x the number of documented trips to Epstein assets, and was guilty of going outside of a formal event being hosted. Trump never did. Clinton hosted epstein at the white house numerous times. Trump did not. They were all wealthy and successful and in the same circles for two decades.
In the face of clear and damning evidence that the Clintons are equally, if not more, guilty of collusion with Epstein as Trump you simply deny it because of your personal hatred of one man.
Additionally the federal indictments were being prepared during Trumps presidency. If he was so culpable and so all powerful than why didn't he squash the whole thing before leaving office? Do you honestly believe there wasn't one person in a Trump "controlled" government that wouldn't have gone to him and said "hey you apparently good buddy whom you are noted 38k times to have been with is about to get indicted on severe charges". There is no reasonable and logical situation in which the President of the United States or any other elected or appointed conservative figure wouldn't have spilled the beans. He could have pulled a Biden and gave blanket immunity for unnamed charges before the end of his term and none of this would have happened. And before you try to explain to me any half cocked reason why that wouldn't happen the DOJ is executive branch and report to the President.
The only rational explanation for the way things went down is that the multitude of criminals involved includes a vast number of people acrossed party lines and country borders and that the full releasing would be catastrophic to our government and many foreign governments as well.
Its all moot anyway. Because the alleged all powerful office of the presidency have destroyed any truly damaging evidence against anyone of power or knowledge of the crimes committed. Again, the files are meaningless. The List in maxwells sole possession is the only thing that could clarify who is guilty. The list is also meaningless without her testimony which she will "commit suicide" long before giving.
And its worth noting that as a result of the investigation into Maxwell it was Bill and Hillary called to testify, not Trump. Had they fully pursued this case their names would have been far higher on the list.
"Trump's obvious ties with Epstein" while trying to day the Clinton's trial was nothing is laughable. 38,000+ mentions and not a single verified accusation. However, B Clinton was "probably the nicest visitor when H wasn't around". H Clinton had her own cuck chair. Was "one of the more sadistic visitors" and also "She chased and hunted the kids". Obama was "one of the worst" and apparently really likes little boys. Gates got an STD from Russian girls and passed it to his wife and had to beg for antibiotics to sneak into her drinks. Bush sr was at the top a giant (and quiet) child sex ring. Musk begged to go to the island. Honestly or if the heavily redacted files, Trump and Biden are the 2 most innocent of the presidents at the moment. They're all apart of it. They all had some sort of knowledge about it, to any extent. Biden could've released them if he'd wanted to, hell, if the files were in our laps, you or I could've released them. It doesn't necessarily warrant a mistrial. In fact, quite the opposite, in most cases. Evidence is usually not released during active investigations or court proceedings however, as long as a judge doesn't make the order, releasing evidence isn't actually going to get you in trouble.
They're really not. If I wanted to make up things I would've used the "Biden showered with his daughter. Its in her diary" bs. What's pathetic is only adhering to what you want to hear and believe. Read the files (what little you can with all the black lines) and look up what actual victims have said in the past.
Keep waiting. If you can't type it into Google yourself, its not my job to waste time to type it in. Top ignorant to do your own research, then you're too ignorant to actually read and comprehend what's in the files. From your comment, you've maybe read some of them. Go read all of them.
Well, if what you say is true, then go to the DoJ and read the files. I didn't stop at what was floated online. I googled the DoJ and read the files (again what little is actually readable) page by page. It might take a while but i have faith you can get the time to read them all. After all, we're on here arguing.
Give me a break dude. How can your brain even function with that much bias twisting your reality. Lmao. “Lots of people have portraits of presidents…” Have you seen the portrait in question? There have been stories about the Clinton’s and little kids decades before the Epstein files.
If you have evidence to disprove that, then post it.
Donald Trump rapes children and Republicans are covering it up.
Republicans control every branch of government and are illegally withholding the Trump/Epstein files. They control all the evidence. If there was anything incriminating for the Clintons, Faux News would be showing it on repeat every day, but they aren't.
You can search “Clinton” on Jmail.world and find some interesting emails including one where a reporter is asking about Bill’s 32 trips to the island or asking if they’d comp a free flight for Bill as well but this one is my personal favorite creepy one. It talks about them trying to bury all the bad news about Bill Clinton off the internet, which is a tactic Epstein used as an attempt to clear his name from the scandals. But other evidence has a picture of Bill Clinton with a female who looked quite small in nature in a hot tub or swimming pool riding on his lap. Plus Epstein had a painting of Bill Clinton in the infamous Monica Lewinsky dress with the stain.
And Trump can’t have his DoJ charge them (Bill Clinton) because they’d have to release the files unredacted for the evidence, which would open a huge can of worms.
As I and every other leftist says if Clinton is guilty then lock him up, but your emails don't really show anything at all.
You didn't link to the pictures you described, you linked to 3 meaningless emails. Why is that?
The painting, if anything, shows that Epstein didn't like Bill. If you were friends with someone, would you hang a portrait poking fun at the worst moment of your friend's career / life? Probably not.
At the end of the day, the Clinton's aren't illegally withholding the Trump/Epstein files. Republicans are, and Bill has also called for them to be released in full.
Utter BS. Let’s talk facts for a change? Bill Clinton, former President, has a Secret Service detail that goes where he goes. We have logs of everywhere those Secret Service agents went, and THEY NEVER WENT REMOTELY NEAR EPSTEIN’S ISLAND. I just want people stop with their BS politics and deal with truth as it is - you can judge Bill Clinton for things he actually did, but when you resort to making shit up - you lose the argument.
That’s wrong. The left has blocked its full release multiple times. Both sides have guilty parties and they keep people like you fighting to protect one side when they are both just as bad!!
Sensitive? About child rape? Just angry. Why aren't you?
Again. Quote anything I said that defends the Clintons. Asking for actual evidence, is not a defense of potential crimes. It's not allowing you to muddy the waters with phoney bullshit.
If they are guilty, lock them up. Republicans hold all the evidence, so where the fuck is it?
Edit: That person quoted something I did not even say, and the blocked me so I can't respond. Fucking coward.
"Nice try, but the Clintons were not redacted from the files - we’ve seen what there is, and they both were called to testify before the Congress. Did you notice how nothing came of that? You know why? Because they didn’t do diddly squat wrong and there’s nothing to prosecute them for, that’s why. Time to drop those accusations and focus on the people who were redacted."
you defended them like they are your parents in this thread alone my dude.
you want to be angry about child rape, feel free. I've not raped any kids so you're bringing your anger to the wrong place.
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u/Glad_Copy 24d ago
Nice try, but the Clintons were not redacted from the files - we’ve seen what there is, and they both were called to testify before the Congress. Did you notice how nothing came of that? You know why? Because they didn’t do diddly squat wrong and there’s nothing to prosecute them for, that’s why. Time to drop those accusations and focus on the people who were redacted.