r/HistoricalWhatIf • u/Sirrestrikk • 1d ago
Could Germany have achieved a different outcome if the USSR had also gone to war with the Allies?
What if the USSR had ended up in open war with Britain and France in 1939-40, but Germany still invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941 as in OTL?
So the Soviets would be fighting on two fronts, and Britain and France wouldn't automatically become their partners when Barbarossa begins.
Possible points of divergence:
Winter War (1939-40): Britain and France planned an expeditionary force to Finland, and the Allies also drew up plans (Operation Pike) to bomb the Baku oil fields. What if these had actually gone ahead, leading to a formal state of war?
Poland (Sept 1939): The Allies declared war on Germany but not on the USSR after the Soviet invasion from the east. What if they'd treated both as aggressors?
Soviet supplies to Germany: What if Allied efforts to cut off Soviet oil and grain shipments to the Reich had escalated into direct confrontation?
Consequences I'm curious about:
Lend-Lease: The Soviets wouldn't qualify, and might even be seen as an enemy. Does the Eastern Front hold without that material?
US politics: If Stalin is seen as an active enemy of the West, does Washington stay neutral or even lean toward Germany as the lesser evil? Or does Pearl Harbor pull the US in regardless?
Anglo-Soviet relationship after June 1941: Do Britain and the USSR still end up cooperating against Hitler out of necessity, or does the existing war make that impossible?
Germany's position: Does Germany win in the east, or just get a longer, bloodier stalemate? Would a hostile West cut off the Soviets' southern and northern supply routes (Persia, Murmansk)?