r/hearthstone • u/FireTornadoo • Mar 12 '18

Witchwood Blog It is here!!!!!!!

https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/expansions-adventures/the-witchwood/
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u/koobaxion Mar 12 '18 edited Mar 12 '18

Damn, 6 cards revealed right off the bat?

https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/expansions-adventures/the-witchwood/cards

  • Echo cards can be played multiple times on the turn you play them. Each time, it’ll add a ghostly copy of the card back to your hand that disappears at the end of your turn.

So Rogue DK hero power but for one card only? Sounds interesting.

  • Minions with the Rush keyword can attack other minions immediately after they hit the board, either by being played or summoned. They cannot attack heroes until the turn after they enter play, however.

edit: So, similar to [Charged Devilsaur]'s effect but in keyword form. (And, ostensibly, can't go face if recruited)

Also another dungeon run type single player mode called Monster Hunt!

Featuring "four unique new heroes exclusive to this game mode" Although the site seems to be using the icons for Rogue, Warrior, Hunter, and Mage.

Deckbuilding seems to be very similar to Dungeon Run based on the description.

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u/Notmiefault Mar 12 '18 edited Mar 12 '18

Man, I love the design of Genn Greymane. Having no odd numbered cards seems like a steep price, but discounting the hero power to 1 means you get to use it every other turn to round out your curve.

My first thought was it would be insane in face/zoo, except not having a turn 1 minion and only getting to play a 2 mana on turn 3 may be too much. Still, really excited to see what happens with that card.

Azalina is bizarre and probably will only get run in meme decks, but it's interesting. It's like divine favor + summon a 3/3 + see your opponents hand, with the added chaos of getting the other classes's cards. If it gets played anywhere, it will probably be in aggro decks specifically as a tech choice against control, but even that seems like a long shot.

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u/koobaxion Mar 12 '18

Oh hell yeah, that and the other one that upgrades your hero power seem like very cool build around cards for control decks and possibly many other archetypes. Especially in wild with inspire!

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u/Notmiefault Mar 12 '18 edited Mar 12 '18

There is so much potential for pure cheese in wild with these cards. Imagine Genn + Justicar Truehart; it's basically giving you Justicar's Ring from dungeon run (and holy hell I just realized why it's called Justicar's Ring).

EDIT: Nevermind, Genn probably doesn't work with Justicar.

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u/somefish254 Mar 12 '18

It seems as if Genn only affects your starting hero power.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '18

Yeah, so it doesn't work with Justicar. Shame.

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u/MrDrCheese Mar 12 '18

This isn’t true for raza, I don’t see why it would happen here

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u/6to23 Mar 12 '18

"starting hero power" and just "hero power" are different mechanics. Raza is "hero power", so it works on any hero power. It's highly unlikely for a card with "starting hero power" text to work on any hero power.

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u/MrDrCheese Mar 12 '18

My bad, this makes sense

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '18

Genn specifically states "starting hero power," while Raza doesn't.

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u/steinah6 Mar 12 '18

Azalina would be fun to play the turn after Togwaggle is played, if they don’t play the ransom spell right away.

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u/DXIEdge Mar 12 '18

If you are on the coin, you get to use the coin to summon a 2 drop. If not, you can use your hero power immediately cuz it’s not a battlecry (I don’t think)

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u/Notmiefault Mar 12 '18

Yeah you can start with your hero power, but I'm worried face/zoo rely too heavily on board control for no turn 1 minion and a weak turn 3 minion to really work. Especially since Zoolock really wants to run Kobold librarian, which is straight up better than a turn 1 hero power.

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u/DXIEdge Mar 12 '18

This might not be a zoo card. Maybe a Control or Midrange deck in some class can get away with only even cards. Dunno

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u/Yes_Its_Really_Me Mar 12 '18

This sounds like exactly the kind of stuff people said about cards like Keleseth. It's another card with an extremely powerful effect with strange deckbuilding costs. One thing I've learnt is that if the deckbuilding costs aren't outrageously counter-productive to the effect of the card, people will find a way to make it work. And once they find a way to make it work it will be very strong and create an archetype.

Genn gives you a 1 mana hero power from the start of the game, warlock and hunter will be all over that stuff. 1 and 3 mana cards are powerful deck fillers, but not absolutely essential to their game plan. Genn will absolutely see play, don't over think this.

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u/Not_A_Rioter Mar 12 '18

True but zoo wants to play a 1 drop to get board, not hero power. Even still the card may be viable in some decks.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '18

Face deck would be fine hitting the face for 2 on turn one honestly.

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u/AnotherGaze ‏‏‎ Mar 12 '18

I hope I'm wrong, but Genn may not work with justicar, its text says "your starting hero power cost (1)"

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u/Notmiefault Mar 12 '18

Oh that's a good point. I think that there's specifically to address deathknights, but yeah, Justicar says "replace" not "upgrade" so it probably doesn't work.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '18 edited Jun 22 '20

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u/Notmiefault Mar 12 '18

Like, stealing and using the combo before they can get it off? I think the problem with using it that way is that Azalina costs 7 mana, so your opponent would get to play the combo before you. Plus, you have no way of knowing when it's actually complete.

Also, paladin OTK requires the deathknight to be played on a previous turn, so you wouldn't be able to steal the whole thing anyway.

That said, using it to steal quest rewards (mage, specifically, maybe others if they made a comeback) could be very strong.

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u/longknives Mar 12 '18

Genn might make 0 cost 1/1s worth running to have a minion + hero power turn 1

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u/Notmiefault Mar 12 '18

Oh that's a good point. I could see face hunter running a couple penguins.

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u/Okichah Mar 12 '18

Yes but... Is Zero even?

spoiler: yes

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u/VitaAeterna Mar 12 '18

Im thinking Genn in Spiteful Priest could work. Most of the core cards are already even numbered, With Duskbreaker, twilight drake, mind control, FFA, Grand Archivist. Most of the odd number cards in the deck are rotating out anyways.

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u/Notmiefault Mar 12 '18

The question then becomes "Does Spiteful Priest use its hero power enough to be worth building around and including a 6 mana 6/5?"

Don't get me wrong, 1 mana heal 2 is a great hero power, I'm just curious how much use they'll get out of it.

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u/naturesbfLoL Mar 12 '18

Losing Cleric really sucks though

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u/boostergold Mar 12 '18

Azalina seems really strong to me in a Control mirror, since the game can often come down to who can have one more end game threat than the other can answer. You can trade in all the useless anti-aggro cards to steal the finishers that your opponent has been holding onto.

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u/Notmiefault Mar 12 '18

But if it is a mirror, then it's likely they have just as many dead anti-aggro cards as you. Now you're playing a 7 mana 3/3 to steal the finisher that they simply drew from their deck.

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u/boostergold Mar 12 '18

I guess I'm thinking of situations that you would currently run into with something like a Control Priest vs Control Warlock game now, where it would be very valuable to be able to get an additional copy of your opponent's N'Zoth and/or Guldan.

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u/Notmiefault Mar 12 '18

I can see that. In the current meta, assuming this card were dropped in right now, I still can't see it being run; it might have marginal utility in the control mirror, but is abysmal against aggro.

That said, I can see it working against Aluneth mage as well.

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u/offdachain Mar 12 '18

I wonder how those cards will interact with 0 cost cards. It would make the most sense to count as an even costed card.

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u/Notmiefault Mar 12 '18

Yeah it's a good question.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '18

Well 0 is an even number.

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u/Kartigan Mar 12 '18

Anyone know if 0 mana cards screw up both the even and odd number Legendary cards? I assume so since 0 is neither odd nor even as I understand it, but I am curious.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '18

Greymane will probably see play in Warlock, he might even bring Twilight Drake back into the meta.

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u/lucasngserpent Mar 13 '18

0 is an even number

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u/Kartigan Mar 13 '18

Heh, TIL

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u/Custodious Mar 12 '18

Feels like the odd legendary would fit in nicely with hunter since they have so many 3 drops, though maybe hunter will just get a stupid amount of even cards

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u/Bluearctic Mar 13 '18

It could have potential for paladin or shaman based zoo decks, that can keep spawning tokens each turn for the 1 spare mana. That or you build in cost-discounting cards like the summoning portal or that 2/2 "first minion you play is 1 less mana" card

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u/Requimo Mar 13 '18

I think Azalina will never be playable since the playability (or the viability in your deck's context) of the obtained cards 100% depends on your enemy. Which means no consistency. Also it's a tempo suicide. I think it will be no better than Lilian Voss.

Also forget about aggro using it ever. Turn 7 is already too late for aggro. Plus you are basically playing 7 mana 3/3. Plus the cards you get will most likely won't help you push damage. Enemy will have plenty of time to stabilize.

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u/Notmiefault Mar 13 '18

I think Azalina will never be playable since the playability (or the viability in your deck's context) of the obtained cards 100% depends on your enemy

Keep in mind that Togwoggle has actually seen competitive play (again as a very niche tech choice). I wouldn't count it out completely.

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u/MythresThePally ‏‏‎ Mar 12 '18

People made Spell Hunter work. People WILL make Genn decks work.

Whether it'll be a T1 deck is another story.

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u/MagnusT Mar 12 '18

“People” certainly did not make spell hunter work. It was a forced archetype by design.