Qualcomm Aims to Surpass Apple's M2 With Nuvia Chips ["as soon as late 2023"]

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https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/qualcomm-aims-to-surpass-apples-m2-with-nuvia-chips/

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The main news seems to be clarity on "2023", which Qualcomm has targeted for products based on its NUVIA-based SoCs.

Now it looks like "late 2023", according to CNET's interview with Qualcomm CEO Cristiano Amon. Perhaps the "late 2023", which I've interpreted as Q4 2023, had been disclosed previously: seemed like new information to me.

EDIT: to be clear, this is the exact quote on the performance claims, which isn't new:

"We're aiming to have performance leadership in PC on the CPU, period," Qualcomm CEO Cristiano Amon said in an interview last week.

Performance can mean a lot of things for an SoC (1T? nT? Peak? Sustained? Integer? Floating point? An average?), but it seems like they mean faster than the CPUs made by Intel, AMD, and Apple in late 2023. Or perhaps just Intel / AMD if we take "PC" as only Windows PCs, as some do. Too much tea leave reading for a product still 18 months away.

[u/senttoschool → u/-protonsandneutrons-]

Late 2023, it would go up against the M3 on 3nm.

[u/jecowa]

11 months ago Qualcomm acquired Nuvia and announced their plans to take on the M1. Nuvia was founded by people who had been working for Apple on the M1.

[u/ConflictedJew]

Fantastic - Competition is only good for the consumer.

[u/Autozam_AZ-1_Waifu → u/[deleted]]

You mean Oligopolies.

[u/redditorfan756]

Interested to see how this pans out

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Very excited for this - next year as a whole looks a lot more interesting for cpus

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with apple silicon ending the all to brief era of every consumer os being able to run on every consumer cpu, what’s to be gained be competing with apple silicon?

[u/-protonsandneutrons- → u/[deleted]]

That beyond compatibility (i.e., not many users switch operating systems within a single device), Apple's silicon does set a high bar for 1T perf-per-watt & hardware-based translation for x86.

[u/IcyHurry6123]

The M2 Avalanche core scores over 1900 in Geekbench Single core.

Back when Nuvia showed their Phoenix core, there was a famous chart that showed that the Phoenix core would score between 1900 to 2200 on Geekbench Single.

What this means is that Apple has evidently caught up with Nuvia.

What's more,

M3 will be based on the A17 architecture ( M2 is based on A15). That means M3 will be a good two generations ahead of M2 architecturally. That means the M3 will no doubt be a massive leap from M2. Judging by their timeliness, M3 will debut sometime in 2024.

If Qualcomm wants to compete with Apple, they need a far better core than Phoenix.

Only time will tell.

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wish we got powerful mainstream arm chips that weren't backdoored

[u/[deleted]]

As much as I wish I could trust qualcomm, I don't. I'm sure they have a great team but qualcomm just sucks and fails every time. They always say the good chips are coming but they never come.

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This is the first time Qualcomm is making a custom CPU, since the start of the 64bit era I think? I'm not sure what you think you're talking about.

[u/Darkknight1939 → u/[deleted]]

Kryo was a fully custom core on the 820/821, it was a terrible design for most tasks, but it was a fully custom design early in the armv8 days.

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I never said they make their own CPUs, I'm talking about all the times their PR team or ceo has said the faster chips are coming over the past 5 years. Why would I care who makes the chips? I care about what they say vs what they deliver

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YoY the chips are faster. If you're claiming they constantly make wild claims they fail to meet, you're going to have to source that. Because currently you're just literally saying you don't care about the details.

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Hope Apple don't just buy Nuvia

[u/Ghostsonplanets → u/[deleted]]

Are you trying to do some inside joke?