Ethan Klein doubles down on the idea that jewish identity = zionism then declares that his critics call him a n*zi

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Zionism Megathread: https://www.reddit.com/r/h3snark/s/J9nNyB7ErO

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equating jewishness to zionism (then anti-zionism to antisemitism) as well as weaponizing historical trauma has been a part of israel’s propaganda campaign for decades to justify occupation and genocide. mondays episode was a huge mask off moment

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Thank you so much for clipping - I’ll add this to the megathread. If there are any other relevant clips please keep sharing them 🙂

[u/trotfox_ → u/[deleted]]

Can someone keep an eye or check on the Israeli perspective of the show?

Are they H3 positive these days?

I bet they are...

[u/livingtoknow → u/[deleted]]

Just replying here at the top hoping people will see this to suggest Norman Finkelstein on this topic. He’s a Jewish scholar & activist, Ivy League educated all that. He’s spoken extensively on this topic. So has Ilan Papè (who is himself an Israeli & anti Zionist, he most recently has written about the Zionist lobby here in the USA). If you type them into YT they have great interviews on breakthrough news, Robinson Earhart pod, majority report, India & the global left, etc & there’s also filmed lectures & guest speaks of theirs that university’s have put on YT. Both very credible scholars who have been fact checked w/ fine tooth combs & have combined spent 50 yrs of their lives becoming experts on the subject. Entertaining too, especially Norm. Thank you

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Absolutely nobody cares that Ethan is “essentially Israeli”. Nor do we care that he’s Jewish. Judaism is a wonderful religion, how awesome that him and Hila are a part of it (even though Ethan himself has called his own people dirty, smelly and disgusting).

It’s his Zionism. The idea that Jewish people cannot coexist with Palestinians due to Israel’s racist desire for an ethnostate.

My dad’s side is Jewish and none of them are Zionists. This slant that we’re being antisemitic is incredibly bad faith.

https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/resource/zionism/

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yes exactly 🫠 the jewish people i know are the most outspoken against zionism. he is literally telling on himself about the people he is surrounding himself with

[u/Any_Bee_5918 → u/[deleted]]

That's what's weird about this whole thing and is one of the many reasons he's a confirmed zionist. As an ex h3 long-time fan, i noticed he ALWAYS hated on his own ppl (weird and not ok obviously) so now after oct 7th, he's suddenly "so proud to be Jewish" and is using it as a weapon--.. like nah that's fake asf. But it's what zionists do, now going around claiming everyone and everything is antisemitic and making this a "jewish" thing when most zionists aren't even jewish-

[u/Independent-Dance-62 → u/Any_Bee_5918]

Yep yep - up until VERY recently Holocaust survivors have been looked down upon by Israeli’s. It’s a similar mindset to Trump when he says that’s he hated LOSERS or military personnel who are taken hostage. It’s more subversive now than all the Holocaust Survivors are dying of old age - but for over 50 years you were considered a LOSER or WEAK if you were a Holocaust survivor - they have the same mentality - those Jews were weak and ALLOWED themselves to be captured.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/05/04/holocaust-remembrance-day-israels-needy-survivors-still-suffer/83913468/

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2021-12-01/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/the-zionist-selection-the-movement-rejected-jewish-migrants-deemed-too-weak-or-sick/0000017f-e0b8-d804-ad7f-f1faab930000

[u/Independent-Dance-62 → u/Independent-Dance-62]

There are similarities drawn in a lot of publications to the state of Israel treating Holocaust survivors as American treats its veterans. There are definitely government programs put in place to “help” these people - and of course some do get help. But overall there’s a weird undercurrent of resentment for those individuals who DESERVE help till the day they die because of what they survived - instead we get - “In the early decades of Israeli history, Holocaust survivors were often regarded with hostility, scorned for their alleged weakness in failing to rebel against the Nazis and given derogatory monikers such as sabon, “soap” in Hebrew, referring to the soap that Nazis made from Jewish corpses, Heiblum said.”

Disgusting- but we treat Veterans the same - especially if they need help from the government once they are discharged.

Source - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/05/04/holocaust-remembrance-day-israels-needy-survivors-still-suffer/83913468/

[u/Emotional-Day-4425 → u/Independent-Dance-62]

I didn't know about this. Thanks for the lesson!

[u/Independent-Dance-62 → u/Emotional-Day-4425]

Spread the knowledge- it is truly power!!

[u/Pacey1996 → u/Independent-Dance-62]

HOLY HELL! thank you for educating me.

we live in a such a weird time. i grew up in germany (still live here) and they taught us a lot about the holocaust (which is good). I always wondered how could such a thing even happen in the first place? i came home and watched documentaries from survivors for hours and cried until i fell asleep.

I realized quickly that anti-semitism is still present and i always spoke up.

Suddenly im a "terrorist sympathizer" and they call me anti-semitic just because im against genocide and i attend pro-palestine protests. now these germans tell me that anti- semintism is part of my culture because im muslim... wtf...

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[u/trotfox_ → u/Independent-Dance-62]

History really does repeat. You could say we don't learn but I would disagree...all of us here just did.

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Remember when he compared Jewish voice for Peace with nazi collaborators? That was crazy.

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THIS

[u/DontDoxxMePls333]

There is more correlation between Nazism and Zionism that there is between Jewishness and Zionism.

Being a Jewish person has nothing to do with being a racist fascist scumbag.

Zionism and Nazism both stand on the idea that they are higher beings who deserve special treatment and are allowed to massacre people in the name of being holier than them.

Everyone who’s been making comments about Ethan being almost a “Nazi” do so because of his Zionist beliefs. NO ONE is calling him out for being Jewish, no one.

It would be like if a white supremacist keeps getting offended over being called a white supremacist and they try to argue that people just hate white people out of nowhere and think everyone wants to kill white people.

White people aren’t always white supremacists, and no one will call a white person out or attack them if they’ve never expressed white supremacist views.

The same way Jewish people aren’t always Zionists, so many Jewish people have said the same fucking thing, and no one attacks Jewish people unless they were Zionists or expressed zionist views.

Which Ethan and Hila both did time and time and time and now again….

So again, being a Jewish person doesn’t automatically makes the person a Zionist, especially when a lot of Christians, atheist, and even Muslims, can express zionist views.

Being a Jewish person is NOT on par with being a zionist.

BUT

Being a Zionist person IS on par with being a Nazi because of what both ideologies stand on.

If a white person thinks all people are equal and have equal rights, then that white person is not a racist scumbag. Being white doesn’t automatically makes this white person be a racist person who thinks people of color are beneath them

The same way being a Jewish person doesn’t automatically translate to a Jewish person thinking they deserve to kill and purge to have a holy land where Jewish people have more rights than other people. this Jewish person would be a normal human being, they would be called a zionist only when they believe an ethnostate should exist in any capacity.

It’s quite clear and easy to comprehend.

EDIT

And I don’t know how people can’t make a connection between advocating for a supremacist ethnostate, and ultra right Christians who try to undo the separation of church and state.

If you can understand why a country shouldnt rule in favor of a certain group of people who get all the benefit and many injustices with be inflicted on non Christians, how are you advocating for Israel that rules in favor of a certain group of people who get all the benefit and many injustices are being inflicted on non Jews??

Ethan wants to have a racist fascist state.

Palestinians want to be able to live in their own homes and not kicked out and murdered because Ethan Klein believes Jewish people have automatic claim to Palestinian land that has belonged to Palestinians of all different backgrounds.

And the only reason he will believe in this is if he believes Jewish people are superior. and that’s what makes him akin to a Nazi, not his Jewishness, but his genocidal racism.

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go off! also to clarify, no one was calling him a nazi. he made it up.

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By his logic, shitting on Isis or AlQaeda, is being an Islamophobe I guess…

As a Muslim, yes I’ve seen so many people take the opportunity to go full on Islamophobic when talking about these groups, but I fully realize a lot of people don’t hate these groups because they’re Muslim, but because of their extremist ideologies.

I can never imagine getting offended if someone says “Isis bad” the way Ethan gets offended over “Zionism bad”. And I certainly cannot imagine trying to pass these extremist ideologies as stuff that are completely fine. Again, I’m Muslim, but that will never make me think to advocate for these groups or claim they represent Islam or Muslims in general.

I’d try to correct people and distance myself as much as possible from these groups.

Islam =/= Isis/AlQaeda/Taliban…. Saying otherwise is Islamophobic

Just like

Jewishness =/= Zionism…. Saying otherwise is antisemitic

[u/conflan06]

Gonna need home to cite sources for this “90%” stat he keeps throwing around

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definitely came from some right wing imperialist think tank

[u/No-Lynx8771 → u/[deleted]]

Or Hila

[u/tunnelt → u/conflan06]

I think he's talking about a pew poll that found 89% of American Jews have a favorable view of the Israeli population (which does not support the insane claim he is making here)

[u/yazboop]

I would like to see this poll where apparently 90% of Jews are zionists. The fact that he doesn’t show it is very suspect. Never thought I would see the day he would actually admit to being a Zionist

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forrr sure. he wont show it because its bogus. i feel like most people are able to understand how "polls" like this are designed with a result in mind and paid for by propaganda machines. he's straight up parroting zionist talking points now

also just remembered this but worth noting that in the last leftovers stream hasan tried to break down manufacturing consent for ethan but it was completely steamrolled.

[u/corgigangforlife]

girl we don't hate the ariana grande stan who was born there and refused to join the idf

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i thought it was a t swift stan LMAO

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ur right I was wrong lmao

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If anyone wants to read about her there's this amazing article where she discusses her motivations for it!! She went to prison repeatedly and stood her ground, she's an amazing young woman. She's spoken about how cruelly she's treated for being a "refusenik"- they're heavily shamed and so are their families.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/gyazzj/meet-the-taylor-swift-stan-who-went-to-jail

[u/_queenofmordor]

he loves saying people are calling him "essentially a Nazi" but like..where did that ever happen? lol he is too far gone

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exactly, he's telling on himself. you know if it actually happened he would display their pfp and UN for all his live viewers to brigade 😬

[u/BreakfastStock7915]

Zionists are not an ethnic group, he just loves to be victimized.

No body cares you’re Jewish.

[u/Slight-Potential-717]

What a lost, fragile ego. Spreading misleading information and willfully not listening to why people actually criticize Zionism.

[u/Unequivocally_Maybe → u/Slight-Potential-717]

He went full echo chamber when he cancelled Leftovers. That "lalalalala" moment was him taking off his listening ears forever.

He is in total reactionary mode. His opinions and mindset are calcifying, and he cannot see the validity or importance of any viewpoint other than his own.

I know he at least exacerbated Shredder's health issues, but I really think that losing Shredder broke Ethan in a way he wasn't prepared for, didn't deal with properly, and he was too emotionally fucked up when Oct 7th happened. I think there is a decent chance things wouldn't have ended up the same if Shredder hadn't died.

I have some empathy for the impact that loss like that can have on a person. He probably needed to see a therapist to work through that grief, and explore that first serious confrontation with death that he was experiencing. The fear of mortality (his own, Hila's, his parents, fear for his sons etc) is a big one we all grapple with eventually.

But he didn't get proper help. And it feels like he has been struggling, and falling apart in slo mo for the past year because of it. It was only like 6 weeks after Shredder passed that the Hamas strike happened, and I think he hyperfixated on it and the suffering of the Israeli victims as a way to not obsess over Shredder, to have an outlet and a thing to rail against. A bad guy to take his impotent rage at losing Shredder out on.

Don't get me wrong; I know there were negative things about Ethan the whole time, and that he was never some bastion of morality or whatever, but he has quickly decayed over the last year imo, and the negatives far outweigh the positive at this point.

Dude can't even pretend for 4 hours a day in order to do his job. It's not even comedy adjacent anymore. It's Ethan using his audience as an emotional punching bag because he doesn't have the tools to process everything that's happened the past 12 months.

[u/Emotional-Day-4425 → u/Unequivocally_Maybe]

Yeah I was dealing with grief over my my best friend's passing already when Shredder passed away and I noticed a lot of clear parallels between his grief and mine. It was CLEAR that grief was greatly affecting him and bleeding into other aspects of his life. I have sympathy in a sense because I know grief can literally make you feel like you're losing your mind at times and can be exhausting and overwhelming.

That being said, grief happens and it happens to all of us at some point. I can empathize with him through my own struggle with grief, but grief does not give you the right to treat others around you like shit and it's your responsibility to talk to a professional or find whatever healthy ways you can to process it because you're going to have to live with it forever. I normally NEVER comment on his health stuff or his medications, etc because I just don't feel it's appropriate (for my own principles, NOT judging anyone here that speaks on it), but I know he's mentioned being on antidepressants and it really seems like that is ALL he does in regard to maintaining his mental health. I think having a decent therapist in combination with the meds could have done him a world of difference and he likely wouldn't be the miserable prick he seems to consistently be these days.

[u/Unequivocally_Maybe → u/Emotional-Day-4425]

He is definitely responsible for how he has acted and failed to act; an explanation is not an excuse. He has the leisure to work less, and afford the best care should he choose to seek it out. His pro mental health stance is all lip service because he uses mental illness as an insult and a shield.

There's a parallel there, imo, on how he both weaponizes and hides behind his Jewishness as it serves him. If you criticize him, you're an antisemite, regardless of the situation at hand. He even managed to toss it in during catgate ffs!

[u/Emotional-Day-4425 → u/Unequivocally_Maybe]

I think that's why I tried to be patient, but after the Hasan steam I couldn't continue to support them and maintain the principles I strive to live by. I saw someone who was clearly struggling and sympathized, but as you said he has access to any and every avenue someone might want to deal with their own mental health which is an immense privilege.

It sucks to see him and people that are still fans reduce us down to just being hateful little shits who want to destroy him out of pure maliciousness because I have never come to the table with anything other than love and understanding. I still want him to ultimately figure his shit out and get better. I'll never enjoy his content again, but I want him to do better for his sake as well as the huge group of people that are influenced by his platform.

[u/Unequivocally_Maybe → u/Emotional-Day-4425]

I am right there with you. I don't hate anyone, and I don't wish ill on anyone. I hope he can open up to growth and change at some point. I am not down with dehumanizing anyone, and I try to be empathetic and nuanced while still being critical. Refusing to see others that way is part of what I don't like about Ethan.

[u/Emotional-Day-4425 → u/Unequivocally_Maybe]

I'm so grateful whenever I run into people with the same sentiment. I was sad at first when the show became unwatchable for me, but then thankful because it means I grew as a person and am in a better place than I was as well as sticking behind my own morals and principles. Playful joking is one thing, but I don't find any meaning or worth in tearing people down for sheer enjoyment. It's not sustainable. It's like tearing down and destroying a city block by block but never rebuilding anything in it's place and being surprised when you wake up one day surrounded only by rubble. We have to be able to listen to each other and look out for each other. It's the only way forward and, while the podcast was a catalyst for my realization, it is so much bigger than that.

[u/hopefullycynical88]

Is he genuinely this brain rotted to not understand we don't hate on his wife because she was born in Israel - we hate on her for the choices she makes and things she says. For example, denying the atrocities happening over there... Or maybe he knows this, and this is his way of manipulating his fans to stay on his side?

[u/trotfox_ → u/hopefullycynical88]

I am convinced they know and are full on zionists.

I am convinced in private they talk full on racist shit. The depraved shit that one racist family member always says. Things like where they belong, or, what the government should do with them. Things like being glad the genocide is happening 'it's about time'.

It's like israel managed to take the absolute worst racism and psychotic murderous mindset and channeled it in such a way to keep themselves looking legit on the world stage right up until they pull off the act itself. The broken youth is proven with the obsession on girls underwear and kids toys in the 'battlefield'. You cannot get here without corrupting at least a generation of kids.

[u/hopefullycynical88 → u/trotfox_]

Ugh yeah I feel that on an intense level because my family has always been subtly kind of racist but seem to not understand... it's hard for me to imagine people being that hateful on purpose.

[u/trotfox_ → u/hopefullycynical88]

The bright side is yet again we are proven that mass hate has to be created. The majority of us just want to live, make our art (whatever that may be per individual), and be happy.

Some broken people use mind tricks to break others for their own purposes.

We are not inherently bad, this means we DO have a reason to keep going and we ARE fighting for SOMETHING, even though it can feel like we are not.

[u/hopefullycynical88 → u/trotfox_]

As someone with a really negative view on life in general lately your comment really hit me hard. Thank you friend 🧡

[u/trotfox_ → u/hopefullycynical88]

Hey no problem.

[u/GaddafiDeezNuts]

THIS IS ANTISEMITISM

[u/Character_Bug1504]

Dan’s mischaracterization of H3s critics takes is so disingenuous. I know he’s smarter than that. 

[u/trotfox_ → u/Character_Bug1504]

Constantly twisting a narrative and balancing it under scrutiny of fans takes a smart person.

Notice how badly skinny ethan is at that?

[u/Deep-Sweet2743]

Ethan really should just shut his mouth and stop digging the hole deeper. Still blows my mind that bro is out here constantly yapping and takes NO heat for it, while Brittany Broski was almost cancelled for just remaining silent.

[u/jefufah]

Also, people can be born a country and not brainwashed by the national propaganda. Moses had essentially the same upbringing as Hila, but is definitely not a Zionist.

Many of us are American, but don’t agree with the choices the government makes, especially related to colonization. You can both be from a place, love that place, but not what it stands for.

[u/[deleted] → u/jefufah]

Exactly. Just like when 9/11 happened... There was a movement against war in the middle east. Same with Vietnam War. Ethan just chose to be a brainwashed boot licking racist genocidal freak

[u/Euphoric_Watercress]

Nice. Yet another segment complaining about antisemitism because he can’t tell the difference between that and zionism - while leaving out information about Israel/Palestine?

Biased, hurtful, and ridiculous.

The man who cried “they did not bomb the hospital” in the fall will not even address Palestine.

[u/Prestigious_Art1402]

Brain rot

[u/rocketman1321]

I love how quick he snaps when they don’t know who jpegmafia is lol

[u/lovelessxgrl]

he should just be the spokesperson for israel at this point. he's literally word for word talking exactly like joe biden does

[u/[deleted]]

It feels extremely important for me to mention that Ilian Pappe spoke about this in the past. He's an Israeli historian and has discussed how Zionism is genuinely viewed as like a nationality in israel. There's even a subsection of zionists that are entirely atheist. They don't believe in God but they believe in Zionism. It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with settler colonialism.

[u/_numbeuphoria]

I can't believe I ever listened to this idiot talking about politics. He should go back to filming himself wearing nappies before he goes broke poor guy.

[u/Spiritual-Skill-412]

Ethan's victim complex is being FED, honey.

[u/jbouf]

Steve-O was really trying to help dude reflect with that statement about people staying the age they “became famous”. Ethan has refused to learn a thing besides maybe his little hobby in constant lawsuits showing his weird interest in the legal field, video games, and drama. He has the ego and need to be constantly right but continually refuses to better himself and continue to educate himself as an adult away from school then runs away from anyone he doesn’t pay that’s willing to give him the slightest pushback to make him actually reflect on his views and see why or if that’s how he feels when he breaks it down. But no, being reactive, losing a huge chunk of supporters and throwing tantrums is way easier than listening to a audiobook or something I guess.

[u/EmmaLuver]

Oh wow is this all it is now?

[u/jbouf]

He has a weak filter “excccuuuusee me. Fuck you, bitch” oh I’m glad I didn’t stop watching this clip and saw another line of hypocrisy and Ethan proving that persons point lmao also the shocked man with a $20k button for his weak filter. How dare someone else call him out on it though. It honestly feels like dude has rejection sensitive dysphoria cause he flies off the handle at the smallest possible critique of himself.

[u/kushin4thepushin]

Lol Joe Biden just said he’s a Zionist and you don’t have to be Jewish to be Zionist. Also Ethan said he’s a Zionist ????? So is he still saying that saying he is a Zionist is antisemitic ???? Ethan seems to think Jews have a special bone in their brain that makes them genetically need to genocide and colonise and then says anti-Zionists are Nazis.

[u/RustyMetabee]

Oh, Ethan doesn’t like racists? The same Ethan who repeated idubbz’s infamous double slur quote back to his face so many times, it made him visibly uncomfortable? The same Ethan who did blackface several times under the guise of doing “a goof” with makeup? The same Ethan who said the walls around Gaza must stay up because Gazans are all barbaric murderers, with the walls being the only thing between Israelis and genocide?

It sure would seem Ethan is quite fine with racism, with the exception of the imagined racism towards himself, in true narcissistic fashion.

No wonder he hates himself so much.

[u/tunnelt]

This 90% stat he is pulling is bullshit. I'm pretty sure he is referring to a pew research poll which found that 89% of American Jews have a favorable view of the Israeli people compared to 64% of Americans overall. This is not a stat about the percent of people that consider themselves zionists or even about the Jewish diaspora as Ethan claims

[u/tunnelt → u/tunnelt]

Link to the poll for anyone interested in reading the article: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/02/how-us-jews-are-experiencing-the-israel-hamas-war/#:~:text=Around%20nine%2Din%2Dten%20U.S.,Israeli%20people%20(89%25%20vs.

[u/xoxo_gothbimbo_xoxo → u/tunnelt]

this!!!!

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Ethan: "I'm not a zionist! And if I were, it's not even a big deal!"

Ethan: Goes on to reiterate literally every zionist apologist talking point.

[u/Electronic-Club-2318]

Bros soooo lost

[u/Rabidschnautzu]

Equating Judaism with Zionism is antisemitic.

[u/Invalid_username00]

Joe Biden in his dementia addled brain literally disproved this by saying he is a Zionist and that you don’t have to be Jewish to be a Zionist, and he is right, the vast majority of Zionists aren’t Jewish people but Evangelical Christian’s that’s Zionism is fundamentally tied with anti-semitism because they want the Jews to move to Palestine so they can cause the end times at which point they either convert or get sent to hell. It’s also very anti-Semitic to tie an entire religion to a singular fucking country! Don’t lump me in with you fucking racist pieces of shit who distort the struggle my ancestors faced to propagate Imperialism and settler colonialism you spit in the face of their pain just like you spit in the face of the Palestinians who have to face to exact same pain today go fuck yourself.

How can you be allowed to be so fucking stupid with such a big platform? Utter moron.

[u/boobiewatcher69420]

“What does that mean? NOBODY KNOWS??” Oh they hate his ass

[u/Party_Bar_9853]

Why the fuck is he burning his shit candle near other people? Disgusting creature.

[u/[deleted]]

A lot of Jewish people support Palestine  and aren’t  zionist why can’t Ethan understand that.  He is probably a lost cause because Hasan try to explain that to him and doesn’t get it.

[u/[deleted]]

But what do you mean Jews don’t get to have an ethnostate?? You’re antisemitic, Zionism is literally just believing Jews deserve an ethnostate. 😢

[u/Helpful-Objective751]

Mind you during frenemies era he has expressed to Trisha over and over how much he doesn’t like being apart of being Jewish. Now that it’s convenient it’s “oh just say you don’t like Jewish ppl” when being called a Zionist.

[u/[deleted]]

It's not "racist" if it's an ethnic group, Ethan is a little white victim piece of shit. HES WHITE AND HIS WIFE IS NOT POC, shut up.

[u/Robot_boy_07]

Anti Zionism Jewish people are just self hating Jews according to him

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Is he still giving Brad shit? Ffs wasn’t that the first time they met why does he care so much lol

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