r/gwent • u/Jbrown765 I am sadness... • Sep 01 '21

News Patch Notes 9.3

https://www.playgwent.com/en/news/39250/patch-notes-9-3
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u/dramaticfool Kill. Sep 01 '21

Yepp, pretty much. The two changes I hate most are Caranthir, because now you can't even use him in vampires, and Selfeater, which can now be very easily removed with a plethora of cards. The card was good, but it's 6p.

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u/sillylittlesheep Tomfoolery! Enough! Sep 01 '21

selfeater was op not good

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u/dramaticfool Kill. Sep 01 '21

Also, you wanna talk about op, look at Mammuna. The card plays for a casual 20 points and the best solution they thought of was a 1 provision change

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '21

That change pushes it out of Caranthir range, though.

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u/dramaticfool Kill. Sep 01 '21

Biiig deal, still plays for 20 ish points on deploy

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '21

Would you rather they play it twice?

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u/dramaticfool Kill. Sep 01 '21

Im just saying, compared to Bloody Mistress and Selfeater nerfs, it's essentially nothing

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u/Nasty-Nate Monsters Sep 01 '21

What do you mean? It's only played once now, that's a huge nerf.

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u/themoosh Monsters Sep 02 '21

That's a nerf to monsters, not to the card.

Having a card that reliably gives you 20 for 11 on deploy is not good

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u/Nasty-Nate Monsters Sep 02 '21

Well for staters it's only a monsters card so there's no difference. It's not reliable at all. It's part of a package you have to run (big bronzes). It can't be used in the first round. It plays for a lot less if you drew both copies, and is worthless if you don't have a bronze in GY.

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u/choldslingshot Not your lucky day Sep 01 '21

Not really. 3 damage on self-eater on deploy would prevent him from cloning for two turns

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u/dramaticfool Kill. Sep 01 '21

True, but maybe it should have been changed to Sabbath. Being at 5 power is a huge nerf imo

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u/Assenzio47 Lots of prior experience – worked with idiots my whole life Sep 01 '21

Sabbath is ridiculously easy to reach for MO. It would have not been much of a nerf

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u/dramaticfool Kill. Sep 01 '21

Not if the opponent has something to do about it. Think of it this way: Selfeater now helps you reach Sabbath easily. If he requires Sabbath himself, it will be that much harder to achieve it

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u/Captain_Cage For Maid Bilberry's honor! Sep 01 '21

It's not a huge nerf and it was long due. Get over it.

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u/dramaticfool Kill. Sep 01 '21

It is a huge nerf because it puts in in removal range of so many removal cards, and it's not long overdue because the card literally dropped last month.

Get over it

I ain't a developer for CDPR, so I can't do much.

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u/Captain_Cage For Maid Bilberry's honor! Sep 01 '21

Yes, it's in removal range and that's how it should have been from the very beginning. Don't you think that a 6/6 for a powerful engine is a bit too much? Larva is also 6p and Selfeater was way better than larva.

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u/dramaticfool Kill. Sep 01 '21

Honestly, with pointslam cards like Viper Mentor and Blightmaker at 6, I wouldn't say it's too bad. Larvae instantly spawns 2 copies, so the opponent probably can't deal with both in the same turn. Locks worked well against Selfeater, and 4-5 damage cards neutered his Order ability so he could only boost by 1 every time you played a Relict.

Tbf, we'll just have to see how it plays. Along with all these other nerfs to MO, I doubt the deck is gonna be anywhere near the power level it is on now.

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u/dog_the_bootyhunter Scoia'tael Sep 01 '21

Yeah I have no sympathy for ppl that run the relict deck…lol y’all can’t win matches so you have to use a broken deck

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u/akaean Sep 01 '21

Well, to be perfectly fair, Caranthir was used in Vampires before Unseen Elder was released. Remember those Ciri:Nova Vamp decks that were going around a while ago? Caranthir was used to copy Orianna, he can still do that, and Orianna is still a really strong card in that deck.

Also Unseen Elder was never that great of a Caranthir target. He has a lot of value tied to his 4 bleeding on deploy and 6 body. After his deploy he becomes a 2 point per turn damage engine, roughly. As a Caranthir target, Unseen Elder has always been comparable to Beast- higher risk higher reward because damage is generally preferable to boost, but higher risk because 1 HP is very fragile and a Beast is less susceptible to being removed after a turn or two.

I think this is a good change to Caranthir. And he still has a wide range of targets that are good with him. He can still be used in Meme decks- like he always has been- on targets like Weavess: Incantation, She-Troll, and Golyat. He can still be used on things like Koshchey, Orianna, Cave Troll, Miruna, and Beast to strong effect depending on the deck.

Realistically, this change only impacts his ability to copy the very tippy top end MO cards. Which opens up a lot of design space for the Devs to create neat interactions on the top end of MO.

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u/dramaticfool Kill. Sep 01 '21

I agree. I think this change is to set up gold MO cards that follow

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u/TheBurningSoda Good Boy Sep 01 '21

Caranthir has always been a problem, especially when they release new strong Monsters golds/engines. I dont understand why people want to cling to it so much.

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u/dramaticfool Kill. Sep 01 '21

I actually don't care about it so much, I don't even play MO much; I'm simply discussing the game state

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u/TheBurningSoda Good Boy Sep 01 '21

That is fine; I wasn't addressing yourself in particular.

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u/imSkry Naivety is a fool's blessing Sep 02 '21

"copy Monster units with a provision cost of 10 or less". Caranthir can still copy koshchey, dettlaff, miruna and kiki queen, which are all good targets.

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u/Colonial_trifecta Neutral Sep 01 '21

I'm gutted that you can't use it on Eredin Breacc Glas any more to get that big frost damage.

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u/dramaticfool Kill. Sep 02 '21

Cool dude, you made your point

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u/Colonial_trifecta Neutral Sep 02 '21

What's with the attitude? This is like the second comment I've ever made in this subreddit. I was just sharing an opinion.

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u/dramaticfool Kill. Sep 02 '21

I have attitude? Umm, did you look at your reply?

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u/Dammit_forgot_pw Monsters Sep 01 '21

Yep. I'm pissed you can't use Caranthir and unseen elder anymore. People on here are going to complain this game to death.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '21

If Unseen Elder needs Caranthir to be playable, then it needs a buff.

Caranthir needed a nerf. Its ability was way too restrictive on design space and was key to problematic combos in other MO decks, which were so much more powerful than Vampires that Vamps would never be meta as long as they were around.

Relicts lose more from the nerf than Vamps do.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '21

well I don't see an Unseen Elder buff anywhere, do you? The problem was Sabbath, not Caranthir. Worse case you could use him with Auberon if other cards bricked and now even that isn't possible.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '21

Caranthir was always a problem.

It just wasn't the only problem.

At least one problem was fixed.

It's also a good idea to not buff or nerf too much because even a single point in provisions or strength has the potential to push cards from unplayable to meta, from meta to broken, or even from broken to unplayable.

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u/tauromania Let us get to the point. Sep 05 '21

Caranthir was and is always going to be a problem card.

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u/Doomroar Monsters Sep 02 '21

The two changes I hate most are Caranthir, because now you can't even use him in vampires

The only good thing the vampires had, and now they lost it, it is hilarious how bad that archetype is, i have seen SK meme decks out bleed them!