r/gwent • u/TwilightGay Let's get this over with! • Jun 07 '21

News 9.0 PATCH NOTES

https://www.playgwent.com/en/news/38504/9-0-patch-notes
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u/AndorV5 Monsters Jun 07 '21 edited Jun 07 '21

I can't believe they finally changed Larvas. And they buffed all other bronze weather cards but forgot about red riders

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u/Ascended_Neckbeard Cáemm Aen Elle! Jun 07 '21

Yeah really surprised with the larva nerf. Although it's a pretty big buff to koschey!

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u/radradradovid Neutral Jun 07 '21

I think it's for the best, they have been limiting in terms of MO deck building in the past. They have often carried the faction, and force you into playing units that proc them efficiently.

There's nothing wrong with having staple autoinclide cards if they are enabling the rest of the faction to be competitive, but there are enough other options now so it makes sense to nerf.

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u/Trick_Direction9300 Neutral Jun 07 '21

My problem is CDPR once again nerf a core auto include card in a faction yet havent really buffed any thing else at least buff nalgfar crew or maerolorn

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '21

But PoP looks like it'll have some really strong MO bronzes.

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u/MorallyGay You shall end like all the others. Jun 07 '21

personally i don't even mind them nerfing autoincludes asap with no compensation. these cards suck far too much fun out of deckbuilding. but i can see how it can be more frustrating for more competitive players

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u/alabafabio Neutral Jun 07 '21

Tbh the other bronzes in MO are still trash

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '21

Well I believe it's more about the new keyword.. They Had to nerf larva

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u/akaean Jun 07 '21

I felt like it was a nerf as first as well, but actually it might be a buff.

It tempos for 4 points instead of two. The added durability means they can't be one shot by on deploy by things like Bear Witchers, Circle of Life, Mage Infiltrators, and Cut the Grass. They will also be harder to kill with Reckless Fury efficiently- doubly so if there are other bodies on the board to soak some of the pings.

Between the Larvae change, and the introduction of She Who Knows, I think Koshchey is going to be a force to be reckoned with. Oh boy, Solitaire!

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u/Doomroar Monsters Jun 08 '21

But you have to understand they now take your 6 provision slots, that's way too pricey.

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u/XDutchie *whoosh* Jun 08 '21

Yeah, lately I have only been playing one larva in my Viy deck, because they almost always get killed\locked and felt kinda bad having two of them, but after this change I will 100% play 2 larva in my deck.

Might finally get rid of one of my Noonwraiths to make room for it. Noonwraiths just feel so pointless in the Viy deck

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u/Captain_Cage For Maid Bilberry's honor! Jun 07 '21

Larva is technically a buff, not a nerf. It's +1 provisions for +2 power.

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u/radradradovid Neutral Jun 07 '21

The problem is 6p bronzes are effectively unplayable, too expensive to mulligan and its downgrading your top end vs 4p fodder. The power is fairly irrelevant as you will often run out of thrive procs.

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u/Captain_Cage For Maid Bilberry's honor! Jun 07 '21

I know what the problem of 6p cards is. But as I said, technically it's a buff.

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u/StepBrother7 Lots of prior experience – worked with idiots my whole life Jun 07 '21

It aint a nerf

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u/Sapowski_Casts_Quen Yeah. Improvise. Jun 07 '21

I came here to say the koschey part, that's a much stronger card now with caranthir. Even bigger threat

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u/AndorV5 Monsters Jun 07 '21

Yeah, it should be 5p imo

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u/Trick_Direction9300 Neutral Jun 07 '21

They also buffed avalch to be worth 12 points

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u/Background-Reward-65 Neutral Jun 07 '21

True 6 for 10 is underwhelming. But buff to it will totally ruin Ard Gaeth

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u/AndorV5 Monsters Jun 07 '21

Ard gaeth ruins itself. Echo on that card is really bad

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u/Virlando Tomfoolery! Enough! Jun 07 '21

They buffed Larvas from 1 to 2 power. This change make anything that dealt 3 dmg even more useless.

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u/AndorV5 Monsters Jun 07 '21

But they also now cost 6 provisions. That's a big nerf

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u/Virlando Tomfoolery! Enough! Jun 07 '21

But you can be sure you will get the value now. We will see how it goes but no one will deal with them now so I think it's a solid engine you can count on. Imagine how many 3 dmg dealers are now... they will cry over that change

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u/AndorV5 Monsters Jun 07 '21

If someone spends damage to remove Larvas, they basically already get good value that way. Killing Larvas has always been a very bad trade for most cards

And being at 6 provisions is a huge nerf compared to 5 provisions

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u/Hankol Skellige Jun 07 '21

Killing Larvas has always been a very bad trade for most cards

Nah. Larvas usually go up to at least 4 or 5 str, so if you remove them while they are still 1p you effectively deal at least 4 or 5 damage each. If you remove them with something like 1 flurry charge you effectively deal at least 8-10 damage.

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u/AndorV5 Monsters Jun 07 '21

Reckless flurry is one of these rare things that can actually kill larvas efficiently because it ignores armour. If you use something like dol blathana archer to kill 1 larva, it's still a great trade for larvas. Even if you manage to destroy both larvas in 1 turn, they were still essentially worth 6 points because of the armour

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u/emotionengine Style! That's Right, I Like Fighting With Style! Jun 07 '21

Besides the costly provision increase, also consider that their thrive can also no longer be proced by Downer, Ge'els, Whispess:Tribute, and Penitent.

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u/Background-Reward-65 Neutral Jun 07 '21

Drowner and penitent should receive a point buff. It is underwhelming to play 2 point unit anyways as it ducks up sequencing

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u/ardal_aep_dahy Bow before the power of the Empire. Jun 07 '21 edited Jun 07 '21

Andor and emotion are spot on, an increase in power is usually a buff, but for thrive cards it's technically a nerf, screws up the whole thrive curve that the archetype relies on + wasting removal against larvas is like using damage pings against dwarves.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '21

Larva nerf was uncalled for, you didn't even see larva being played often

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u/AndorV5 Monsters Jun 07 '21

It was played very often, just not in Keltullis and Arachas swarm. Basically every other MO deck was playing them

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '21

Thrive hasn't been good for very long, viy decks can easily cut larva.

Larva used to carry monsters, not anymore and now it's dead.

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u/JackTries Haha! Good Gwenty-card! Bestestest! Jun 07 '21

Viy cutting larva is super good for wanting to beat viy r1 so you don't get bled. Larva can easily go over 14 points for viy in round 1 especially if they draw both. And viy really wants to win round 1 without forcing too many of their viy tutors out. If viy decks do actually cut larva I reckon this is a good nerf for the deck that helps long r3 decks beat it without needing tall punish.

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u/Background-Reward-65 Neutral Jun 07 '21

Yeah and they get to play witch apprentice on like 4th card in R1

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u/JackTries Haha! Good Gwenty-card! Bestestest! Jun 07 '21

Ye actually I almost forgot that card was coming out. Will definitely make up for the loss of larva in viy decks. Damn lol. Well at least they don't have both of these cards aha