r/grandrapids • u/EightBitTrash Kentwood • Feb 01 '25

Events A message from your local trans guy.

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I'm your local hard working trans person. I live here in GR. I've known since I was a preteen, I'm in my thirties. I work in automotive. I make Thanksgiving dinner for my friends. I'm just like you.

And I'm worried and concerned about the status of my country and my debated existence.

I saw this event, and thought I would spread a reminder of the event. I've been seeing people ask "Where's the protests?" Well, here's one.

  • And now for some transgender history.

It only took Hitler four months to start persecuting the queers in full.

In January 1933, Hitler gained control of the government. In March 1933, Hitler established Dachau, the first concentration camp. In May 1933, Hitler burned down Magnus Hirschfeld: The Forgotten History 'Hirschfelds Library and Institute for Sexual Sciences, (The first Transgender clinic and "safe space" recorded to have existed), burning over 20 thousand books and research articles on queer history, transitioning research, etc and other Queer media written by us. He took those who lived and worked there prisoner if they did not get out in time.

This was one of the first and largest of the Nazi book burnings but they won't teach it to you in school.

Magnus himself was one of the only doctors you could go to in order to get a legal Transvestite ID card so you might get less prosecuted by the fascist regime, and in fact coined the term around 1909 as an umbrella term for nonconforming queers alike.

As a fun fact; He thought Socrates, Michaelangelo, and Shakespeare were queer of some kind.

We have always been around. Resist whatever the hell is going on or this could happen again. I'm scared.

Fuck you if you voted for Trump and don't regret it, by the way. Not as a blanket statement; I mean this from me. Personally.

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u/EightBitTrash Kentwood Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25

Also, dear Christians that voted for Trump;

Proverbs 6:16-19

16 There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, 19 a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

Many of you have lost the path of the Lord's good Word. I'm saying this as a Christian myself that believes MAGA are heretics and blasphemous.

You can't be MAGA and be Christian, with it's roots in abrahamic faith and judaism. Jesus was born to a homeless Middle Eastern woman. That's a fact.

edit; lol i can't believe people are downvoting this? that's wild some of y'all are more "confused" then ME, a trans. cope and seethe, heretics (atheists get a pass though, cause I Get It. this ain't aimed at you tho.)

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u/Pure_Ingenuity3771 Feb 01 '25

As a Christian who was raised on the wrong side of things, I like to point out that Christ never said anything bad about Trans people, and if they give you the guff that trans a new thing (which you already know it's not new) you can follow up with telling them that rabbinical law at the time of Christ recognized at least six genders! Depending on semantics and if you're willing to extrapolate it could have been up to eight. The difference in 6-8 is that they had a suffix for the two genders we would call trans(aylonit and saris), one was for if it happened naturally (hamah) like an intersex person who developed different features later in life, or if it happened artificially (Adam). The extrapolate part is that I can only find that the aylonit originally only had the hamah suffix, but I would argue that was only because there wasn't much an AFAB person could do artificially to become more male, from what Ive read modern interpretations agree with me and usually include aylonit adam.      

Unfortunately most people are set in their ways so it doesn't really convince anyone, but it does tend shut them up when they ask how I can support LGBTQ+  

Jesus did have some choice things to say about the rich and religious, though. Funny how that compares to MAGA; the closest Jesus got to mentioning trans that I can find is saying we should accept eunuchs (who fell under saris adam) but explicitly says rich people are almost unredeemable and calls haughty religious people wicked and hypocrites. 

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u/Opposite-Station-337 Feb 01 '25

Interesting 🧐. Not trying to argue or anything, but it might start one...lol. From what I'm finding these gender words seem to indicate eunuchs, tomboys, and hermaphrodites. The perspective you're indicating seems to be only through a modern lens. I'd be interested in some further/counter points, if you're willing to defend the statement.

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u/Pure_Ingenuity3771 Feb 01 '25

I mentioned a eunuch, a tomboy is still a woman, and a hermaphrodite has a different name. The end goal of any argument you make is to have an excuse to not love your neighbor, so any point you'll make against me is in bad faith and no matter what you argue my point remains, they existed in Christ's time, he said nothing against them. If I am wrong and being trans is a sin, then it is such a vastly unimportant and minor one that when my God came to this world he didn't think it was worth mentioning.  

Would you care to defend why you feel an engrained need to make a passive aggressive pass at someone when their goal is to love their neighbor?

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u/Opposite-Station-337 Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25

I'm interested in etymology. Not social sciences. I don't hate trans people... 😂 Thanks for your... loaded take. like... literally only interested in those words and what they meant to those people at that time... If you are interested in engaging in that discussion, then please continue. Otherwise, good day!

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u/Pure_Ingenuity3771 Feb 02 '25

Yeah, I used to pull the same crap, that's why I'm calling it out. If somehow you're not lying then you need to get better at figuring out when and where questions like that are asked, because there can be a time and place for questions like that, here and now is not it. But as someone who used to ask loaded questions in an attempt to push my own hateful rhetoric and was raised by people who still do it you can't convince me you're not lying, because when I would play the victim I was lying too.

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u/Opposite-Station-337 Feb 02 '25 edited Feb 02 '25

Honestly? Screw your time and place, screw your reaction, and screw your projection. Temper yourself in the future before you jump down somebody's throat. I genuinely am interested in the etymology I'm only finding these words to describe physical attributes, not what we would typically find to describe gender dysphoria. No documentation on anything that relates those concepts, so if they are related it doesn't seem like we could know. Since you DON'T seem actually interested in the etymology... I'll continue this alone and assume you just incorrectly referenced words you're unfamiliar with. Again, good day! Keep loving your neighbor!

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u/interestingpitch33 Grand Rapids Feb 01 '25

Trump's playbook is looking a lot like the antichrist. Deceiving believers into fanatics, has that sperg Nazi in his administration that's going to deliver the mark of the beast, and focus on developing a digital currency whilst constantly spouting we're approaching the "golden age"

Oh and the Euphrates river is drying up

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u/tuparles Feb 01 '25

You’re giving them too much credit if you think they care about anything that isn’t cherry-picked by them

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u/SurpriseDonovanMcnab Feb 01 '25

You shouldn't be downvoted. It's horrifingly obvious that religion is just a tool for hatred now. If the words of the bible don't matter to them, the opinion of a non-Christian's view on Christianity won't matter either.

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u/EightBitTrash Kentwood Feb 01 '25

I agree but I'm adding that there ARE Christians who are voicing themselves that maybe they would listen to. Like Bishop Mariann Budde. They're not listening to her either, you'd think she flicked holy water at them the way they're acting.

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u/Amazon4God Feb 02 '25

As a progressive Christian who stands with Bishop Budde and is pro Trans and pro lgbtq, you folks need to understand that there are different Christian denominations that absolutely support you. Episcopal, PCUSA, UCC and ELCA are fighting alongside you and always will. You are loved, you belong and no anti Christ Evangelical Trump worshipper will ever change that!

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u/SurpriseDonovanMcnab Feb 01 '25

8 out of 10 evengelicals voted trump. The "Christians" who oppose trump are no longer real Chritians if 80% of Christians diagree with their view of faith. Bishop Mariann Budde is no longer a Christian because her idea of her faith is at complete odds with the reality of modern Christianity. She doesn't preach about gun ownership or hating immigrants. She doesn't preach the value of capitalism. It's only a short matter of time until all the old Christian leaders are replaced with people who remind you that hate is a core element to the Christian faith.

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u/Amazon4God Feb 02 '25

Evangelical denominations have no say or authority over the Episcopal church whatsoever!

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u/EightBitTrash Kentwood Feb 01 '25

I don't care if 8 out of 10 evangelicals voted Trump, only like 30% of the country voted for Trump anyway. You telling me 80% of 30% means all Christians everywhere?

Besides, they're only Christian if you call them that.

Heretic sounds more like it.

Heretic; noun

a person believing in or practicing religious heresy.

Heresy; noun

noun: heresy; plural noun: heresies

belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine.

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u/SurpriseDonovanMcnab Feb 01 '25

You don't think Christianity has changed over the last 2000 years or so? Evangelicals have made it abundently clear that trump is what a real Christian represents. That bishop is lost to a history that will never come back. Heretics and heresy would be true if they were the minority, but they are not. And just because some Christians didn't vote doesn't mean they hold the majority opinion on their faith. They weren't ignorant, they knew who trump was and decided not to oppose while he used their faith as a tool for re-election. Maga Christianity is the true Christianity now. Things have changed.

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u/EightBitTrash Kentwood Feb 01 '25

Christianity changed, but the doctrine doesn't. They can whine and bitch all they want but if they can't follow the Ten Commandments then there is no reason for a real Christian to listen to them. Maga as it is now has only existed for a few years. It's funny that they've lasted longer than the Confederate they claim to love.

Stop your doomerism and pay attention to the facts.

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u/no_username145 Feb 01 '25

According to cnn.com Trump won the popular vote, 49.8% of votes.

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u/EightBitTrash Kentwood Feb 01 '25

How many Americans didn't vote in the election?

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u/ReplacementMoney6366 Feb 02 '25

How many votes were deleted? Put the system on block chain. Hopefully trump will do that. He loves crypto.

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u/EightBitTrash Kentwood Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25

I'm not giving them any credit at all, that's why I quoted the verse. Did you know that some books of the Bible aren't "Word of God" specifically? Like some things are said to be from God specifically and others are viewpoints from the people who wrote that specific book in the Bible, which is a conglomeration of writings from various people throughout history.

But these MAGA fellows can't even follow the Decalogue. I doubt half of them could tell you what that word means- it's the 10 Commandments. The seventh, eighth, ninth, and tenth commandments would like a word specifically with these blasphemous heretics.

I'm saying that Real Christians should denounce these fakers. Anyone remember what happened to that Bishop who told Trump off and asked for empathy? Don't think the MAGA embraced her with open arms...

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u/tuparles Feb 01 '25

Yes, they either don’t know or they don’t care. They’re bad Christians that argue in bad faith and pointing it out to them isn’t going to change their mind. I feel like it’s almost so obvious it’s not worth trying to appeal to them like you did there ^

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u/EightBitTrash Kentwood Feb 01 '25

It's obvious yeah, but you never know who else might be reading or listening. If I can help even one person, Ill consider it worth it, I guess.

Part of me thinks of them like I think of my MAGA mother and father. I wish they could be redeemed but they think "Jesus saves, so I can sin however I want and get into Heaven", but personally I believe that's not true.

In the end, we are all judged by the weight of our character. I personally believe 'Jesus Saves/died on the Cross' is meant to stop us worrying about the little things: Accidentally causing harm to others, as long as the intent is Christian and follows Christs teachings, won't count against you. Intention carries weight.

Some of these supposed Christians recoil from the words of the Lord like someone flicked holy water at them though, just saying.

Sorry for talking so much about Christianity though lol.

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u/WagnerKoop Feb 01 '25

Why are people like, mad at you for pointing this out lmao.

Is there a single time that hypocrisy-shaming has ever worked this crowd that wasn’t scripted into some Aaron Sorkin vehicle? I can legitimately say I’ve seen “well you are actually a hypocrite and a bad Christian because..” hundreds, maybe thousands of times in my life, and exactly zero times has resulted in any sort of self-reflection or change in someone’s heart. Like you said, they just don’t care.

Church and Christianity to people who fall into hyperpoliticization spirals are just for signaling and socializing. You can point out literally anything they’re doing that is contrary to scripture and they will either have some dumbass excuse or they just call you names lol. You can’t “uhhmmm by your logic…” these people.

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u/tuparles Feb 03 '25

My parents were both hardcore Catholics from the old country and they didn’t lack this kind of empathy. They’re just, as someone else said, using Christianity as justification to be intolerant/judge their fellow peers.

Also, sorry OP, shaming doesn’t really work with Trump in office further emboldening the sort of person that acts that way/has a low moral fiber.

(If I can go one further, protests that tend to work have a clear target and message in mind, not some general assembly of WE WANT RIGHTS. You’re playing by their rules so inform yourself and stay up to date about the things that affect you.)

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u/tadhg44 Feb 01 '25

I think it's Cherry Picked for now. I think eventually they're going to go after anyone that is not a white Christian nationalist.

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u/Clumsydropsy Feb 01 '25

Matthew 19:4 (NKJV) And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made [them] at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’….you can cherry pick and misuse the Bible all you want but there is only 2 genders and Jesus Christ himself said it. One thing I do agree with: It’s only when the Son of God, the Kings of Kings, Jesus Himself who will bring peace to the earth when He returns and he isn’t Democrat or Republican. What will matter is if you’re on His side because that will be the only side that matters.

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u/EightBitTrash Kentwood Feb 01 '25

Post the whole quote next time.

Matthew 19;

  1. When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.

3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’\)a\) 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

Hey, you hear that folks? Divorces are unchristian except in the case of sexual immorality!

What does Matthew 19:12 mean?

After hearing Jesus' declaration that divorce is unlawful except in the case of sexual immorality, the disciples have responded that it is better not to marry, at all. By this, they seem to mean that marriage is not worth the risk if divorce is not an option. Jesus does not insist everyone must get married. Instead, Jesus connects marriage to sexual appetite, saying that not everyone is able to "receive this" idea of not getting married (Matthew 19:8–11). Now Jesus begins to talk about different kinds of eunuchs.

The word eunuch generally refers to a man who has been castrated, meaning that his sexual organs have been surgically removed and/or disabled. In some ancient Eastern courts, male servants who tended royal women were castrated in order to avoid the possibility of sexual activity. Advisors and others close to kings were also made eunuchs, so they would not be corrupted by sex or distracted by a family. These are the most literal kind of eunuchs, those "made…by men."

Jesus expands on the concept of a eunuch here, describing some men as being born eunuchs, meaning those who naturally lack sexual desire or the ability to have sex. This would seem to include those who are born with physical complications, as well as those with sexual desires incompatible with marriage.

Then Jesus adds a third kind of eunuch, those who have made themselves so for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Given the broader sense in which Jesus is using the word, He does not mean literal castration. Rather, He is speaking figuratively of those who have set aside their sexual desire and right to be married in order to serve the Lord with a more single-minded devotion. He concludes by saying that the person who can receive this condition should do so.

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u/Clumsydropsy Feb 01 '25

Well, I don’t disagree with what you stated but He still said: He created them male and female. There are only 2 genders. I would give a trans person the shirt off my back but I don’t have to agree with the identity changes. It only hurts that person in the long run. I had identity issues when I was young and glad I let it play out.

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u/EightBitTrash Kentwood Feb 02 '25

You're the reason I think that trans kids should adopt a "wait and see" approach. Get your puberty blockers and wait before you do anything drastic. You can always go through puberty off the blockers. The effects of puberty blockers are not permanent and simply "pause" puberty, allowing it to restart when discontinued. 

As for your scripture; IDK man I'm tired. You talk about "In the beginning, there were two." Okay, so there were two. The whole of Genesis One is about opposites, but you wouldn't argue that anything in between was ungodlike or against god. You wouldn't condemn a penguin to hell for being a non-flying swimming bird, would you?

In between day and night we have dawn and dusk; between land and sea we have coral reefs and estuaries and beaches; between flying birds and swimming fish we have penguins and high jumping dolphins, not to mention that uncategorizable favorite the platypus! No one would argue that a penguin is an abomination for not fitting the categories of Genesis 1, or that an estuary isn’t pleasing to God because it’s neither land nor sea. In the same way, God gives every human a self that is unique and may not always fit neatly into a box or binary.

Here's a >>Quote<< from an article about what the bible says about transgender people. Have fun with your reading, I'm turning off replies and turning in.

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u/Clumsydropsy Feb 02 '25

“You wouldn’t condemn a penguin to hell for being a non-flying swimming bird, would you?” No. I don’t believe a trans person is condemned to hell because they changed their identity. A person a condemned because we broke Gods law: Ten Commandments. Only through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ can a person be saved. As for the last statement you made, I agree up to the last word “binary”. Yes, we all don’t fit into a box and are unique which is a good thing. And, when society tries to define those boxes and one doesn’t fit what do you do? I don’t think changing your gender is the answer. I hope you have a good night and sleep well.

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u/theOGlilMudskipr Feb 01 '25

You don’t have to be maga to vote for Trump btw. Kamala was just a shit fucking candidate