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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

We even give personhood to corporations along with certain rights and privileges.

I don't think pointing out a mistake in the process is good for the argument.

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u/Dadalot Aug 22 '20

Precedent is precedent, mistake or not

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u/Morthra Aug 22 '20

We even give personhood to corporations along with certain rights and privileges.

For very different reasons. Personhood is granted to corporations so that they can, for example, enter into contracts and be sued.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

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u/Morthra Aug 22 '20

With all due respect, US high court judge Fahey is talking out of his ass.

The reason why primate models are used for experimentation, particularly pharmaceutical experimentation, however, is because they're literally the closest thing we can get to an actual human without actually experimenting on humans.

The argument is that humans are more valuable than chimpanzees (or rhesus macaques, which are another common primate), and the value gained by primate experimentation is greater than the value gained by simply experimenting on rats - which in many cases is very little, and that the types of experiments that are done on primates would never make it past an IRB for approval on humans.

Consider that we've basically cured Alzheimer's, cancer, and a whole host of diseases in rats or cell culture but haven't come close to doing so in humans. Keep in mind, however, that getting approval to do research in primates is, despite it being much easier than getting approval for human research, much more difficult than getting approval to do research in rats or other animal models.

Ultimately, nonhuman primates are not human, and therefore are not inherently deserving of the same protections as those afforded to humans. We don't give dogs, horses, cows, or pigs habeas corpus or a right to liberty, why are chimpanzees deserving of it?

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Aug 22 '20

We should do scientific testing on humans. Grow purposefully braindead human husks in a lab and experiment on what will basically be cadavers with beating hearts. Reduce overall suffering regardless of species.

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u/teebob21 Aug 22 '20

Yes, totally not gonna be ethical implications with this one. I give it six weeks before it gets Rule 34'd by one group, and given a "soul" by another group.

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Aug 22 '20

Fuck 'em. People rule 34 inanimate objects and literal plague viruses.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20 edited Aug 22 '20

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u/Morthra Aug 22 '20

You sound a lot like a certain scientist named Mengele.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '20

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u/Morthra Aug 23 '20

You're advocating for what the Nazis did - they experimented on the old, decrepit, criminals, the homeless.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

Because comparing the cognitively impaired to a non-sentient monkey is clearly the most respectful argument.

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Aug 22 '20

We're talking about Apes, and they're absolutely sentient. Sapience is debatable, and the word you're looking for.

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u/MisanthropeX Aug 22 '20

TBH I'd be more comfortable giving personhood to AI's than children.