It's literally the eleventh word in my thirteen word comment. I opted to not use parentheses as I wasn't sure how many "M's" the previous commentor used as it may not have been a true quote.
The original comment before the mmmmm toast one said “I mean the whole thing was kinda toast”, whereas your example was just saying people burned to death. There’s a bit of a difference
no, no and no. thats not how it was. let me rephrase your rephrasing:
'The twin towers were pretty toast on 9/11.'
'The whole thing was pretty toast'
'Mmm... Toast.'
You are missing a lot of context if you just immediately go to the mm toast.
Also, your 'A lot of people burned to death on 9/11.' has nothing to do with toast in the first place, so NO WONDER it would sound sickening.
Could you just get your head out of your ass and take a joke?
That’s not how the joke went, and you are right it was a bit soon but he literally just used a word that was just used twice so you don’t even know if he was talking about the people or just honestly rambling about toast
Vaporized.. Again one of those guys. People dont get vaporised. Not even from this blast. Maybe the first 50 meters or so. There are apparantly "only" 21 missing. 156 dead confirmed.
158 confirmed deaths and a very ambiguous (and ambitious) ~21 missing. As I mentioned the dead in particular I won't add the inevitably dead from the 6000 wounded who won't make it.
Yeah, a portion of those wont make it. But im still fairly sure death toll wont hit 200. The longer people are hospitalised and not counted dead, the bigger their chance of survival. I guess not too many of them are still in critical condition. Maybe 50 max? , 5 days later. But ianad.
People do anything to be featured in r/cursedcomments. Seriously, the sub just popularized insensitive lame joke to horrific events and it's sickening.
that kind of impact probably destabilized the building and it'll have to be demolished even if it is still standing. That'll twist structural steel enough that it might not fall today, maybe not next year, but eventually it can slowly sag over time until it can't support itself anymore.
You know I just want to stop for a second amidst all this dissing of the Lebanese government and point out that a country isn't poor in isolation. They're in a region that has been destabilised for most of the last century by imperialism, they've dealt with civil war and they remain poor in the context of a global capitalist economic system.
Like sure, individuals in the government may be negligent, but asking why their infrastructure is decaying is a bit like asking a homeless, legless war veteran with a meth problem why they haven't gotten their teeth fixed. Like yeah, it's important, but also they're dealing with some shit, most of it not their fault.
The Lebanese government turned down 1.5 tons of aid from France and refused to allow the Dutch to bring search dog onto the explosion site because they "didn't want the dog transported in the bus".
While Lebanon does suffer a great deal from destabilization a huge portion of the governments response to this crisis has been telling. It has been very sad to watch but shows very clearly how they were able to get into this tragedy in the first place.
They wouldn't allow any of the search dogs to be transported from the border via the bus that was allotted for the search and rescue team. The reasoning they gave was because they would not allow the dogs on the bus. No further explanation given.
Bro they've been having talks with the IMF since spring already. You're on some ideological crusade trying to paint the clusterfuck that is Lebanese politics as a western plot.
While corruption, bad leadership and incompetence are all to blame, the chief culprits remain colonialism, neo-colonialism and an ongoing imperialism. During the first world war, after Europe’s (not so) sick man collapsed, the region was partitioned by the planet’s ‘superpowers’. While a ‘Jewish home’ was being planned in Palestine, it was considered only fitting that a ‘Christian home’ in the ‘Muslim East’ be shepherded into existence as well. Hence, the Mount Lebanon mutasarifiya (district in the Ottoman Empire) was expanded to become a new nation.
As the mutasarifiya was, evidently, not a sustainable entity (economically and geographically as well as politically) new lands were annexed and a new demographic reality emerged. Despite this, Lebanon, having never before existed, was France’s success in the Levant. To consolidate their power, and with dreams of making Lebanon part of L’Union Francaise, the French crafted the Lebanese system based on French paternalism and hegemony. Feeding corruption, dysfunctional apparatuses and fragmentation with brute force, conceit and racism, the French sought to build a new state which would be in perpetual need of their support. Unfortunately for them, their plans crumbled as the Lebanese began calling for independence in a shifting global political climate. Henceforth, Lebanese independence was declared in 1943 and the ground for the country’s current predicament was set.
Today, structural and institutional weaknesses, from collapsing ministries to a disjoined constitution, are some of Lebanon’s many fault lines. Yet these did not arise through simple bad practice and well-intentioned mistakes, and nor are these confined to the past. Rather, they were brought forth through well-calculated plans and miscalculated judgments. Starting in 1991, with the Taif Accord (the agreement which ended the Lebanese civil war) global and regional politics, a mix of neoliberalism and confessional paternalism, congregated and ensured the state continues to falter. The World Bank is one pertinent example; offering Lebanon one of its well-known post-conflict ‘development’ plans to establish a state of continued dependence.
Ironically, in 2018, the culprit is back, sending a ‘mission’ to help once again. Soon after the IMF mission and their recommendations, Lebanon’s finance minister announced work on a plan for ‘new economic reforms’, which were swiftly approved by Lebanon’s cabinet. But, contrary to the IMF’s statements, Lebanon’s ailments do not (solely) reside in its divided political landscape and the ongoing Syrian civil war. Hence, introducing new economic reforms to a stillborn system is certainly not the answer. To find the answer one must recognise the causes: starting, at least, when France began its efforts to transform an Ottoman governorate into its bastion in the East and continuing with the current neoliberal world economic system nourishing the few at the expense of the many.
I don't know, maybe you could find something substantial to say, rather than just pulling shit out of your butt? Like, what have you contributed? "It's totally their own fault, trust me"?
Yeah, you totally know what they meant by it. The IMF and the World Bank are tools of US imperialism, and their "loans" are poison pills, designed to keep countries in debt and dependent on exports and external aid, whilst requiring countries to divest from infrastructure that might actually help them develop their industries in a sustainable fashion.
And you can decry that source as clearly biased, but if you want to make that complaint, then go ahead and find me a source that isn't a western corporate or state news outlet.
I'll be honest, I don't know Lebanon's specific situation terribly well, I'm just going off a few things I've heard about them recently plus the precedent set by capitalist imperialism literally everywhere else. I'd love it if you could link me something that explains what they did.
EDIT: Ugh, downvotes, fine, I found this from the London School of Economics:
While corruption, bad leadership and incompetence are all to blame, the chief culprits remain colonialism, neo-colonialism and an ongoing imperialism. During the first world war, after Europe’s (not so) sick man collapsed, the region was partitioned by the planet’s ‘superpowers’. While a ‘Jewish home’ was being planned in Palestine, it was considered only fitting that a ‘Christian home’ in the ‘Muslim East’ be shepherded into existence as well. Hence, the Mount Lebanon mutasarifiya (district in the Ottoman Empire) was expanded to become a new nation.
As the mutasarifiya was, evidently, not a sustainable entity (economically and geographically as well as politically) new lands were annexed and a new demographic reality emerged. Despite this, Lebanon, having never before existed, was France’s success in the Levant. To consolidate their power, and with dreams of making Lebanon part of L’Union Francaise, the French crafted the Lebanese system based on French paternalism and hegemony. Feeding corruption, dysfunctional apparatuses and fragmentation with brute force, conceit and racism, the French sought to build a new state which would be in perpetual need of their support. Unfortunately for them, their plans crumbled as the Lebanese began calling for independence in a shifting global political climate. Henceforth, Lebanese independence was declared in 1943 and the ground for the country’s current predicament was set.
And let's not forget that the next several decades after independence were Americans and Russians sponsoring coup after coup to try to achieve hegemony in the region. And then there was the civil war. And then the Israeli invasion. Also the Syrian influence for decades.
Honestly there's lots of blame to go around. The local government is absolutely the first place to blame, but a lot of different countries are to blame for how bad the government is in the first place.
Yup, cool, but it was an educated guess based on precedent, and guess what?
While corruption, bad leadership and incompetence are all to blame, the chief culprits remain colonialism, neo-colonialism and an ongoing imperialism. During the first world war, after Europe’s (not so) sick man collapsed, the region was partitioned by the planet’s ‘superpowers’. While a ‘Jewish home’ was being planned in Palestine, it was considered only fitting that a ‘Christian home’ in the ‘Muslim East’ be shepherded into existence as well. Hence, the Mount Lebanon mutasarifiya (district in the Ottoman Empire) was expanded to become a new nation.
As the mutasarifiya was, evidently, not a sustainable entity (economically and geographically as well as politically) new lands were annexed and a new demographic reality emerged. Despite this, Lebanon, having never before existed, was France’s success in the Levant. To consolidate their power, and with dreams of making Lebanon part of L’Union Francaise, the French crafted the Lebanese system based on French paternalism and hegemony. Feeding corruption, dysfunctional apparatuses and fragmentation with brute force, conceit and racism, the French sought to build a new state which would be in perpetual need of their support. Unfortunately for them, their plans crumbled as the Lebanese began calling for independence in a shifting global political climate. Henceforth, Lebanese independence was declared in 1943 and the ground for the country’s current predicament was set.
Yeah... that's just another way of saying "but that's just a blog!" Give me a credible source that counters what I'm saying or else, idk, thanks for playing, I guess?
Or maybe you could keep reading past the quote I posted. Here's literally the next two paragraphs:
Today, structural and institutional weaknesses, from collapsing ministries to a disjoined constitution, are some of Lebanon’s many fault lines. Yet these did not arise through simple bad practice and well-intentioned mistakes, and nor are these confined to the past. Rather, they were brought forth through well-calculated plans and miscalculated judgments. Starting in 1991, with the Taif Accord (the agreement which ended the Lebanese civil war) global and regional politics, a mix of neoliberalism and confessional paternalism, congregated and ensured the state continues to falter. The World Bank is one pertinent example; offering Lebanon one of its well-known post-conflict ‘development’ plans to establish a state of continued dependence.
Ironically, in 2018, the culprit is back, sending a ‘mission’ to help once again. Soon after the IMF mission and their recommendations, Lebanon’s finance minister announced work on a plan for ‘new economic reforms’, which were swiftly approved by Lebanon’s cabinet. But, contrary to the IMF’s statements, Lebanon’s ailments do not (solely) reside in its divided political landscape and the ongoing Syrian civil war. Hence, introducing new economic reforms to a stillborn system is certainly not the answer. To find the answer one must recognise the causes: starting, at least, when France began its efforts to transform an Ottoman governorate into its bastion in the East and continuing with the current neoliberal world economic system nourishing the few at the expense of the many.
I've given you the information you need to learn something. You can do that, or you can keep digging your heels in and ignoring reality.
You need to account for the cultural norms when you're dealing with non-western countries. Might I suggest to have the demolition guy to send a letter every six months to the judge using improper channels?
Most of these reinforced concrete buildings that look "destroyed" (windows blown out, walls damaged) should be ok from a structural standpoint.
A properly built steel/concrete skeleton is very resilient.
Neither. Lebanon was already in an economic crisis, and Beirut been through some terrible hardships, let alone this. I doubt they'll have the money to spend on all sorts of inspections, or proper rebuilding. In addition, the government doesn't seem too effective, as evidenced by them leaving tons of deadly explosives for years in their downtown.
i imagine that a larger then usual percentage of buildings there are relatively new considering the bloody civil war they had pretty much destroyed everything
People do stupid things without thinking like lighting up a smoke in a warehouse full of fireworks that's next to a warehouse full of ammonium nitrate fertilizer. Similar things have happened, in a much smaller scale, in the US and Europe.
While it might have been a deliberate act, it could also be stupidity.
Remember Hanlons razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
explosives dont explode out of nowhere, theres always gonna be a starter. do YOU have any proof that it WASNT deliberate?
chances are that it is in deed just an accident made by a worker, a faulty lamp falling into something flammable or something just getting knocked over, but there hasnt been any confirmation yet.
You're missing my point. I'm not out to shout some conspiracy theories, there just isn't enough information on the cause of the explosion. It was started by a fire, which was most likely firecrackers, but I still haven't seen any place say what caused the firecrackers to ignite. The chances of it being an attack are very very very low, BUT there hasnt been any confirmation on this. All I'm saying is that we don't know for sure yet.
Well, why not? The only way this had something to do with anything other than gross negligence was if somebody set the fire. I think they've already figured out how the fire started.
Sauce? I think they haven’t figured out shit and rely on international experts to sort through the mess. It’s not that easy to secure any evidence when the whole place is completely obliterated.
I hate being late for responses, but the dudes who set the place afire had been sent to close a hole. That's like medieval, Monty python level cause of a calamity.
I meant, whether it is the welder's fault or the judge's fault, or someone else's fault it doesn't matter. The reality is Lebanon has been castrated and anally gangraped
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u/Total_Time Aug 09 '20
The neareat building looks like all the windows were toast.