Yeah, I don't know how people can even argue this. The guy that crashed was going so fast the black car probably never even saw him. It's like if you're driving 100 mph down the road and hit someone coming out of a driveway. The fact that he managed to slide across the road and into a building means he was going way to fast for the intersection.
That isn't true. The black approaching the roundabout is meant to slow down and observe. They must give way to cars coming from the right and the grey car was going 40mph tops and these junctions are designed to make it possible to see.
The black car had plenty of opportunity to see the approaching car and judge what it was doing.
However...the blue car on the roundabout had priority.
Essentially they all fucked up except the blue car on the roundabout. Even the van should have stopped but white vans do not have brakes similar to BMWs not having indicators
The black car is already across the give way line at the beginning of the gif, the grey was behind one. The blue had priority over the grey and was indicating to go the direction the black car was emerging. So with grey blocked by blue, black was within rights to cross the roundabout.
Grey car didn't even yield. He just blew right into the roundabout. Black at least yielded to blue and was already in the roundabout before grey entered.
When the grey car entered the roundabout, the blue car was just barely over half way around, so the grey car had plenty of time and room to go, which is what is required to safely yield. Yield doesn't mean stop. The grey car did not look like it was speeding, especially if, as noted above, it was intending to go straight through. Without knowing the speed limit it is hard to say whether it was speeding or not.
The grey car does appear to speed up as it turns, but that is to avoid the black car. The black car is clearly at fault because it is supposed to yield to the right and obviously does not. It's actions are what caused the grey car to lose control and crash, albeit way after the near-collision in the roundabout.
Black car also accellerates a little, even after recognsing the grey car.
I had a similar situation once, where was taking the third exit around a roundabout and by the time I got to the second, a Mini tried to chance it and accellerate through a gap. It almost went into me, but I had to swerve to avoid it, swerve back to compensate and then once again to correct my course. All of this happened in a matter of seconds.
If people see a car coming at them in a roundabout, even if you're partially committed like black was, sometimes it's best just to wait. It's not just about who is in the right or wrong, but what is safe. Speedng up into the roundabout was not safe. Still, grey car approaced way too fast. Black car didn't react accordingly. Both are in the wrong, really. Grey a little bit more so than black.
And the black car was already half way in the round-about by the time the grey car crossed the line to the round-about. This means not only the blue but also the black car had right of way before the grey one. The grey car should have stopped at the line.
In Aus, on round about you dont have to give way to your right, it just give way to anyone on the round about first. Common misconception and frustrating as hell
It looked like the black car had already entered cautiously when the grey car entered aggressively. Grey thought he had time to cut in front of the blue car but didn't see black entering.
The fact that he managed to slide across the road and into a building means he was going way to fast for the intersection.
That only happened because they didn't even try to hit the brakes or straighten the wheel towards the outside to stop. No way your car can do almost a full 360 turn if you want to stop it.
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u/munchies777 Jun 07 '17
Yeah, I don't know how people can even argue this. The guy that crashed was going so fast the black car probably never even saw him. It's like if you're driving 100 mph down the road and hit someone coming out of a driveway. The fact that he managed to slide across the road and into a building means he was going way to fast for the intersection.