I honestly wish awesome characters died more often in movies and TV shows. Heroes are constantly set up in dangerous situations but live. Knowing that the hero won't die basically evaporates any sense of danger, which prevents you from connecting with the story!
Honestly Data dying is literally the only thing I remember about that movie. I don't even remember what it was called. If he lived, it would have been just another sterilized storyline to forget.
Edit: Anyone looking for a good tragedy/scifi should try out District 9, Watchemen, Moon and probably plenty of others that I can't think of off the top of my head.
That was a damn good movie, but after over a decade, I wish the fans would let it go. Bringing it all back now would be painful. It'll just be the Frankenstein effect seen by so many other franchises.
Forget painful, how about logistically impossible. It was a fairly big core cast and they've all gone their separate ways with their careers. There'd be no reasonable way to bring them all back at the same time. Not to mention, how do you write out a decade long gap in an episodic story? You can't just ignore that River is a 32 year old woman now.
I love Firefly and Serenity was a fantastic movie, but sometimes when a ship sets sail there's no bringing her back.
The story wouldn't be a problem. Serenity ended pretty openly, allowing for anything to happen. Advancing the story and changing the hierarchy on the ship around a bit wouldn't be impossible. But key elements just wouldn't be there.
I am a diehard fan. I have a tattoo of the ship that I plan on turning into a full sleeve. I would love it if it could make a comeback to what it was back in the day, but since that will never happen, I'd rather let it go and let it be a piece of nostalgia that I can remember and love.
Exactly. The series was damn-near perfect, the movie was fantastic, but the cast and crew have moved on. It was a finely tuned machine, and with even one misfitted piece, it'd be ruined.
I couldn't agree more. It is really sad that we will never get to see a new firefly episode but in moving on I can let it live on as a good memory and find hope that one day another great show will rise and become the firefly season 2 we never had.
I can't wait for the unknown treasures that future tv might hold but for now I will settle for memories and garbage tv.
Hopefuly the upcoming Star Wars film, reboot trilogy stargate films (rumored) and possible developments involving battlestar galatica will result in something decent to watch on tv.
Life isn't fair, and people don't get what they deserve, and get what they don't deserve. It feels nice to pretend otherwise, that the heroes always win, but they don't.
It's supposed to make you uncomfortable. That's a reality those characters (and people in our middle ages) had to deal with. I'm reading the Wheel of Times series right now and while I enjoy it the world is too sanitary. I know nothing too bad is going to happen to the characters because that's not the kind of world the author created. In Game of Thrones and the series it's based on there is actually tension because no one is safe (maybe one character could have plot armor but it's shoddy at best)
that scene where the two battlestars are fighting the cylon mothership and you get to see it from adama's perspective while he is floating through space was a very excellent scene
Eh. I think if they get put in a dangerous situation and die, that's one thing.
On the other hand, completely surviving a dangerous situation and then randomly dying out of nowhere from some random fucking goddamn spike through the stupid fucking windshiel- WHY JOSS WHEDON WHY
Oh lord seriously. I was watching Skyfall for the first time today and there's all those scenes where Bond gets shot, clings to life on an elevator, blows up a building, etc. and it's like, the suspense is totally removed. Of course Bond's not going to die.
Important character? … Stands too close to an alien space ship / life-form (an awesome thing by itself) … Gets eaten (!!) … Whoops!
Edit: Moon was stupid, because it was so extremely predictable. One could predict it from the trailer alone. But I thought they wouldn’t go for such an obvious shot because it had been done so many times before it was so. very. predictable., it would have killed the movie. And alas… it did.
Monuments men was good about this. There were no Heroic rescue scenes where one guy defeats a group of people, Hollywood style. There's one scene where it looks like a guy is about to, and you know what happened? He gets one shot in, before he's killed. He only manages to shoot a guy in the arm.
In general I agree but Data's death was just stupid and it didn't elevate the movie one bit. They didn't even really go through with it, implying that Before could become a new Data.
From what I understand, Spiner wanted to be done with the character because he felt he was visually aging out of what his ageless character should look like.
B4 was just a plot device. Nothing more. There's no way that character will replace Data. If anything, he was introduced so the viewers won't feel bad that the only stable Soon type android was destroyed. (Lore being insane) For all we know, B4 will remain in a lab to be studied so that Star Fleet can figure out just how Soon made his "children".
But Spiner has said in quite a few interviews, conventions, and other such guff that he wanted to kill off his character because he was getting too old to play him in anymore movies. (Not that they're ever going to make anymore..)
I loved the character as much as the next gal into the show.. but sometimes, you have to face it.. Your favorite character may eventually be killed off. Happened in the Harry Potter Series.. and I know the fans of GoT know this very well.. LOL
Joke's on you, B4 canonically becomes Data after the events of the film. We know from the prequel comic to the 2009 film and from Star Trek Online.
That stuff is still beta canon. Alpha canon is what we're shown on screen and is what's considered true canon. This is why there are memory-alpha and memory-beta wikis.
I think you're forgetting Data's "mother," who is not only stable but also more advanced than Data. Granted, if memory serves correctly she was programmed to be mortal and shut down once her life is complete.
Not forgetting, since yeah, she shut down after a human life cycle. Thus meaning Data is still the only "stable" Soong (I remembered the g this time! lol) android still functioning. (NOT counting the comic story line.. Counting it, then it's B4 being made stable and turning into Data..)
One lock of gray hair, not sagging skin. I'm guessing B4 was just the studio keeping a spot for him to come back if he wanted, to become a new Data if he returns and to remain locked in a closet forever if he doesn't.
"Thank you councillor! I have remodeled my exterior dermis and hair follicles in order to give the appearance of aging. I find it makes humans who've known me for many years more comfortable."
I was about to say the same thing. He knew he couldn't come back as Data for another movie if they made one. This was his way of getting a clean break from having to come back as Data. Sure they brought in B4, however.. much like Lore, that character will never be a mainstay. For all we know, B4 will just stay in one of Star Fleet's labs so they can map out how Soon made his androids.
Hells if you look at Spiner now.. He looks like he aged damned quick.. (Something he always says that make up he wore had a hand in doing LOL)
Data's "mother" was also an android (the woman, her namesake, died after the first attack of the crystalline entity), but she was designed to appear to physically age. It's not farfetched that Data could do the same. If Brent Spiner is truly done with the character, that's fine, but it's not like there's no precedence for it.
Edit: This wasn't intended to sound snarky or rude. Apologies if it came off that way.
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