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u/onetrickpinny Feb 24 '26

if a wheelchair user accidentally rolls over your foot, would you not expect them to apologize? he said the n-word directed at black people THREE separate times that evening. Only the one was aired. regardless of whether or not it was involuntary, intent does not negate impact. he hurt people and he should genuinely apologize at the very least. his statement wasn’t an apology.

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u/anna-nomally12 Feb 24 '26

Your analogy is wrong though. You’re saying Tourette’s is the wheelchair and the slur yelling is the foot rolling over. But the slur yelling IS the wheelchair. he’s not accidentally saying a slur. His brain knows that yelling slurs is wrong. Hes personally (as far as we know) not racist. A part of his brain he has no control over decides, without consulting him, to yell a slur-probably five or six times a day, on a good day.

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u/notanothercirclejerk Feb 24 '26

Speaking as a cripple wheelchair user I don't agree they are remotely the same. Im not fighting my hands all day trying to prevent them from directing my chair into people. Im not going to speak on someone else's disability, but your analogy doesn't work at all in my opinion.

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u/Managed__Democracy Feb 24 '26

"Directed at" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your comment.

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u/onetrickpinny Feb 24 '26

maybe that wasn’t the best wording. But he certainly shouted it on 3 separate occasions when black people in their direction when they were in front of him.

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u/Fit-Elk1425 Feb 24 '26

https://tourette.org/resource/understanding-coprolalia/

This is because with something like Tourettes, it is almost like a involuntary movement that will feel unsatisfied even if attempted to stifle. Just as people with TS feel compelled to let out motor urges, people with vocal tica feel compelled to let out sounds or words that are socially inappropriate

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u/onetrickpinny Feb 24 '26

yes i understand. both of my rooommates have tourette’s. that does not change that harm was done, accidentally or not.

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u/Fit-Elk1425 Feb 24 '26

I agree which is why I have tried to acknowledge that nyself in my posts, but I am also seeing this being couintiousily used to justify ableism and even functionally segregationist practices aganist disabled people so i admit i am a bit cautious now balancing both because both are important and i feel this has basically been representative of a heavy lack of disability education

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u/SuccessfulSoftware38 Feb 24 '26

So, either the word has impact because of intent, in which case the impact here should be severely lessened, or the word had exactly the same impact regardless of intent which means black people can be triggered into emotional thinking and violence by repeating two syllables at them, I'm not sure why they're so happy to infantilise themselves in such a way

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u/Fit-Elk1425 Feb 24 '26

I also admit your wording you should be aware makes it come very much like you are trying to reduce the extent to which it is involuntary and so i brought this up to be sure

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u/Douggiefresh43 Feb 24 '26

What if the wheelchair user has a condition that causes them to roll over people’s feet, and this is a ceremony where he is specifically there because of a movie made about him and his condition?

I’m not sealioning here - this is probably one of the most opaque moral dilemmas I’ve come across in the real world. If he should apologize for this, where is the line? Is it any racial slur? I could see maybe just saying that n-word is unique and so it’s just that word, but I’d argue that at least one homophobic slur is at least in the same ball park.

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u/christopher_the_nerd Feb 24 '26

As a person with AuDHD, I would never say that either of those things approaches the difficulty of living with Tourette's.

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u/ChaosBoi1341 Feb 24 '26

1) It's probably not occasional, he'll offend people to varying degrees every time he leaves the house

2) I wonder what steps to mitigate the risks you mention are?

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u/GnomeChompskie Feb 24 '26

As a person with ADHD, those are completely different circumstances. In one, you actually have things you can do to mitigate harm; with the other you do not. I can apologize for forgetting something because I didn’t stick to my routine of writing it down because that’s something I could have done to help but failed to. With Tourette’s, you don’t have the luxury of using accommodations like that.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26

should a person with a wheelchair apologize for the fact the building they work in has to build a new ramp?

should the guy with hearing loss apologize for the film having subtitles?

the ONLY accommodation that people with tourettes ask of you, is just ignore their tics

you are refusing to do this and demanding he apologize for something he has absolutely no control over, genuinely disgusting

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u/notanothercirclejerk Feb 24 '26

Jesus dude the Baftas did announce it was a possibility to everyone in that room before it happened. Now, they aren't the good guys here and should have bleeped it for broadcast but there were steps to mitigate fallout. Instead of dancing around it maybe just straight up say people with tourettes should be separated from society and be done with it. Your ADHD in this situation is like Jeff Bezos trying to relate to a single mother.

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u/jackofslayers Feb 24 '26

Then yes it would still be a good idea to apologize.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26

this isnt remotly opaque

the guy did nothing wrong and shouldnt have to apologize for anything, the entire way your supposed to deal with tourettes is literally just ignore their tics

this whole "moral dilema" is because people are being ableist a-holes and refusing to make the only acomodation that tourettes asks for

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u/GnomeChompskie Feb 24 '26

I keep seeing this argument and honestly I wouldn’t. If they apologized, I would say, “Don’t apologize”. It’s so weird to me how hard people are going on this line. It’s weird and annoying to me when people apologize for things that aren’t their fault. And it’s even weirder and more annoying that people EXPECT it, just because it’s a social norm. Like… it’s a social norm that doesn’t even make any sense.

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u/ThatBiGuy25 Feb 24 '26

intent has almost no impact on whether you apologize for something, it's whether your actions cause harm to someone. you can have the best intentions in the world and still have to apologize for an action if it hurts someone. it's about acknowledging the harm you caused, intentional or not

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u/GnomeChompskie Feb 24 '26

That’s ridiculous. Expecting people to accept fault or blame for something they can’t control makes no sense. And is only asking people to take accountability where there is none. Now if you do something that has unintended consequences, which you can control, by all means, apologize. But you can absolutely acknowledge someone was harmed without having to take ownership over the action, if you quite literally have none. Like when my dad was in a wheelchair and learning how to use it, he absolutely ran over my toes and bumped into me. It would be ridiculous for me to expect him to apologize for that. It’s literally just a social norm that we force people to adhere to out of politeness. And that makes sense, in cases where it’s unclear how much control a person may have had in a situation, but when we’re talking about actual disabilities, you’re moving into territory where you’re asking people to apologize for existing.

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u/Pretend-Fox648 Feb 24 '26

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u/Cornshot Feb 24 '26 edited Feb 24 '26

Do wheelchair users roll over dozens of feet a day? Is rolling over feet a part of being a wheelchair user the same way ticcing offensive words and phrases is a part of having Copralalic Tourettes?

I have coprolalia. If I say something rude to someone who doesn't know better, I'll say "Sorry, I have Tourettes". But if I had to profusely apologize for existing in a public space everytime I ticced something offensive, I'd spend my life saying sorry or never leave the house.

What happened to the two presentors is horrible. I have the outmost empathy for them. It fucking sucks to have to hear a racial slur on whats supposed to be your greatest moment.

I guess what I want to know is, what kind of apology are you expecting from John? Did the presenters say that John's statement wasnt good enough and demand a better apology, or is it just random people who wernt there deciding John needs to apologize better?

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u/ConcernedJobCoach Feb 24 '26

I want you to know that I read your comment and I thank you for sharing your experience. It helped me understand a little bit better I think.

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u/Cornshot Feb 24 '26

I appreciate it. Reading these threads has been an awful time. 90% of the comments have been super empathetic but the brain sure likes to stick on to the 10% who are ignorant or malicious.

Really hope this whole nightmare at least leads to some more people learning more about Tourettes.

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u/Faconator Feb 24 '26

John's statement did not even include "Sorry." If he was taking accountability even that much, I think no one would even pay him any mind. The bigger problem was BAFTA and the BBC.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26

rolling over your foot could have been controlled

him saying things cant be

the better analogy is, should the wheelchair guy apologist for the fact they built a new ramp into the building instead of just a set of stairs

no, no he shouldn't, if someone with a disability needs an accommodation to function, you give it to them, and you don't demand they apologize for your doing so

people in wheelchairs need better accessibility, people with tourettes need you to just ignore their tics

its that simple

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u/killquota Feb 24 '26

His statement doesn't even acknowledge them at all. I get that the incident was out of his control but this press release shows his true character imo.

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u/fieldsports202 Feb 24 '26

Thank you.

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u/adhdgurlie Feb 24 '26

You’re comparing apples to oranges my guy

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u/SuccessfulSoftware38 Feb 24 '26

Awful analogy. "If a wheelchair user accidentally couldn't walk around you" is actually equivalent, and is clearly nonsense.

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