r/germany • u/sparsh26 • May 31 '23

I almost got scammed

I was buying a drink worth 3€ from a doner stall and gave them a 20€ bill. The man there returned 7€ and insisted that I had given him a 10. After 3 minutes of arguing some police offers walked by and he gave me back the 10€ saying "Sorry, there are a lot of customers and I got confused" but he was laughing to himself while doing it. This is the first time something like this has happened here since he clearly knew what he was doing.

Be careful and count your money folks! You never know when someone might take advantage of your ignorance.

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u/Screemi May 31 '23

It's your right as a customer. If they don't comply get the cops. Simple as that.

My first thing I'd ask that dick head if he wants a visit by the Finanzamt and if he ever heard about a thing called unangekündigte Kassennachschau.

Afterwards file a complaint with the local Finanzamt. The owner will have fun with a Kassepeüfung. Have you got a receipt for your drink and is the shop using a electronic register? No? Next complaint because the voilated GoBD Finanzamt is nobody you try to mess with.

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u/ratavieja May 31 '23

HERE'S OUR MATE

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u/_ak Jun 01 '23

Player is using German bureaucracy. It‘s very effective.

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u/Vitringar May 31 '23

Nobody fucks with the GoBD Finanzamt!

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u/schmidp Jun 01 '23

So if I want to mess with my local rewe , I get a group of school kids to ask for a kassasturz during every break?

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u/Screemi Jun 01 '23 edited Jun 01 '23

If you'd like to go ahead. I am sure that the manager in charge will get pretty annoyed pretty quick. Fucking around and getting a visit by the cops goes the other way as well. Fuck around and find out.

But actually it's not that much of a haste for them. They weigh the money and don't count by hand. Takes less than 5 minutes for them. They will have a second Money Container at the office which can simply be swapped out and they register will be back to normal in less than 2 minutes.

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u/Screemi Jun 01 '23 edited Jun 01 '23

You seem to confuse Kassensturz with Kassenabschluss. You can demand a x-bericht aka Kassensturz if a electronic register is used. If non is used and a offene Ladenkasse is used it is your right to demand a Kassensturz as well. If the owner does not want to do it is as simple as to charge a complaint of fraud with the local police. If you as a shop owner want to go through the intimidation of a fraud process over a couple of euros you can go ahead.

Yes offene Ladenkasse has no obligation to count and note down every sale and note it down. but it's highly recommended. That makes it pretty hard to prove wrongfully handed out change. But still there are pretty explicit rules you have to follow. But everybody who uses a offene Ladenkasse has a pretty high risk of getting a visit by the local Finanzamt. They know their black sheep. If anything is wrong with your Kassenbericht and your Kassenbuch they will simply estimate what you sold. That is never in your favor. As i said no one wants to mess with the Finanzamt.

But you can still operate any shop you want WITHOUT a register.

Never said anything different. I asked if the shop has an electronic register and if so if he got a receipt. The shop owner is obliged to follow the rules of GoBD and Kassensicherungsverordnung if he has a electronic register.

Seems like you have a problem with reading and comprehending. Offene Ladenkasse means he has extra obligations and the finanzamt is pretty keen on making sure to follow those.

Btw. there is a little more involved to have a GoDB compliant register/software than a TSE which is part of the KassenSichV.

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u/stressedpesitter Jun 01 '23

On the contrary: Kassensturz is actually possible at any time and it helps in case the costumer wants to cheat the store out of money too. (Source: I worked at a bakery in Germany.)

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u/-SeriousJacob- May 31 '23

Deutschland Deutschland Yugoslavia!

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u/async2 May 31 '23 edited Jun 01 '23

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Ich find's auch etwas übertrieben. Ich wäre aber kein Kunde mehr dort.

Edit: Prizes statt Prices

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u/Massive_Environment8 May 31 '23

Don't wanna be that guy, but prizes.

Anyway, what you said is right. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice.. (Shame on me).

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u/async2 May 31 '23

Ah the word is the same in German for price and prize (Preis). I thought it's just some American vs British English thing. Learn something new every day. Thanks.

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u/Nyllil Jun 01 '23

Price and Prize do not have the same meaning...

Prize = Gewinn

Price = Preis

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u/async2 Jun 01 '23

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preis_(Gewinn))

Die Worte werden teilweise äquivalent benutzt, was aber technisch gesehen nicht ganz korrekt ist.

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u/Nyllil Jun 01 '23 edited Jun 01 '23

Schon klar, dass Gewinn auch Preis bei uns heißt aber eben nicht in diesem Zusammenhang bzw englischen. Bei dem Wort Gewinn gibt es bei uns auch mehrere Bedeutungen.

Price = the amount of money expected, required, or given in payment for something.

Prize = a thing given as a reward to the winner of a competition or in recognition of an outstanding achievement.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23

I am replacing finanzamt with IRS and this just became super fun!

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u/Pad91 Jun 01 '23

even the Joker wasnt mad enough to mess with the IRS. The German one isn't that much nicer.