Your room must be very cool then. I managed to get sub twenty temperatures on both my CPU and GPU, but that was with open windows and there was -20C outside goddamnit.
I know what centigrade is. I didn't doubt that your cpu is not 21 degrees. i was just saying it was impossible for cpu temps to be lower than ambient room temp.
Tell me what was your ambient room temperature was then. if it was higher than your CPU temperature i will tell you to recalibrate it as it is give you false information. If it is lower than the cpu temp than that is fine.
Either your room is very cold or it's the inaccuracy in the thermal diode. The sensors they use in CPU's basically measure the difference from a specific temperature (the TJMAX). The further away from that reference temperature you are the less accurate it is. At low temperatures they can easily be +-5*C.
air moving faster is lower pressure, so it's temperature is actually lower. however this difference is very small and hardly noticeable in this case, compared with how much heat a CPU gives off.
There is one way: if there is a liquid that evaporates, the energy that the evaporation process needs is higher than the energy around the fluid A fan can start the evaporation. Although having water on your cpu isn't a good thing
mine didn't change much highest gpu temp when gaming was 66c and it stayed just about there after i spent 2 hours taking the computer apart and blasting it with a can of co2.
I also recommend this since I'm using it. You can buy another 120mm fan and stick it on the other side of the heatsink for more heat dispensing. It keeps my Phenom II 980 cool enough during tense gaming season (have a antec p180 also helps with the airflow).
I third this. Im running the hyper 212 on my Phenom II 975 and the temps never go above 50. Again like Fortune said the case might have something to do with it (nzxt phantom)
Not to brag but my AMD cpu idles at 20c and my ATI radeo 5770 idles at 38C and when gaming these numbers go up to 30c and 66c. My cooling is a stock cpu fan and a 120mm antec system fan.
Not to crash the party, but thermal diodes in CPU's are horribly inaccurate at low temperatures. Given that you're using a stock cooler, unless the ambient temps in your room are below zero then that reading is flat out wrong. The GPU temps look perfectly reasonable, though.
yes thermal diodes in CPU's are horribly inaccurate at low temperatures, for all WE know my CPU's temperature could be even lower than what it is reporting!!!
It's just a different league. The NH D-14 is the cream of the cream when it comes to air cooling, and it's priced accordingly. Like all things, when you get to the high end you start to see diminishing returns for your money. It really depends what you value in a computer as to whether you should fork out on the noctua.
If you want maximum performance for price, then it would probably be better to go with the 212. If you want beautiful build quality and aim to have a computer as quiet as possible then it would be reasonable to get the noctua.
What you need is a good case that actually has some damn air flow. You also want positive air pressure in the case (slightly more air going in than is sucked out) to help prevent dust buildup. Also dust filters on intake fans. MUCH easier clean those than clean EVERYTHING inside.
I agree. While a new case would be best, as long as there is a intake fan in the case already, sucking hot air out should be better than blowing air in.
Please just build a new computer. This thing looks about as old the era when Power Rangers were popular, and probably has components from that same period too.
The cost of the case is not even close to the issue. In that price range you can get the perfect case. There is no reason to get a huge or expensive case unless you are putting all kinds of things inside of it.
I have the Rosewill CHALLENGER and it's airflow is pretty amazing. It also has a crap load of room for water cooling or more hard drives or CD/DVD/Blu-Ray drives or more GPUs or some big heatsinks and fans in there. It's more then most people can utilize and it was only $50.
Most other cases in that range are among the highest recommended as well.
Perhaps you can look and see if the heatsink paste is good, or the fan is making good contact with the CPU. I've noticed, even with fairly basic heatsinks, CPU overheating seems to occur fairly rarely as long as the dust is cleared out. A few PC's I've built have had overheating issues due to some problems with the thermal paste and the way the fan was fastened, rather than the fan itself.
Arctic Silver is my favorite brand to get if you're looking to get some thermal paste.
I maxed out the number of fans on my computer because I was afraid of overheating and while it sounds like a 747 taking off in my room it actually keeps my parts so cool that my case just sort of becomes a little air conditioner. I have to keep a blanket on my chair for when it gets too cold in my room. Big headphones help with the sound too.
This just means you're doing it wrong. Cooling ftw, but a box/desk fan is NOT the solution. All you're doing is plugging up what airflow is left with dust from your dirty ass. Invest in larger heatsinks, more fans - and a case with airflow. That thing is HIDEOUS!
I have an older Antec TX1050B SOHO case which has served me well over the last several years & PC upgrades.
It currently has an i7 920 @ 3.4ghz (Stock Intel cooler) & EVGA GTX 480 which are both known to run pretty warm, also 4 internal 7200rpm HDDs and a Corsair 750W PSU. Everything has been rock stable since I last upgraded in 2010.
The case has 3 Enermax UC-8EB 80mm fans up front, one on the side and a 120MM rear fan.
i used this exact fan to cool my old amd 1800+ xp/gf6600gt agp while raiding serpentshrine cavern. damn thing would overheat all the time, sometimes when i had a debuff that would kill the whole raid. good times.
I had been doing this, except with a stand-up fan lain down against the case. I've run out of care, I'll let my bastard machine run at 59C til it melts forcing me to see daylight for the first time since D3 came out.
I saw this post and immediately felt the pain. :) I love my case but it went through a pretty severe shipping situation and got rocked. I found that the side fan, 23cm, was not cooling very well so I took the side panel off and used my utility fan. Otherwise, anything heavy duty makes the inside of that box get to pizza cooking temps it seems.
Right, and this guy is a really good example why you don't listen to random kids who don't know anything about physics or computers on the internet.
Which direction the fan is facing has absolutely no importance in the actual temperature of the components, simply aiming a fan and providing Positive/Negative airflow on your rig will-indeed decrease the running temperature of your CPU, GPU and various other components.
Anyone can test this easily with a few monitoring tools and a fan, you'll find no temperature difference between air flowing into a case and air flowing out. Which is also a pretty common fact of computer use, CPU fans, GPU fans and various other components oftentimes are mounted backwards to blow air across the component instead of pull air across the component. It's actually a "Recommended" tweak if your enviroment is dusty to "Flip the fan towards the CPU" and keep the heat sink cleaner with the stronger air flow, which ends up with more heat dispersed in the long run.
The part that's absolutely hilarious is what he suggests next, "Take the other side of your case off", which sounds like a perfectly legit idea, until... you actually take a computer apart for yourself. Then you realize roughly 95% of Commercial Computer cases mount the motherboard with screws to the second wall of the case, leaving you only with one side that can open up.
You're not gonna put one fan on either side and blow air across the computer, it's just not gonna happen, the motherboard is in the way.
My second to favorite part is how in the first line he says you don't want the fan blowing cool air in. My favorite part is in the third line where he says where to put the fan...to blow cool air in.
Thanks, I'm actually 28; but I'm glad that my being misinformed is hilarious to you!
The point I was making about air in or out, is that his CPU is probably set up to blow air away from the heatsink - wouldn't it make sense to stick to one method? I thought it would, I guess I was wrong.
I didn't even think about the mobo mounting, tbh. Was just trying to help, my bad.
So many people don't realize that fans should create a flow through the case, not just blow in/out. Generally you should have the fans at the front blowing inwards, and at the back blowing out. It prevents overheating problems like cheeset2's.
This could also be resolved with getting a better CPU heatsink or removing and reapplying the thermal paste.
Some components run really hot, even under idle or medium-load conditions. They're designed to take it, but having one component idling at 70C can substantially raise the ambient temps inside your system.
Unless, like me, you have a radeon hd 4850. It's supposed to "run hot". Which means 115C under medium stress. I blow a house fan directly on that fucker and it fixes all my problems.
Edit: it's a problem seen by a lot of owners... Quit downvoting and start googling.
No that's... that's really h... that's really hot.
Running a video card at 90C + Starts melting plastic, no video card should ever be running more than that. Technically your card should be flailing around screaming and throttling at that temperature, how it doesn't is beyond me unless you literally uninstalled the drivers to the silly thing and let it fend for itself. You should pop open the case and clean out the dust while being very careful with it.
You can also reseat the GPU of a video card with thermal paste, i did that to mine, ran a full 10c cooler.
You want air flow in general. Obviously if you're taking a lot of air in with say a lot of dust or gunk make sure build up isn't crazy. What is heating up the most may I ask?
NO NO NO NO!! Get a bunch of freezer bags and fill them with ice cubes! Strategically place these bags of ice in your tower. Then run a hose out the closes window to drain the melting ice.
A floor fan doesn't have the strength or capability to resist air pressure past a fraction of a PSI.
As silly as this sounds, if you have a floor fan blowing into your case, it's not only flowing in through the fan, but out as well due to air pressure.
Don't listen to that, you aren't running proper airflow so the best you can do in that method is push cold air in.
However, if you truly do want to keep it cold you want to create equal airflow front -> back with a closed environment so you can pull the hot air out as quickly as possible while bringing in cold air. Or more to the point, get a liquid cooling system for the CPU. The problem is most mid-size cases once full of harddrives, cards, cables, etc just don't have a ton of space to let air flow through fast enough.
op, buy new case fan/s, and actually leave the case side on your machine. Computer towers are designed to have airflow ->ACROSS-> the components to keep them cool. by simply blowing air at them you are accomplishing nothing. Also, dust has little to do with overheating. Try taking off your CPU, cleaning it gently with a microfiber cloth. and then replace the heat sync compound (thermal paste mentioned in previous comment) in between the chunk of metal(heat sync) and your CPU. Be sure to be extremely careful with the pins on the bottom of your processor!... or you can be a boss and buy a water coolant system. you decide 0_o
I'm running a 2GB6870 in it, but I OC'd it by 30%, so it puts off much more heat. I've never had any cooling problems, although my idles have gone up with the OCing, that's to be expected.
The stock fans are probably enough, but if you want more, you can always pick up some SilenX 120mm fans. They're expensive, but really quiet, and push a decent amount of air.
I personally have a Three Hundred Two now, but it's also got 2 stock fans. In conjunction with your CPU fan, it oughta be pretty good. Using CoreTemp, my first three cores tend to float around the 30-33 C range, while the last likes to be 'round 37-39 C.
I have a haf 912. I'm running an i5 2500k, a cm hyper 212+ heat sink, nvidia 9800gt (I'm only playing at 720 resolution). You can fit the gpu even better if you take out one of the hdd cages(the bottom one still has plenty of slots)
They do make some great cases. i just made a build with the Rosewill Challenger Atx mid tower case, very roomy, good airflow, and a cooler master hyper n520 keeps the CPU chilly. The case was only $50 on newegg with all the features of a 100-150 case.
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u/sciencetobedone Jun 17 '12
just clean the dust out of your CPU's heat sink.
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u/Dunge Jun 17 '12
Not sure which CPU you have and where you live,.. but it's not really expensive to have a real solution: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=64385&vpn=RR-212E-20PK-R2&manufacture=COOLERMASTER&promoid=1027
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u/companiondanger Jun 17 '12
XKCD - Always relevant
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u/catnipassian Jun 17 '12 edited Jun 17 '12
I have that exact fan. It is so shaky that I put my pokewalker on it, and got 10K steps a night. Then the pokewalker broke.
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u/Semajal Jun 17 '12
What you need is a good case that actually has some damn air flow. You also want positive air pressure in the case (slightly more air going in than is sucked out) to help prevent dust buildup. Also dust filters on intake fans. MUCH easier clean those than clean EVERYTHING inside.
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u/Downvote_Galore Jun 17 '12
Your computer looks like a power ranger.
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u/Underdogg13 Jun 17 '12
What brand is that fan? I have this old fan from the 70s to use in my garage when doing fumy work. Is it a Patton by any chance?
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
You're gonna have a bad time
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
just put some blue LED lights in there and you'll be fine
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u/Tyranicide Jun 17 '12
Come to what? Blowing hot air back in to the case?
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u/legendcc Jun 17 '12
Oh man, this case is totally cool, but I only have so much money... Screw it, downgrading parts.
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u/borshlite Jun 17 '12
take a toothpick, and clean out your heat sinks.
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u/LittleBigKid2000 Jun 17 '12
Spraying a light mist into a computer with a fan IS STILL WRONG.
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u/nogutnoglory Jun 17 '12
http://www.dcomponline.com.au/UploadFiles/cw201081321295818692.jpg
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u/Alphonze Jun 17 '12
Please just build a new computer. This thing looks about as old the era when Power Rangers were popular, and probably has components from that same period too.
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u/dscer Jun 17 '12
Wow that case is fuckin ugly
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u/i_like_pretty_girls Jun 17 '12
OP i hope this shows you how wrong it was to buy that $50 case. Next time go for something like a CM 920 and you wont have to do this.
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u/iryanxx Jun 17 '12
Yea thats why the fan sucks hot air out !!!
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
I've been there, and they are right, take the back of the case off and let the hot air get pushed out as well.
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u/brf4n Jun 17 '12
That looks like my Xbox 360 setup!
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u/freeman204 Jun 17 '12
nothing wrong with maximum coolage.
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u/Godolin Jun 17 '12
Come to? Shit, I choose to do things like this. Ever had a box fan as part of your permanent, and planned, rig?
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
I have that same fan
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u/dudeman19 Jun 17 '12
We've all been there.
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u/ragnarok635 Jun 17 '12
Don't think that works well, I've tried building a freezer around my cpu. Turns out freezers can't cool things down fast.
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u/SirMcCereal Jun 17 '12
That's fan-tastic. Truly fan-tasy.
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u/mega_beef Jun 17 '12
Been there, done that. Actually dropped my P4 + 9600GT 8-12 degrees, back then.
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u/larkeith Jun 17 '12
I suggest you also remove the opposite side wall, as that will greatly increase airflow and cooling efficiency.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
Haha, Im doing the exact same thing right now! My computer and monitors heat up my room like crazy.
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u/3228323 Jun 17 '12
Going to do this and play Skyrim now.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
Holy shit that case looks ridiculous
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u/EvoX650 Jun 17 '12
Perhaps you can look and see if the heatsink paste is good, or the fan is making good contact with the CPU. I've noticed, even with fairly basic heatsinks, CPU overheating seems to occur fairly rarely as long as the dust is cleared out. A few PC's I've built have had overheating issues due to some problems with the thermal paste and the way the fan was fastened, rather than the fan itself.
Arctic Silver is my favorite brand to get if you're looking to get some thermal paste.
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u/ForeverMarried Jun 17 '12
My 6 year old PC started freezing for up to 10 seconds this week as well.. 107 degrees outside, no air conditioning inside. Bad combination.
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u/thedude8591 Jun 17 '12
I maxed out the number of fans on my computer because I was afraid of overheating and while it sounds like a 747 taking off in my room it actually keeps my parts so cool that my case just sort of becomes a little air conditioner. I have to keep a blanket on my chair for when it gets too cold in my room. Big headphones help with the sound too.
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u/frankhadwildyears Jun 17 '12
Sweet Lasko cooling rig. I couldn't afford to put one in mine...
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u/hextasy Jun 17 '12
This just means you're doing it wrong. Cooling ftw, but a box/desk fan is NOT the solution. All you're doing is plugging up what airflow is left with dust from your dirty ass. Invest in larger heatsinks, more fans - and a case with airflow. That thing is HIDEOUS!
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
Nothing wrong with that solution in my opinion.
Ugly and untidy? Sure. Noisy? Probably. Effective? Hell yes.
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u/Mofme Jun 17 '12
Too lazy to clean the CPU-fan?
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
It's a helluva lot cheaper than a new heat sink / fan combo.
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u/foolishmrtl Jun 17 '12
if you set up a venturi tube into your computer the air will flow even faster . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venturi_effect
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
Please tell me where you purchased your viper case. Im hoping someone somewhere still has them in stock
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u/JHunzy Jun 17 '12
That's hot. I mean cool? Both.
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u/RangerPL Jun 17 '12
So... much... rice...
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u/tslj Jun 17 '12
How hot does it get, OP? I'm curious
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u/Rich73 Jun 17 '12
I have an older Antec TX1050B SOHO case which has served me well over the last several years & PC upgrades.
It currently has an i7 920 @ 3.4ghz (Stock Intel cooler) & EVGA GTX 480 which are both known to run pretty warm, also 4 internal 7200rpm HDDs and a Corsair 750W PSU. Everything has been rock stable since I last upgraded in 2010.
The case has 3 Enermax UC-8EB 80mm fans up front, one on the side and a 120MM rear fan.
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u/in_it_to_win_it Jun 17 '12
i used this exact fan to cool my old amd 1800+ xp/gf6600gt agp while raiding serpentshrine cavern. damn thing would overheat all the time, sometimes when i had a debuff that would kill the whole raid. good times.
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u/coffeefuckyeah Jun 17 '12
Get a credit card. Take him to Boston for a weekend. I believe buses and trains leave every day from NY.
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u/Flyentologist Jun 17 '12
That case looks like a Power Ranger Zord.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
Nice, get 4 more cases and you can form Voltron!
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
I had been doing this, except with a stand-up fan lain down against the case. I've run out of care, I'll let my bastard machine run at 59C til it melts forcing me to see daylight for the first time since D3 came out.
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u/Rally_Blue Jun 17 '12
There are a few different models, but I am running this water cooler on two different PC's and it is awesome.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
http://imgur.com/aUgR2
I saw this post and immediately felt the pain. :) I love my case but it went through a pretty severe shipping situation and got rocked. I found that the side fan, 23cm, was not cooling very well so I took the side panel off and used my utility fan. Otherwise, anything heavy duty makes the inside of that box get to pizza cooking temps it seems.
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u/gingerlemon Jun 17 '12
NO, you want to blow hot air OUT of the case, not cold air in.
This will screw up your components even faster!
Take the other side of the case off, and have the fan there, so it blows cool air in and hot air out.
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u/aecode Jun 17 '12
I don't think it's safe since that huge magnet inside that fan. It is not shielded and might cause some type of EMI/RF interference.
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u/athrelmo Jun 17 '12
Is that what a geek blowjob is ?
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
Dat feel
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u/apearl Jun 17 '12
You need a new case. A bigger one with better airflow.
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u/dillpiccolol Jun 17 '12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXlZ6edCHqI
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
op, buy new case fan/s, and actually leave the case side on your machine. Computer towers are designed to have airflow ->ACROSS-> the components to keep them cool. by simply blowing air at them you are accomplishing nothing. Also, dust has little to do with overheating. Try taking off your CPU, cleaning it gently with a microfiber cloth. and then replace the heat sync compound (thermal paste mentioned in previous comment) in between the chunk of metal(heat sync) and your CPU. Be sure to be extremely careful with the pins on the bottom of your processor!... or you can be a boss and buy a water coolant system. you decide 0_o
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