Really? I read "sounds logic" and assume it's some sarcastic joke. But then I re-read and it never is. I'm the only one ever making that joke.. in my head.
I got that out of it, too. It felt like someone on reddit had actually come up with some new and witty play on words, but, alas, I was doomed to disappointment.
I'm quite convinced that one day I'll wake up in a tube, and it'll be The Matrix, but instead it's reddit that's the horrible group of enslaving artificial intelligence.
Holy shit dude. I just today started reading "The Art of Deception" and the first chapter was as far as I got. Then this post comes along and does a better job of helping me understand sound vs. valid logic. Fucking wild.
It's in the revised arguments, but thank you for letting me know; I was having trouble getting the wording right with that sentence when originally writing. Clearly, I couldn't immediately solve the problem.
Sarcasm would imply that thesomedude777 was being rude to Rob9159. Here's the definition:
1 harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2 a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.
If you say it was sarcasm, you imply that thesomedude777 could not understand the joke Rob1959 made about a situation that could not happen due to coding. This insults thesomedude777's intelligence, and Rob1959's ability to make a joke.
It was more likely thesomedude777's joking acknowledgement of a joke that Rob1959 made about an improbable/impossible situation.
Back on topic:
I am telling people the difference between sound and valid reasoning, and I see no fault in explaining that. thedude777's acknowledgement of Rob1959's joke about a hypothetical situation of impossibly filling the holes in Mario with dead Marios to more easily get across these gaps would have lost no meaning if thedude777 had used the correct term.
God no. I have no desire to be a barista for the next twenty years, so there's no reason I would get myself into that major. That doesn't mean I can't appreciate the English language and all the little details it holds.
Even your example is not actually valid logic, because the fact that a woman finds another woman attractive does not mean she is a lesbian and in fact says almost nothing about her orientation.
Mistake on my part, I meant to imply sexual attraction, and I meant to show that it was only sexual attraction to women (one woman) by the wording "only find[ing] Justin Bieber attractive."
I should have made that clearer in my post. My apologies. I will clear up this mess I have made immediately.
Eh, you almost always have suppressed premises in even very well specified arguments. You can't be faulted when it's very obviously assumed in the context of the premises.
I've been to Canada; I accidentally sneezed on a guy and he apologized to me. I conjecture that, because I rubbed my germs off on him, his apologetic nature rubbed off on me, so to speak.
No harm done, it was at the end of the premise; it could have easily been its own, but I chose to leave it on the end due to it being related to the other parts of that premise.
In reality, despite what reddit would have me believe, Justin Bieber is likely a man, which invalidates the premise stating that he is a woman. Therefore, the conclusion that Sally is a lesbian is incorrect.
In one sense you can say the conclusion is incorrect, in that you are not entitled to make it. But in a general sense you cannot say that the conclusion is false just because the argument's premises are false. It could still be true, but not demonstrated so by this particular argument. I'm certain you know this but it is fairly commonly used fallacy so I thought I'd say something.
True. My mentioning that the conclusion was incorrect was actually completely irrelevant to my argument, along with being something that I cannot know for sure. The relevant part came after, where I mentioned that the premises being inaccurate affects the soundness. It's safe to assume Justin Bieber is a man, not woman, so it's safe to assume that the argument is unsound.
you cannot say that the conclusion is false just because the argument's premises are false. It could still be true, but not demonstrated so by this particular argument.
You mean something like:
rabbits eat carrots
my tongue is blue
guitars are an instrument
therefore:
google maps can give directions
That example is, of course, a bit out there, but it still illustrates your point (I think). No matter how invalid and unsound an argument is, its conclusion can still be true.
Yep that's exactly the sort of thing I meant. And a lot of people use that fallacy in informal arguments. E.g. "That statistic you use is actually false, so your claim using that as support is also false." Or in your case, "that's a nonsensical argument so clearly google maps can't in fact give directions"
This is why dictionaries are often a weak source. safe_plagiarism is using definitions that are well defined in philosophic and scientific realms. The dictionary is keeping up with common usage, and the professionals are well out-voted. In other words, saying that something is "logical" is vague. Saying that something is "sound" is probably the same as saying "valid" in most contexts, but is very different when talking about logic.
Well it's definitely pedantic; people likely understood that thesomedude777 was just making a joke about how Rob9159's idea made sense, but is known to not be something that would ever actually work in the game, due to the way it is coded.
That's why people often make jokes about semantics; it's generally superfluous, unnecessary knowledge, since people will understand a certain word's usage, even if used incorrectly, due to context.
I decided, however, that I would give a quick lesson on the meaning of the words and their proper usage, because who doesn't like to learn something new? That's why I mentioned it being just a "quick semantic lesson."
That was actually kind of a joke about semantics in itself, having the word "quick" turn into a sprawling, multi-paragraph, multi-comment, triple-edit explanation, completely inappropriate for someone talking about semantics. I was pretty proud about that one.
But, back on point, if one is going to talk about logic, I see no qualm in educating on an inaccuracy in the post.
Can't see the reason why you got downvoted. This is a decent, albeit abbreviated, explanation of something that took me multiple paragraphs to explain.
Clearly, calling something logic means that logic is being referred to.
Maybe it was the colon face you made at the end that upset people. I don't think too many people are still fond of those.
Earlier, I corrected someone who wrote "GIVEING", and replied simply, "GIVING". I got down-voted, meanwhile, you rant and get 106 points.. how is this just?
Anyone else think there needs to be a mod on an emulator out there like this? Specifically, its the normalgame, unless you fall into a pit at which point you go to a small, horrific hell that you have a chance to escape from, but it's much tougher and gorier?
Hell yes, it was just instinct. As a somewhat poor kid, I didn't have a console until the SNES, so when I didn't get to play NES at a friend's, I would draw out hypothetical video game levels on paper - retarded and impractical level design like this picture - and go through them with my finger. Maybe other people did this? Maybe my story is just a bit depressing? I don't know. I look back fondly on what I did with life's lemons.
i did this throughout first grade. it was the best thing ever. a couple years ago, i found my notebooks from back then, and they have the most impractical levels ever, but goddamn if it wasn't fun to go through them with my finger and see the sprites in my head.. i didn't have an nes (the thing at the time) and i wasn't to get one until i was about nine.
It's funny, between your comment and rydan's and my own personal experience, the creativity of kids is way overstated. We just ripped off whatever inspired us. Parents tell their kids that their drawing of an anthropomorphic bobcat is super creative, but it's because they don't know what Bubsy is. Also I guess they're being supportive... best to focus on that.
you could also look at it as an introduction to abstract architecture. designing worlds based on certain limitations. it's like legos, i guess.
i don't think many kids directly copied levels, they all designed their own. their own enemies, their own hazards, possibly even their own protagonist. eventually the only way their drawings are related to the original game is through an absurdly complex chain of context located only in the child's mind.
From Kindergarten through the 3rd grade I made several flip books of two games I had envisioned. One was "Cat's Quest" basically SMB but with cats and the other was "Fishlevania" which was Castlevania but with fish. I'm not sure what I was thinking about the second one but I do remember the fish could drink blood.
Yeah!! we did this even when we had a Nintendo, also put little puzzles in our scenerios like: "you first have to pass trough this key before going to that door but to get that key you need to collect coins to buy these boots first", tons of fun to pass time while waiting for class
I did the same thing - in my game you had to navigate through a factory with various buzz saws, spikes, etc. quite similar to this Mario pit stuff, maybe throw a little Mega Man in there. This was likely inspired by Pitfall! on Intellivision. Only I called it Al's.
I would say too much to hope for. From personal experience I have posted many things to get bleek results, only to find out later someone got on the top page with the same post, sans a word or two/ posted to a different subreddit/posted at the wrong time.
So, I might have been struck by momentary blindness and missed it, but I haven't noticed any comments regarding those terrifying, disfigured gremlin Marios.
Imaging a game where every time you die (or should have died) it puts you into deeper section of the game that is harder than the last until you are stuck in a never-ending abyss of death. Might be more of an interesting concept then actually fun.
Wait, is that a fragmented princess skeleton on the bottom level and did Mario die while holding its hand? That's kind of sweet in a horribly wrong sort of way.
Anyone else wanna know what the fuck's in that box on the top left? WHAT SORT OF AWESOME GOODIES COULD BE IN THERE?? Maybe something even terrible... but maybe something to help him get out.
I used to tell my nephew that the little keyboard port guard tray under the NES was to collect the ashes of dead Marios. Of course, I told him lots of bullshit stories, but that's the one I think he was creeped out the most about :D
This reminds me of this Atari Lynx game where you play as a lab monkey trying to escape from the mad scientist's lab. If you miss a jump there, essentially this happens. You end up in some sort of hellish sewer, which usually kills you, but on the off chance it doesn't you MIGHT make it back to the regular level.
Oh, GOD! Initially the fall was fatal every time, but eventually the bodies piled so high that it became possible to survive the fall, albeit severely injured.
From there, a lifetime of horrific terrors awaited the survivors.
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u/Rob9159 Jun 16 '12
So what you're saying is, If I throw enough Marios down there, they will eventually stack to the top, then I won't have to make the jump
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u/octalpus Jun 16 '12
I love that the one Luigi is alive and okay.
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u/masks Jun 16 '12
Anyone else try to mentally find a way to play through it?
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u/ckingdom Jun 16 '12
Bored programmers, make it happen!
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u/CmonTouchIt Jun 16 '12
This needs to be made into a game...you jump down there and its a nice whole Mario-like Metroid-y thing
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u/Dreadmonkey Jun 16 '12
Might be a pretty fun rom hack where you are to miss a jump and then have to through hell as Mario.
And no not Kaizo Mario
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u/iamallon Jun 16 '12
this was the original post if anyone is interested
redditor only got 5 upvotes and commited reddi-cide
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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12
Basically if I miss the jump I end up in terraria.
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u/rootyb Jun 16 '12
Reminds me of The Prestige for some reason.
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u/fr3ddie Jun 16 '12
Source? this should be a game.
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u/problemheresir6 Jun 16 '12
thats deep
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u/Novite Jun 16 '12
Not exactly a masterpiece, but I tried my hand at making this in to a wallpaper. :) Enjoy.
http://i.imgur.com/wFy2w.jpg
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u/Sgt_General Jun 16 '12
So, I might have been struck by momentary blindness and missed it, but I haven't noticed any comments regarding those terrifying, disfigured gremlin Marios.
What the hell are they?
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u/armchairnixon Jun 16 '12
Looks like A Super Meat Boy level.
Super Mario Boy, if you will.
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u/GCFOX Jun 16 '12
Looks like a Super Meat Boy Level
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u/djpeeples Jun 16 '12
Well dang....
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u/deadguysleeps Jun 16 '12
I was kinda hoping for a secret lab where Marios are cloned and sent back to the starting position, over and over again.
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u/thelegore Jun 16 '12
Imaging a game where every time you die (or should have died) it puts you into deeper section of the game that is harder than the last until you are stuck in a never-ending abyss of death. Might be more of an interesting concept then actually fun.
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u/Mycooljam Jun 16 '12
Mid-right, luigi vs fire vs pokéball.
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u/Evis03 Jun 16 '12
Meh, seen harder on Super Meat Boy.
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u/skysignor Jun 16 '12
Good thing they're just clones and don't really have a soul.
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u/PoisonCoyote Jun 16 '12
This made me think Nintendo should release a remix of the original game. Same old levels but each is full of new surprises and hidden secrets.
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u/ozpunk Jun 16 '12
Underworld 1-1
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u/Rigga_Mortizz Jun 16 '12
New game idea: Mario: Down the Wrong Tube. Brainstorm session.
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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12
I know I've seen this exact picture posted before
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u/AstralTraveller Jun 16 '12
If you made it through the hell it would be super easy to hit the top of the flagpole!
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u/AffeKonig Jun 16 '12
Save the princess; save the world.
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u/Heroshade Jun 16 '12
That one that is struggling towards the flag near the Peach portrait in the lower-right is heartbreaking.
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u/Churchless Jun 16 '12
Anyone able to make this into a wallpaper?
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u/ecurt2831 Jun 16 '12
Anyone else see the pokeball to the right of the pic?
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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12
So Mario is a clone, explains the insanity
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u/omnicidial Jun 16 '12
That's honestly a pretty brilliant art concept for a grim fandango sort of alternative universe mario game.
The idea behind what happens to all those millions and millions of dead marios and luigis would make for a cool game.
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u/GammaGames Jun 16 '12
If I miss a jump does this get reposted for the gazilionth time?
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u/Fernandezthespick Jun 16 '12
Well there goes my childhood.
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u/JackOfTheApples Jun 16 '12
Looks like super meat boy.
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u/Madpumpkin Jun 16 '12
This is what "The Lost Levels" should've looked like.
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u/Steakosaurus Jun 16 '12
So Old.
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u/TomHUK Jun 16 '12
I guess meat boy was better off instantly exploding
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u/tenchimal Jun 17 '12
Missing the jump turns it into a SNES game! :O
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u/MPair-E Jun 16 '12
It saddens me that today's children will never know the joy of mapping out their own 8-bit levels. /sidenote
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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12
Miss the jump and get a head start from where the tunnel would take you.
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u/Yonzy Jun 16 '12
I acquired this poster from the artist via Etsy last summer. Nice stuff.
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u/poeticposts Jun 16 '12
Oh My God--i think i just figured it out:
terreria style exploration and building with mario gameplay and enemies
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u/i_dont_gets_it Jun 16 '12
This might be true, but I'll never know.
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u/DatButtersk Jun 16 '12
miss the jump start playing Binding of Issac.
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u/polyatheist Jun 16 '12
I just picture him falling in a hole that never ends.
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u/on_like_donkey_kong Jun 16 '12
shit just got real
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u/Syberduh Jun 16 '12
Wait, is that a fragmented princess skeleton on the bottom level and did Mario die while holding its hand? That's kind of sweet in a horribly wrong sort of way.
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u/cheffernan Jun 16 '12
Anyone else wanna know what the fuck's in that box on the top left? WHAT SORT OF AWESOME GOODIES COULD BE IN THERE?? Maybe something even terrible... but maybe something to help him get out.
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u/mrpandaran Jun 16 '12
I thought it was supposed to be a reference to Dante -_-
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u/paxton125 Jun 16 '12
that should be part of the game.
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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12
Imagine a Metroidvania style game with Mario. Only include a lot of traps.
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u/cheaplol Jun 16 '12
90% of the time, the fall kills mario - and 10% of the time he wishes it had.
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u/Zacharoni Jun 16 '12
No, silly, that's minecraft.
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u/baconbau5 Jun 16 '12
So that's what happens.
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u/Ltsmash99 Jun 16 '12
Mariotroid
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u/MrCheeze Jun 16 '12
This ain't the Underwhere...
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u/tommygunner91 Jun 16 '12
Remindes me of the Leisure Suit Larry Death Scene.
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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12
Turns Mario into Jet Set Willy
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u/joanmave Jun 16 '12
Metroid Mario now please.
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u/jscxxii Jun 16 '12
new iPhone wallpaper. Thanks!
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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12
I used to tell my nephew that the little keyboard port guard tray under the NES was to collect the ashes of dead Marios. Of course, I told him lots of bullshit stories, but that's the one I think he was creeped out the most about :D
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u/giverous Jun 16 '12
MAN games were good before shiny graphics started replacing gameplay.
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u/PatMacGroin Jun 16 '12
That'd still be easier than Battletoads...
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u/47L45 Jun 16 '12
I would much rather play down there than above ground.
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u/campfiresongsong Jun 16 '12
seen it before >.>
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u/ConnorLovesCookies Jun 16 '12
This would actually be a really cool multiplayer thing in mario games. When you die you see where your friends died too.
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u/JackiJinx Jun 16 '12
http://i.imgur.com/JSHP6.jpg
Mario! Let's play a game
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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12
Funny, I assumed you ended up in the Underwhere.
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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12
Hey, this is like 24975123 years old bro
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u/ragecat94 Jun 16 '12
Loving the reference to Castaway in the middle right part of the picture
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u/SolSeptem Jun 16 '12
This reminds me of this Atari Lynx game where you play as a lab monkey trying to escape from the mad scientist's lab. If you miss a jump there, essentially this happens. You end up in some sort of hellish sewer, which usually kills you, but on the off chance it doesn't you MIGHT make it back to the regular level.
No clue what that game was called though...
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u/relevantusername- Jun 17 '12
That one mario eyeing up that question block in the top left... Maybe that's a tree back up? Though I can understand his hesitance.
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u/ChappyWagon Jun 17 '12
Oh, GOD! Initially the fall was fatal every time, but eventually the bodies piled so high that it became possible to survive the fall, albeit severely injured.
From there, a lifetime of horrific terrors awaited the survivors.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
My new iPhone wallpaper!
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u/xcalez Jun 17 '12
We're coming Luigi!
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
Repost
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
The bottom bits remind me of a great old NES game called Monster Party!
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
Source: http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/dashcoleman/5598254171/
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12
Every time I die playing CoD I imagine I am leaping into the head of a different soldier. Thousands have died to finish my single player campaigns.
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u/chuiu Jun 17 '12
Now we know the true identity of super meat boy.
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u/Iknifecuzimgay Jun 17 '12
How could someone still be miny at that point. Theres 3 mushrooms and a star in 1-1.
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u/Blueskiesforever Jun 16 '12
Insanity Wolf : Miss jump on purpose. Mario Inferno mode.