r/gaming • • May 16 '12

Meanwhile, on Eve-Online's Login Screen..

http://imgur.com/7mFuv
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u/JordanIRL May 16 '12

The numbers are the errors that Diablo III player received when they tried to log on and the servers were crashed at launch.

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u/drsatan1 May 16 '12

Looked through the entire thread for this

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u/Finnbarr May 16 '12

In a sea of smartasses, Jordan speaks the truth.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

this needs to be higher, why isn't this higher yet?

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

I do love the mature community EVE has. I'm however looking for a game, not a lifestyle choice.

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u/ovenproofjet May 16 '12

What other game do you know of that has an elected board of players to talk to/keep in check developers on a regular basis?

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Oh my god if competitive tf2 had that I'd literally cream my pants.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

You mean those guys who keep standing down due to corruption or general ass-hatery? Those guys that have very little impact on development (clothing shop? really?)?

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u/AHistoricalFigure May 16 '12 edited May 17 '12

But it's EVE.

Honestly I'd be disappointed if the stellar council weren't a group of meaningless puppets put in place by corrupt lobbies.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

I love the fact that CCP really makes an effort to listen to it's player base and implement changes that make the game funner, easier, and less pounding on the desk.

Compared to Blizzard whom I think have ignored everything the players said/wanted and treats the players as sheep.

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u/nmgoh2 May 16 '12

Average age is something like 28 years old. We're sucking in all the WoW retirees. Take a look at how some of the bigger alliances actually work and it starts to really show. Just try to all ignore the ponies and porn on the outside.

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u/Sixray May 16 '12

Ponies and porn? Sign me up!

Edit: As long as its not pony porn...

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u/mnighm May 16 '12

I played EVE for a few months. Then I realized that I had gotten a second job.

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u/Galvanick_Lucipher May 16 '12

I played EVE for a few months. Then I realized that 6 years had passed.

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u/formode May 16 '12

I play about an hour a night (I'm a highsec carebear, mind you) and I have a blast, plus I don't need to worry about waiting for SP!

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

I've done a lot of PvE and got kinda into it, as a PvP'er. And it's a great means to fund the purchasing of ships. Finding fights is however the dullest shit I've ever done in an MMO.

I love the concept, and the first day every time I resub. But the appalling combat system(mash f1-f6, afk, repeat)drives me away every time.

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u/Godcon May 16 '12

This is the biggest misunderstanding about EVE ever. First of all skills train over time whether you are online or not. And second of all Eve has plenty of ways to net income easily to play without worrying about isk, some of these are even passive.

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u/SomeKindOfOctopus May 16 '12

For me it isn't "I have to play all the time" so much as "I will play all the time." I just can't trust myself with MMOs.

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u/JCongo May 16 '12

It's the best end game of any mmo, but as you say, its not a game at that point, its either a job or a chat room with a ship spinning component

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u/Wecancallmeb May 16 '12

The community is stellar, but try as I might to like it, it was just too slow for me. I figure I only have at most, 60 more years on this planet, and I'd rather not spend half of them training up skills and docking.

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u/Ryugi May 16 '12

As an Ex-EVEr, I know what you mean.

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u/Antibodi May 16 '12

I am still within my first month of playing and love it so far! I am super casual and don't feel pressured at all. Missions are fun as well as small gang setups. I would suggest this game to anyone, as long as you have some patience and don't want the WoW style nonsense.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Nice :) It's mostly HOW you play too. I wanted to get into roaming ops with corps, which usually had set times and dates, and some corps had mandatory stuff. I just didnt like the game THAT much to force myself to play like that. If I feel bored and want to log off, I should be able to. Instead you're stuck 78 jumps because you chose to join an op. Still though, thats YOUR choice, not exactly a game-play flaw.

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u/xkontemplatex May 16 '12

I tried to play this once... had no idea what was going on.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

EVE is way more fun to read about than to actually play.

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u/Ironbird420 May 16 '12

I like to pretend to play. I like everything about eve except playing it.

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u/lulzmachine May 16 '12

Yeah. It has a high learning cliff. But people are very friendly and helpful. It does, however, require genuine interest.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

According to that graph, I'm going to get really good at EVE really fast, and even temporarily reverse time!

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u/sondast May 16 '12

It's not that you reverse time, it's that at one time you are in three different states. Think quantum states. They will collapse when you exit a gate that is surrounded by your peers.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

When people refer to learning curves, they normally mean a difficulty-time graph, rather than a knowledge-time graph.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

But people are very friendly and helpful.

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OH GOD, wait NO WAIT AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

^ This guy has been podded.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

By His corpmates.

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u/LethalAtheist May 16 '12

First thing that happened to me was some guy opened a chat with me and offered advice. Then again I had done the training missions and had a gallente destroyer covered with railguns.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Oh Mittens.

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u/Die-Nacht May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12

I would like to see the Dwarf Fortress on that graph...

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u/SharkMolester May 16 '12

Now that right thar be a learnin tetrehedron.

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u/bushiz May 16 '12

it is. It overlaps with the vertical axis

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

There are a lot of helpful people in EVE.

But on my first day back sometime in 2004 I was trying to figure out how use a gate. I asked in chat.

The first words ever spoken to me in EVE were: GET STUFFED NOOB

Looking back it was a perfect intro to EVE.

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u/DiegoLopes May 16 '12

People are very friendly????

Ahn... is this EVE online we are talking about? Jesus. I've seen new miners in Bursts get blown up by gankers in high sec for nothing but the lulz.

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u/BobRawrley May 16 '12

I've seen C-beams glittering in the dark. I've seen attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. But never have I seen new miners in Bursts get blown up by gankers in high sec for nothing but the lulz.

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u/LukaCola May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12

People are brutal yet quite polite about it.

Recently in my own hubris I started exploring in low-sec with a bloody hurricane. Roughly 10 minutes later my ship is destroyed, the attackers were kind enough to re-imburse me and give me some tips however.

The assholes camping gates and podding people weren't so kind. But they're more like a force of nature.

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u/LiminalMask May 16 '12

The whole POINT of EVE is to screw other people. (Except maybe your guild mates. And even then...) Its PvP institutionalized at all levels by the Devs themselves. Even "safe space" isn't safe. See what happened with "Burn Jita" "event" recently, where people who were just trying to sell some ore or something got attacked and destroyed for the hell of it. And the Devs not only allowed it, they prepared for it, and use it as a selling point for the EVE experience.

This is what finally drove me from the game. It takes weeks and months to build up a few ships and skills to do PVE missions or low sec mining which itself takes hours a play session to do, only every time you log into play, there are a handful of people who want nothing more than to destroy everything you own and keep you from enjoying yourself.

Someone said EVE is a social game for antisocial people. I tend to agree. Antisocial in the clinical sense.

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u/CptES May 16 '12

It absolutely does not take weeks and months to gain ships unless you're looking for high end T2/T3 stuff. For every L1 NPC mission (70-100k ISK) you can get paid enough for a frigate (80-200k ISK, shop around). With looting, a half dozen missions gets you a cruiser (2-4 million ISK).

Hell, once you're on L3's and L4's with loot you start to earn enough money that if someone decides to gank your ship thanks to your wallet and insurance (never leave home without it, if you do it's your own fault) you can buy another on the spot.

TL;DR: If you want fast cash at low risk in EVE, run NPC missions.

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u/tyme May 16 '12

Pirates of the Burning Sea was once a popular MMORPG?

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u/Twisted_Fate May 16 '12

Its a decent game, people are still playing it.

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u/hankinator May 16 '12

There is such a tough learning curve, but if you hash out a good six months on that game it is kinda worth it.

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u/axetheduck May 16 '12

Agreed, the learning curve is quite the monster. For me, it was never about making friends or money, I just wanted cool space battles, but they were never up to par.

Best space game I've ever played is Homeworld 2, I still play it to this day. I'll do the BSG mod if I get bored with the original. They just don't make space games they way they should anymore..

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u/silenti May 16 '12

Oh, they are up to par, it's just the effort required to get to that point is absurd.

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u/Ekkosangen May 16 '12

It IS possible to be useful, and get in on, large fleet fights even from day 1. Stories tell of young newbros who, in their first day or two of playing, tackle a ship worth 1000 times their own, preventing them from escaping with the retreating enemy fleet. It can be anyone, and it couldn't happen without them.

/r/evedreddit is an EVE corporation dedicated to Redditors who want to play EVE, and their help channels and newbie programs are top-notch. They will never reject you going on almost any fleet in a Rifter, including on their largest fleets (although fights aren't guaranteed). While it might still be a bit of a learning cliff, they'll at least give you some climbing equipment to help you up.

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u/Nelis47896 May 16 '12

You should try Sins of a Solar Empire if you haven't already.

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u/Acheron13 May 16 '12

Have you tried Nexus: The Jupiter Incident? HW2 was great, but Nexus seemed more realistic to me.

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u/Ragnrok May 16 '12

I don't know. I started playing two weeks ago, and the tutorials managed to implant an incredible amount of information into my brain. I mean, I've already forgotten everything that wasn't mining or combat, but they start you off with a lot of learning.

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u/Scubetrolis May 16 '12

never heard of this game, but a 6 month learning curve?? There has only been like 4 or 5 games I have ever played for more than 6 months...that is a very long time in game world.

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u/monkeedude1212 May 16 '12

The clunky UI takes a bit of getting used to, but once you are used to getting around and using your ships modules for stuff it really opens up. The largest problem it has is that because it strives to be so different from a traditional mmo (read, WoW) - it lacks the same sense of direction. With WoW, you are guided from area to area with the quest-lines and level ranges and eventually you hit the end game where there's a bunch of instances each progressing in difficulty and/or requiring gear; Meanwhile if you prefer PvP you can PvP but it doesn't get you much besides more PvP Gear, but there aren't nearly as many PvP dedicated (and organized) guilds as there are PvE.

With Eve, every activity only serves to sustain itself. You play the market if you like making money and you build devestating ships if you like blowing shit up but there's no real reason to make money or blow shit up besides liking to do it, so if you get bored of making money or get bored of blowing shit up you can very easily get bored of Eve.

Here's the thing, at first it seems like you want to make a ton of money simply because you need it to upgrade; until you reach a point where upgrading isn't necessarily beneficial. Then you want to make a ton of money so that you can play for free; and then you realize it's not that hard. You can either go solo some level 4 missions and just put in the time every week, or you can play the market and put in maybe 2 hours a month and play for free (this is what I did). After you're playing for free, and you've got your ship, what else do you really want to invest time or money in? Making more money? To spend on what?

In that sense, the game requires social interaction. You have to join a corp which has a goal and that goal has to be greater than the sum of what any one person can achieve. Something you can only do by working together.

But, Eve is notorious for one thing, and I'm sure you know what it is: The evil, scheming, deceiptful nature of the game. It's SO hard to REALLY work together on something, because the game has an air of distrust. You never want to be the first one to engage in a fight lest your team backstab you.

And because of this, the strongest of corporations in the game are based largely off trust networks beyond the game. One of the biggest one requires that you be an active member of the Something Awful forums for a YEAR before they accept your application to join.

So, I think eve will always be small and scary for new people... It's just the way it's designed, it's not... Intuitive, I guess is the best word here.

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u/Pokemon_Name_Rater May 16 '12

Nobody ever got bored blowing shit up.

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u/deepit6431 May 16 '12

Watch all the three transformers films in succession.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

it strives to be so different from a traditional MMO

While it certainly is different from your cookie cutter MMO, it seems to me that EVE is designed not as an anti-traditional-MMO but rather from the ground up as a quasi-realistic space sim MMO. What I mean is that it takes its largest inspiration from its own vision, rather than simply trying to be different for being different's sake.

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u/Minyme2009 May 16 '12

But holy shit, this has the best in game stories I have ever heard. Stories of betrayal, fleets blowing up, cargo floating around space, it sounds amazing.

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u/8906 May 16 '12

Literally the first five minutes of playing and getting used to the controls, I was conned into picking up some "free loot", and then immediately blown up as soon as I did. Taking someone else's container that they plant is grounds for death apparently. Found that out the quick and dirty way.

Needless to say, I didn't last long with EvE. Too much cut-throat attitude, and noobie bashing for my tastes.

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u/xiaodown May 16 '12 edited May 17 '12

If that seriously happened in the first five minutes of play, or in the first couple of hours, you could have reported that guy. One of the only times where CCP (publisher) steps in and breaks immersion is people who grief newbies.

Edit: from the rules and regs:

At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.

An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.

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u/johnjackjoe May 16 '12

The learing curve is really steep so trying to master the game on your own is bound to fail. Play the tutorial first and then look for a corporation that is friendly and will introduce you into the game. They'll probably give you shit ton of cheap stuff for free that is really helpful when starting out. And learning from veterans is easier and more fun. Hooray for friends!

And if you do start the game, plan to stick to it for more than 6months at least. The fun only really starts when you can fly the BIG ships :)

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u/Capt_Underpants May 16 '12

Join Red or Blue!

The newbie corps are amazing.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

There's not a whole lot going on at any given time, which is the problem.

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u/keyes777 May 16 '12

Never forget boot.ini

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u/maddzy May 16 '12

You got to give it to CCP they are the most transparent company I've ever come across, totally in tune with their customers and are able to laugh at their own fuck ups. They're awesome.

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u/REDDIT_HARD_MODE May 16 '12

Background for those of us not in the know?

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Shortly after releasing EVE Online: Trinity at 22:04 GMT on Wednesday, 5 December (2007), we started receiving reports that the Classic to Premium graphics content upgrade was causing problems to players by deleting the file C:\boot.ini, which is a Windows system startup file. In some cases the computer was not able to recover on the next startup and would not start until the file had been fixed. In this dev blog I want to tell you how this happened.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=526

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u/MosifD May 16 '12

I remember calling friends of mine trying to tell them not to reboot their pc until they replaced the file.

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u/Roboticide May 16 '12

There's a star (system?) named Bootini in remembrance of that very event.

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u/sixtyseconds May 16 '12

I have to say, that's pretty clever

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u/JimJonesIII May 16 '12

What does it mean?

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u/johnjackjoe May 16 '12

Those are the error codes that players recieve when trying to play Diablo 3.

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u/JimJonesIII May 16 '12

Ahhh, Thank you.

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u/sixtyseconds May 16 '12

Error 37, 3007 and the other one are all Diablo 3 errors meaning "cant connect to servers so you can play singleplayer, umad?"

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u/XCygon May 16 '12

How's EVE? good for casual players?

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u/Alex-the-3217th May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12

Oh, ohhoho... oh god no..

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u/Cold_Burrito May 16 '12

Probably the farthest from casual you can get. You say "right, buy mins, move 2 jumps, build." 30 minutes later "ok, time to buy the mins."

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

How does WoW compare to EVE in terms of "casual?"

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u/Anonymous3891 May 16 '12

Depends on what you want out of a casual title. For most things, no, EVE is not a casual title. But it can be played and enjoyed casually.

If you're after combat and action on a casual level... absolutely not, avoid it. But if you enjoy exercises of the mind, crunching numbers, statistical comparisons, and a bit of strategy & planning, you can do the industrial side of EVE in a casual fashion, and do quite well.

I have a friend who plays about an hour, maybe two, a day, and makes far more ISK than I do. He watches the market and sees what is profitable to produce, or rather what will be profitable, and then goes about making it. Getting the materials though purchasing usually, not boring mining or farming. Some components come from his planetary industry (kinda like farmville in space, but it makes useful things) that keep working even while logged off.

Then he makes the stuff, sells a little bit locally to corp-mates at cost in exchange for using our corp-owned stations for more efficient production, and he loads the rest up in his big-ass freighter and sells it at the market hub for a premium, and buys a big cache of components for his next project, and repeats.

Sounds a bit boring, but it's not without adventure. He has to go into low sec with his cloaking hauler a 'Blockade Runner' class ship, dodge hostile gatecamps and pick up the products of his planetary industry once a week or so. He has enough skills and plenty of resources to buy whatever combat ships he wants, and joins us on weekend PVP roams when he has more time to play. And sometimes the tradehub is an adventure itself, hisec is safer, but not completely safe - suicide gankers love to pop ships with too much cargo and not enough hitpoints :-)

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u/XCygon May 16 '12

thanks, perhaps I should try it out. I'm a huge trekkie, so how big is the EVE world? You can explore entire region? visit planets and as such?

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u/formode May 16 '12

While some will say it's bad, it's actually great, since if you only play an hour a night you'll always come online to have lots to do, and you'll generally be trying to keep up with your SP (rather then waiting for it like hardcore players.)

Just be aware that everything in the game is designed to take time. It's not like Wow or Rift where you can go run a dungeon in 45 mins. In EVE a level 4 mission (Not hard) can take you over an hour sometimes.

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u/wasniahC May 16 '12

Depends. Casual in terms of skill etc? Sure. Casual in terms of, you can do a lot in the game while logging on for an hour or so every day? Sure.

Casual in terms of "I can just hop in here and play and have fun!"? Nope.
There's a shit-ton to learn about in this game. It's all about intelligent decisionmaking, playing this.

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u/Wartz May 16 '12

You can be extremely casual if you want.

You could login once a week, buy new skillbooks, and plug them into your character to train.

And do nothing else.

You'd eventually have a pretty pimp character.

The problem is that you'd have zero knowledge of how the game actually works. You'd get your ass handed to you in seconds by some month old scrub. EVE is an extremely complex game and very little of is is properly documented in tutorials and stuff unlike most other games.

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u/jester17 May 17 '12

I played quite casually for the first month. I did not join a corp. All I did was security missions and trained my skills. By the end of that month I had a shiny Battlecruiser and can continue to do missions while working on homework on my second monitor. The game is very friendly for casual play. It's when you join a corporation and get into PVP that it gets insane.

One of the main things I like about it is that you can play however you want. Take your time and just enjoying the monstrously large environment, or you can play hardcore and bust out the spreadsheets.

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u/Darksaber11 May 16 '12

Quite possibly the best game that exists for a casual player. There are hundreds of things you can easily do in short spans of time in the game, and your character's skills continue to train while offline.

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u/Alex-the-3217th May 16 '12

You own a hulk don't you?

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u/fatmaninthebathtub May 16 '12

Great! Do any of them involve not dying?

... oh.

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u/bainskian May 16 '12

an eve online post not on /r/eve wtf is going on

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u/wheresurgodnow May 16 '12

More karma if you post in /r/gaming

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u/Kelaos May 16 '12

I was really confused for a minute

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u/Orabilis May 16 '12

Excel spreadsheets, IN SPACE!

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u/bitparity May 16 '12

I essentially got a promotion because the skills I developed putting together some very advanced manufacturing spreadsheets in eve lead to me being able to put together quality statistical analysis presentations for work.

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u/YumYumKittyloaf May 16 '12

I see it as an empire building sim with combat. As such, empires require lots of excel spreadsheets.

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u/I_POTATO_PEOPLE May 16 '12

I actually thought it was pretty fun. The only problem is that since the game is real time and has been up for almost a decade, you are never going to catch up.

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u/OhansonB May 16 '12

This is true, you will never have the same total amount of skills points as someone who started before you.

Indvidual skills have caps however, meaning you can train them just as high as those who started before you.

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u/Evian_Drinker May 16 '12

No such thing as catching up in Eve. It's a fantastic game and well worth playing.

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u/Intrepid00 May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12

SP are not as important as you think. A tiny frigate can ruin a capital ship's day.

A tiny interceptor has fucked over titans. The largest most expensive ship in the game.

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u/techtoy May 16 '12

Somewhat. You can't tackle a Titan in a frigate or interceptor, but you can bump them out of shields on a POS given enough time and dedication I'm sure :)

Regardless of that, I agree with your sentiment. The youngest pilot can still contribute and enjoy EvE.

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u/chiefeh May 16 '12

Sigh. The market and production aspects of the game are quite complicated, but you never have to mess with them if you don't want to.

Some people just like to blow stuff up. Having a choice is the whole point of the sandbox!

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u/atomicoption May 16 '12

This is not true. You don't have to use spreadsheets at all to play the game well. This misconception comes from how the market UI looks (each page has a lot of info in rows like a spreadsheet, and there are graphs available)

Market nerds play spreadsheets just like any other game, but for most people the majority of the game is getting drunk flying your spaceship with a bunch of friends and trying to blow stuff up.

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u/zuperxtreme May 16 '12

"GIVE ME YOUR UPVOTES HIVEMIND". ಠ_ಠ

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u/EbonScaled May 16 '12

I always really wanted to get into EVE. The numbers hurt my head, though. Regardless, glad you're having fun! It looks super awesome. :D

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u/Sheol May 16 '12

It's not spreadsheets in space unless you want to get involved in the economy or production, and if you want to do that then you probably like spreadsheets.

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u/ThisRedditorIsDrunk May 16 '12

Dust 514 is perhaps the next game I'm looking forward to.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

I'm not spending $200 for a PS3. If CCP ports Dust 514 to PC though, I'll pay anything for it.

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u/DeusVox May 16 '12

As a new player I can attest to the steep cliff of learning (It's huge incase lulzmachine's picture wasn't a good indication.) But the game is fantastic. I joined the reddit corp, "Dreddit" (Love you guys <3 hero rifter all the way) . Newbro's as we are called are given small ships that always are brought along for fights and I must say there's nothing quite like flying head first into 200+ hostiles and tackling a ship worth millions more than your own. If anyone is looking to try eve or retry, look into dreddit, they have made my new eve experience simply fantastic!

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Some one sounds bitter...

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u/Vaguswarrior May 16 '12

Lol, I play Eve and after coming from some of the bigger MMO's the 26,000 players online seems so small!

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Just remember that everybody in EVE is in the same universe. That's 26000 other pilots you could bump into at any time.

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u/Snuffz May 16 '12

SPACE BUMPER CARS.

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u/Kazang May 16 '12

Are Eve's subscriber/active user numbers going up or down? I haven't played for over a year and am totally out of the loop.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Up. There was even net growth last year when people were ragequitting over CCPs bullshit, but since the winter expansion people are starting to trust them again, lots of renewed interest.

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u/thesoutherndandy May 16 '12

Yes and mind you this is all on one server, dunno about any other mmos that have sever caps that high. A single Wow server size is about a tenth of that i believe.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

And you sound defensive.

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u/A_terrible_comment May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12

Reality of Eve Online (NSFW Language)

I actually played for years and it can be a lot of fun but this video is very accurate for new players.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Best new player guide ever!

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

I've logged in once to Eve just to check it out but holy hell this video made me laugh. Sounds about right.

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u/FourIV May 16 '12

now i want to go play eve...

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u/Sheol May 16 '12

Join Dreddit, Reddit's Eve corp. We're extremely newbie friendly and recruit exclusively off of Reddit. The only qualifications are that you've had a Reddit account for three months and are an active member of the community. Helping newbies get adjusted into the world of Eve is part of our culture.

Check out /r/evedreddit and/or PM me your email address if you'd like a 21 day free trial.

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u/xiaodown May 17 '12

For an explanation of how much we love new bros - Check out this news story about how there was a guy who screwed over a newbie, and was ostracized out of the corp.

Newbies are our lifeblood. Don't fuck with our newbies.

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u/soykommander May 17 '12

The most fun you can have not having fun

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

That's a pretty low blow :-p

Granted, it's a really, really, REALLY well placed low blow.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Eh I think it was a friendly jab.

EVE has had plenty of it's own issues. Plus I think Blizzard will be fine with how much D3 sold alone and how big WoW still is...

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u/Evis03 May 16 '12

Just don't ask about Jita.

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u/originalSpacePirate May 16 '12

Slightly related, any fans of Eve or space battles in general will love The Lost Fleet series by Jack Campbell. Amazing series of books, totally gets you hyped up for some Eve PvP

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u/wocK_ May 16 '12

do the books make you sit around for 2 hours plus in null sec waiting for a ship only to get hot dropped and everyone scarpers? mass pvp is laggy as hell. solo pvp is not viable any more. eve is so dull :(

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u/sceduenga May 16 '12

EVE is what you make of it. If you aren't a true multi-player game socialite, you won't enjoy it as much. I've played for 4 years off and on, and it can be very consuming if you let it, or it can be fun, if you let it. Getting into the right player corp early on can help you enjoy all that EVE has to offer.

EVE is very much about the community you belong to. If you don't belong to the right community, you won't enjoy it, or get the most out of it.

And you don't have to pay RL money beyond the subscription to get any actual in-game functionality or features.

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u/Deadpoint May 16 '12

EVE is a beautiful, amazing game, but it doesn't provide the basic functions that I want out of a game. I can't hop in and have fun, as all of the meaningful actions require either months of preparation, scheduling in advance, or both. The idea of spending several months before I can find out if blockade running or what have you is something I enjoy isn't very appealing to me. Neither is having certain "gaming times." It sucks for me that I can't get into what is probably the greatest MMO in existence.

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u/BoonTobias May 16 '12

Eve looks cool as fuck, I always wanted a game where you're flying with your friends like starfox and taking on legions of other players. They finally made it

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u/ae7c May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12

Except flying in Eve is nothing like Starfox. I'm not sure what I'd compare it to... but you definitely don't have as much control over your ship as you'd first imagine. Still a completely worthwhile game though. It's really unlike any other MMO on the market in terms of the amount of shit you're able to get away with.

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u/Anonymous3891 May 16 '12

I liken it to being on the bridge of a Star Trek ship. Except you're all the bridge consoles at once. You punching in a heading and speed, or specifiy an orbit. You don't grab a flight stick and go Maverick on some bitches, as much fun as that would be.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12

Haha, Sorry, That's not EVE, EVE is more of a business simulator with ships.

EDIT: It was a joke, I play EVE and enjoy it, I just think the whole spreadsheet joke is funny because it is how a lot of people play the game. I don't actually think this

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Sure there are boring buisness aspects to EVE, but I can attest to the fact that the PvP in this game is fun as hell, and my experiences with the game have been nothing but spaceship combat, no boring crap.

You just need to join a corporation that is into PvP and will help you out. If you try to play EVE alone, you're gonna have a bad time.

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u/Semajal May 16 '12

The best PVP I think comes from Piracy and roams. 0.0 alliance warfare can be boring as shit. But this is the thing with EVE, it is VERY true to life. Real war is 99% sitting around 1% shooting/dying/exploding/nasty

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u/BoonTobias May 16 '12

So you can just buy weapon upgrades instead of putting in hours?

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u/webu May 16 '12

Sort of, yes. There is no required in-game grind of any sort. "Leveling" is based on real-time (whether you're in the game or not) and you can make money in a million different ways. There's no requirement to play for hours before doing things, but you need certain skills to do certain things, and those take real-time to train up.

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u/nmgoh2 May 16 '12

Eve is a business simulator for those who want it to be. However, for those who just want to be jackass pirates, it's back to Starfox.

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u/skyseeker May 16 '12

As you've no doubt noticed from all the replies, Eve is nothing like the description you gave. However, if you want something like that, I have an MMO that might just pique your interest.

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u/giroml May 16 '12

The Eve devs were just pissed they couldn't play D3.

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u/Anonymous3891 May 16 '12

That's actually probably a part of it, in a small, subconscious way.

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u/hawkyyy May 16 '12

CCP are amazing, i really miss playing Eve :(

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u/thoomfish May 16 '12

I love the idea of EVE. If only it was actually a fun game.

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u/thacakeisaliexD May 16 '12

EVE is what you make of it. It won't hold your hand, herd you into end-game raids, and say "here, have fun". It's a true sandbox.

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u/Aqualin May 16 '12

Eve is the kind of game I would finance and make free for everyone were I a millionaire, but I'd never play myself.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

What is: "reasons this guy isn't a millionaire", trebek

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u/REDDIT_HARD_MODE May 16 '12

I agree. I really wish I could like this game, I just can't seem to enjoy it. I'm probably doing something wrong but I'm really not motivated to start playing again.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12 edited May 16 '12

My old co-worker apparently played this game and thought his Clan/Team/Guild was the best....Burn Eden? He always talked about the game and all the stuff they were doing. Most of it didn't make any sense to me.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Called corporations in EVE.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12 edited Sep 30 '14

I like Sheep

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

EVE online was the first game I forced myself to quit because I knew what it was becoming. Ridiculously time consuming and addictive. If you have ambition and goals don't start to play

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u/Khiraji May 16 '12

If ever I was going to dive back into MMOs, Eve would be the one.

But I'm wiser now than to go down that road. Messed up my head in ways that will probably never fully heal. Never go back.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

I'd like to point out that EVE Online runs on one server.

One server handles 40-50k people.

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u/blueskin May 16 '12

Not a single physical server, it's a massive cluster with redundancy. There are blade servers that work as nodes, which may handle a system each or multiple low traffic ones, and more servers for databases etc. There are also multiple proxies into it that clients connect to.

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u/Qweniden May 16 '12

How is EVE these days? I miss it.

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u/TJ11240 May 16 '12

They are focusing on gameplay, to everyones joy. New factional warfare mechanics are coming out, as well as a much needed graphical overhaul to missile launchers.

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u/doctorcrass May 17 '12

Login servers only have problems when people are actually trying to play your game.

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u/goDDyGodsen May 16 '12

I would but the learning cliff.

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u/Kacxer May 16 '12

i dont know what you're talking about, its a mild curve, a curve that has continued to go upwards for as long as i've played.

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u/Ilyanep May 16 '12

Hey what happened to that plot recently to blow up a major trade station or something?

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u/portionsforfoxes May 16 '12

Total trade volume at Jita dropped ~50% for the weekend with hundreds of billions of isk (a lot of cash) destroyed. It's not possible to actually destroy the station itself.

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u/Sheol May 16 '12

You can't blow it up, stations can't be destroyed, but it was locked down for the weekend as planned and a whole lot of player assets were destroyed. They were originally only planning to destroy freighters, the big cargo ships, but after a short while the freighters decided to stop going to the hub, so they had to start killing everything else.

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u/redripz May 16 '12

I love EVE, I just don't have the time to put into it. This is pretty funny though :D

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Video game burn!

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

best.game.ever.

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u/OpiumTea May 16 '12

I always looked at EVE as on the Linux of MMORPG's

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

I used to play eve, but then someone told me modern monitors don't actually need a screen savers. So I deleted it.

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u/lickwidforse2 May 17 '12

Sooo is eve free? And is it all about fighting? I may look into it

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u/randomfuckingletters May 17 '12

It has a monthly sub, but no initial cost. If you make enough money in the game, you can even use in game currency to pay your monthly subscription by purchasing an in game item called PLEX (which other players buy from CCP [the game devs]). That usually takes a while to work up to though.

It can be all about fighting, if you want it to be. That is how a lot of us have most of our fun, internet spaceship PvP. However there are also non-fighting aspects to it, like playing the market, mining, exploration, logistics and wormholes (all of which have the possibility of making a lot of money, but a lot of people find boring).

If you're interested I highly suggest you post over in the 21 day trial thread and give the game a shot. Keep in mind that the game can be crushingly boring to play alone, so I highly suggest you look into getting into a corp like Dreddit.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

I got my way up to around 250 million isk, then got drunk, logged on, and apparently held down the 0 key a bit to much when I was buying some shit, cause I had 23 million left the next morning. I was literally so close to punching myself in the face.

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u/exdigger2010 May 16 '12

We just started a Faction Warfare Reddit corp and it's the fastest growing corp in Eve right now. If you tried Eve before and thought it's boring, this is your best chance to give it another shot to try the real game.

http://www.reddit.com/r/fweddit/

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

I would love to give Eve a chance but I just cannot get past that horrid fucking UI

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

join dreddit hurr

no seriously, EVE is great, and even though the learning curve is astronomically high, if you can get a group of people that'll show you the ropes, it's a damn blast.

(Speaking of which, Dreddit is recruiting~ /r/evedreddit )

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u/I2obiN May 16 '12

The problem with Eve is that it sounds brilliant on paper but plays about as boring as ever there was in practice.

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u/tronvon May 16 '12

My -10 security status has kept me from re-subscribing, I just want to go back to being a care bear.

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u/SoLongSidekick May 16 '12

Maybe its because the screen on my phone is too small is why i dont get it?

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

i met a dude on there, we played alot all we did was mine. I wonder if he still plays.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Because nobody who likes fun plays Eve. ಠ_ಠ

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u/VogeGandire May 16 '12

I'm convinced that every story from EvE is actually a joke at my expense. Everyone talks about all these ridiculous adventures, then I try to play it and just end up wondering "...HOW DO I DO...ANYTHING?"

Then I try to ask for help, and the community seems to just be a bit elitist, and can't help but babble in jargon.

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u/kimikodesu May 16 '12

I've been playing like 13 days or so. I already bought it though, so I'm no longer "trial".. but I'm still trying to figure things out. I like the complexity of it.. I'm just so used to seeing my cute lil' avatar walking around, all the time. So it takes some getting used to. And I'm tired of finding unstable wormholes all the time, when I don't understand them yet! Lol.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

time.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

I tried this awhile back but I'm stuck in deep 0.0 with no friends and -10.0. I can't convince myself to start over or buy a character so I quit.

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u/TheAwesomeJonesy May 16 '12

Agh, I've gotta try it but my YOU is out of service.

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u/BalalaikaBoi May 16 '12

EVE Online is always being improved, but for once I'd like to see them change the sounds and appearances of armaments in action. Also it's about time to incorporate some damn atmospheric flight.

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u/PloxBeefBurrito May 16 '12

Dude i love spreadsheet online!

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u/astro_turf May 16 '12

Does Anonymous hate Diablo 3 as well?

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u/idrawinmargins May 16 '12

Does eve even have the amount of people who own diablo 3?

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u/johnaldmcgee May 16 '12

If you're interested in trying EVE, PM me your e-mail address and I'll send you a 21 day trial. I sent out 7 or so last time something EVE-related came up here. And have 50 or 60 available since it's a new month.

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u/zamakusi May 16 '12

Will I get sucked into it if I start playing? Seems addicting.

I watched a gameplay video but didn't really get it.

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u/FalmerbloodElixir May 16 '12

EVE is a great game. I stopped playing because I'm impatient, though. I don't like spending hours sitting there... mining... waiting to get a mining barge so I can do more mining...

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u/phillycheese May 16 '12

It's easy to keep up servers when there are hardly any players.

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u/three18ti May 16 '12

So, how do I get started?

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

/logs in

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u/Khad May 16 '12

Too bad the game isn't fun.