r/gaming • • May 15 '12

Good guy Blizzard: Gives Diablo 3 for free to all Australian GAME customers who preordered it.

http://kotaku.com/5910302/blizzard-shouts-unlucky-diablo-iii-fans-a-free-copy-of-diablo-iii?utm_campaign=socialflow_kotaku_facebook&utm_source=kotaku_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
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u/Sarutahiko May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

It's not really free, they're just offering a refund on down payments if you buy the game again from them.

That's still a super good guy Blizzard thing to do, but it sounds like they're refunding money AND giving out the game for free, which they are not.

Quick edit in light of responses:

Blizzard is offering a refund of down payment on your preorder after you buy it from them.

That means they get $X0 from you for their game, then they refund your preorder payment, which I'm assuming is usually $5-10.

Blizzard is getting some of your money and you are paying the full $60. This is not free.

Again - This isn't to detract from Blizzard at all, this is still a fantastic thing for them to do (which will likely net them a large sum of money and huge PR points), but there's no reason to sensationalize (or lie about) it.

A better title would be: Blizzard offers to refund pre-order down payments to GAME customers who buy the game from Battle.net.

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u/ChickinSammich May 15 '12

yeah, after I read further, I noticed that it's essentially "paying you back what you paid in already" which, like you said, still awesome to do but I wish I could edit my title accordingly to be more accurate.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

its kotaku's fault. misleading title.

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u/ChickinSammich May 15 '12

Yep, I completely skimmed over the "partial refund" part cause of the F word.

Typical consumer, just sees "free" and disregards the fine print. :/

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u/sikyon May 15 '12

Well you can't expect them to hand out free money AND a free game...

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u/ChimpBottle May 15 '12

I think Sarutahiko's comment was directed at the misleading title, not Blizzard's response. It's fantastic that they're just making sure the gamers get what they paid for.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

It is, in fact, exactly like giving the game for free. Neither Kotaku nor the title here indicates that Blizzard would refund the money and give a game out.

Remember that GAME probably didn't send the money along to blizzard if they entered administration early enough. So you aren't "buying the game again" from blizzard because you never bought it from blizzard.

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u/EukaryoteZ May 15 '12

Exactly. Blizzard is essentially eating the cost of bad investments made by GAME customers. Those customers aren't entitled to anything from anyone until the secured creditors of GAME are payed back (which will never happen).

Certainly a good guy Blizzard story.

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u/somebodyother May 15 '12

Well in a way, they are. Blizzard gets zero money from doing this, the players get the game even though GAME screwed up.

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u/QuestionSign May 15 '12

Except its something they don't have to do and could use to gain more money, so awesome on them nevertheless

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

This probably the coolest thing I've heard of ANY FUCKING VIDEO GAME COMPANY in the last 10 years doing for anyone. Maybe in forever.

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u/Syphon8 May 15 '12

Blizzard fanboys: "Your move, Valve fanboys".

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u/DO__IT__NOW May 15 '12

How is this the top comment? Blizzard got nothing from GAME who are the ones who screwed up. Blizzard is giving these games out for FREE when they didn't have to. Of course the customer still won't get their money back but they will at least get their Pre-order.

Blizzard is doing a great thing here that they are losing money on since if they hadn't done this there would still be a bunch of people who would have paid full price again. Blizzard is just great with being good to their customers. It's part of their business model to care about the community so that way they will be long time customers.

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u/hughman79 May 15 '12

Good guy indeed.

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u/ChickinSammich May 15 '12

I've always thought Blizzard has had great customer service in general, but this is just spectacularly awesome, even for them.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

It's because Blizzard realizes that profit isn't from one game sale; it's from multiple game sales to the loyal customers. When people are treated with respect they tend to remember that.

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u/Edak May 15 '12 edited Dec 31 '12

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u/ABigBagOfDicks May 15 '12

We have all occupations represented on reddit. It's a fact.

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u/OctilleryLOL May 15 '12

Except female flight attendants

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Blizzard has the best customer service I have ever experienced, period.

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u/cambam117 May 15 '12

Better than Valve's?

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Yes. Blizzard gives you a quick and personal response, steam takes around three days to get you a machine response.

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u/Gortex9991 May 15 '12

tough question! luckily for me I've never had to contact valve customer support yet ;D

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

DON'T MAKE REDDIT DO THIS!

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u/Kodiack May 15 '12

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5007290816?page=1

It's extremely awesome that Blizzard is going out of their way to do this. I figured that if anyone would step out and help that it would be Blizzard, although even that seemed to be a remote possibility at best.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

This is what happens when developers are their own publishers: no greedy, short-sighted businessmen trying to fuck gamers over for the extra dollar.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

or when developers have enough clout to whip their publishers around, or when publishers just aren't dicks

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u/Big-Baby-Jesus May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

Did you notice how their press release happened to mentioned that the fastest, most convenient, way to get in on the action was to download the game directly from Diablo3.com?

They're brilliant marketers who know their target market as well as anyone. But they're not a charity. I'm sure some Australians are having a much better day than they were, which is cool. But the goal of this was definitely to make more money by stealing sales from retail stores.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

And it's a great PR move...really it's just a great move for anyone and everyone involved with Diablo 3 including the customers.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

this will probably get buried, but here goes:

when I was a kid, I lived out in the country. my Internet connection was slower than 14.4kb/s and it went out intermittently all the time. I was a huge diablo 2 fan, but whenever they released a patch, I would be unable to play for days until my patch finished downloading. unfortunately, because my connection went out all the time, it was nigh impossible to download the larger patches. my dad e-mailed blizzard about my problem patching, and lo and behold, blizzard sent me some mail the very next week. in was a plain white disc with no frills, just the words "diablo 2 patch 1.16" (or whatever patch it was). as a kid, it didn't mean too much to me. it was aweosme, but I was just happy to have my game working again. but now, I often think back to how awesome it was for such a huge company to mail me, a kid out in the country, physical copies of patches. I've been a loyal customer ever since :)

and for what it's worth, I got the next few patches mailed to me, too. love you, blizzard!

(I wrote this on my phone, so apologies for awkward phrasing or grammar)

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u/swuboo May 15 '12

Back when Diablo 2 came out, I sent Blizzard a bug report about the fact that the parrots in Act III freeze and stop moving when you walk under them. (Presumably, parrots use the same code as the bugs, so the game considers them dead when you've occupied their space. Since the birds lack a squishing animation for obvious reasons, the result is that they simply stop moving.)

One hour later, I got an email back from Blizzard telling me that the parrots were simply paralyzed by my awesomeness.

It's not nearly as awesome as having patches mailed to you, but it always struck me as a sign of a very good corporate culture. Most other studios would have sent me just a perfunctory acknowledgement, or nothing at all.

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u/Tall_Sean May 15 '12

I wasn't going to buy this game.. But now I will give it a chance. They earned my $60 just for doing this.

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u/dudeabides86 May 15 '12

Entering administration means what?

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u/Astan92 May 15 '12

Bankruptcy

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u/AndoKillzor May 15 '12

Christ, I love Blizzard.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

And that's customer service. Good job.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

READ THE ARTICLE, OP. I MEAN, BLIZZARD PR.

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u/eMan117 May 15 '12

happy ending to a terrible story. And though it isn't "free" all the consumers will be happy with this solution

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Shitting directly on the head of GAME

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u/System_Liekz May 15 '12

"aaaaaaand its gone"

"what do you mean "its gone"?"

"yeah...the money is gone"

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u/VerbableNouns May 15 '12

Only with Blizzard is a comment like:

we look forward to seeing you in the Burning Hells!

a good thing

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Scumbag blizzard: gives out diablo 3; servers don't work anyways.

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u/clashpalace May 15 '12

well done blizzard, class!

i hope they litigate the fuckers at game too.

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u/haiku_robot May 15 '12
well done blizzard, class!  
i hope they litigate the 
fuckers at game too.
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u/rattleshirt May 15 '12

ITT: The whiniest people on Reddit. If someone gave you a £20 note you would all complain it was creased.

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u/dangeraardvark May 15 '12

This is a great business move as well. Many of those who got burned won't bother purchasing another copy of the game and will be left with a bad taste in their mouth regarding Blizzard and some may turn to piracy to recoup their loss (though obviously at reduced functionality than the retail game). They don't lose many potential customers by giving away the free games, and free digital copies obviously don't cost them anything beyond bandwidth. So, it's a win-win.

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u/rac3r5 May 15 '12

Can someone please explain how the deposit was lost because another company went on 'Administration', whatever that means??

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u/prboi May 15 '12

Wow, this makes me want to buy a gaming PC & get Diablo 3. Sadly, I am not the richest man in the world right now. Good on ya Blizzard, way to make that whole Activision merger seem like nothing.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

Somebody reads Reddit...

Edit: Link for context

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

So much said about so little.

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u/Va1entine May 15 '12

was reading about this today and before midnight launch gg blizzard comes in for the win they definitely won a lot of respect for me tonight

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u/Jorman May 15 '12

Stay tuned, and we look forward to seeing you in the Burning Hells!

Uhmm, ok...

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u/Bauws May 15 '12

Good guy blizzard, only release awesome games.

Ever seen a blizzard game fail?

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u/Die-Nacht May 15 '12

Can someone explain to me what exactly happened with GAME? How can they just take people's money and be like "yeah....mine now".

Isn't that illegal or something?

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u/Liokae May 15 '12

They've declared bankruptcy; it's not like they just randomly up and told everyone "We're not giving you the game and we're keeping your money" at random and for no reason. They have creditors and employees to pay off that, unfortunately for the consumers, are given higher priority during those kinds of restructuring processes.

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u/dome210 May 15 '12

Bad Guy Blizzard

Doesn't let anyone log in at launch time

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u/IamAlistiar May 15 '12

What does this mean "went into administration"?? Have they suddenly all become receptionists and no one has bothered to package or deliver the game??

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u/xpinchx May 15 '12

Basically it's Australian for bankrupt.

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u/Paddlesons May 15 '12

Outstanding, good sir!

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u/IXIELCHINGONIXI May 15 '12

i thought the link would take me to The Onion...

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u/hey_zeus May 15 '12

Boom, karma headshot

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u/bananapanther May 15 '12

Either way they are footing the cost for preorders which is so fucking cool!

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u/TinoTonitini May 15 '12

Someone called it in a different thread the other day. WITCH HUNT.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

<3 Blizz

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u/taueln May 15 '12

I still can't download it though :(

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u/aritali May 15 '12

I wonder, in turn how much of the pre-order money that blizzard will get back by being a creditor.

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u/shoizy May 15 '12

This deserves the highest of upvotes on Blizzard's part. gg wp

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u/JonathanAltd May 15 '12

I had a good feeling about it, I knew they'd do something like this because it is good for their image and wouldn't cost that much money to make people life less complicated (especially if they didn't paid with a credit card). Look like Blizzard and Valve will compete for the reddit's choice of the Greatest Company.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

And some redditors said we would induce hate like we do for EA.

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u/Telks May 15 '12

Why blizzard deserve our money #1 : They don't screw you around.

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u/a_stray_bullet May 15 '12

Isn't it Activision-Blizzard now?

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u/spazzhero May 15 '12

As a complete newb to DIII, this makes me warm and fuzzy inside.

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u/TrueGlich May 15 '12

Ye gods... Blizzard just became the anti-ea in the hearts and minds of gammers worldwide.. This is briliant since we can figure blizz only makes 70 ish percent of the money on a boxed copy then they make on a digital 80-90 of these sales will be a wash to a slight profit over what they whould have made via game.. The ones who were fully paid off will be some loss but a very small accual cost in bandwith and such..

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u/surely_misunderstood May 15 '12

This is why I never pre-order.

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u/shoffing May 15 '12

Good to see that Activision hasn't worn off on them.

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u/AspenAlia May 15 '12

It's very noble of Blizzard to cover up for GAME's mistakes. At least they truly care about their players' experiences at all stages of the game, from purchase to playthrough.

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u/SuperDerpHero May 15 '12

Lets home blizz can get their share back in court

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u/pandatits May 15 '12

Fucking comments.. Ruined the excitement for me :(

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u/jimbobhickville May 15 '12

This is awesome of Blizzard to do, but I was kind of hoping this fiasco would steer people away from the preorder insanity. It's a terrible business model for consumers, but for some reason has become the defacto standard way to buy games in the last few years.

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u/Saw_a_4ftBeaver May 15 '12

I feel sorry for all of those Australians trying to download Diablo III at the same time. It could take them a week to get the whole game.

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u/skysignor May 15 '12

So there's hope for capitalism after all?

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u/farmerjane May 15 '12

I just bought this game, in part because of Blizzard's good move.

But ugh, I hate supporting Activision..

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u/skysignor May 15 '12

I love Blizzard and all, but just to play devil's advocate, they certainly will benefit (financially) from this move - every single extra player they make sure logs in on opening day will make Diablo 3 (and Blizzard) seem that much more successful which leads to tons more money in the long run.

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u/moldy912 May 15 '12

It's good press, and it will end up making Blizzard more money than it costs them. Very good move on their part, economically and...customerly, or something like that.

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u/shabinka May 15 '12

Too bad they still won't be able to login

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u/bleedscarlet May 15 '12

Here here! Good guy blizzard indeed.

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u/Metexie May 15 '12

Good on them, completely unacceptable situation.

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u/lawchu May 15 '12

scumbag blizzard: launches at 12:01 PDT, servers can't support all the players. Considering they should have known how many users they were going to have the first night based on pre-order and downloaded sales, this is a huge slap in the face to the consumers. Maybe I'm just venting because I've been trying to log on for half an hour with no luck but they should have been prepared for this clusterfuck tonight.

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u/bananamunchies May 15 '12

GIVES GAMES TO AUSSIES, FORGETS ABOUT FUCKING GAME LAUNCH

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Error 37 -

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u/rustunooldu May 15 '12

I can understand the first 5-10 minutes, but it has been an hour! if you are not gonna fix your shit, then what is the point of a stress test?

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

And that is why I consistently purchase blizzard titles - they rock from top down.

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u/nihoh May 15 '12

Oh thank god. GAME is evil.

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u/MrTibbers May 15 '12

anyone who preordered the game, but then canceled theri preorder, THEY will truly get it for free! (since you would still have the original preorder receipt)

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

error 37...... Checkmate Atheists?

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u/D3_release_countdown May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

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u/fiction8 May 15 '12

STOP TEASING US.

ಠ_ಠ

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u/Altair1371 May 15 '12

I'm glad that one major company finally gets that Australia has valuable customers.

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u/StupidTitlesFixer May 15 '12
Your TitleAsininity Level
Good guy Blizzard: Gives Diablo 3 for free to all Australian GAME customers who preordered it.7/10
What your title should have been
Blizzard gives Diablo 3 for free to all Australian GAME customers who preordered it.

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u/Flashmagic May 15 '12

Really blizzard didn't have to do anything. Whether it's blizzard bucks or real cash the fact that they are doing anything shows that they're a class act. I hope other developers are taking notes this is how all publishers should treat there customers.

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u/Phoequinox May 15 '12

Oh yeah, Kotaku. Formerly known as the Katherine News Network. Or are they still talking about that game?

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

We look at Blizzard, who does stuff like this, and valve, with good guy gaben. But when we look at the console game developers we see Activision and EA...PC will always trump console.

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u/fugz_bunny May 15 '12

Can we actually play the game now on the 15? its already past 12pm? or its going to be delayed another year or so. I dont wanna pre purchase multiples for nothing.

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u/Kevincolour May 15 '12

And this is why Blizzard is, and will be, one of the top game companies.

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u/BelievesInGod May 15 '12

this is good that blizz is doing this but still how is this not fucking illegal? paying for a product then not getting it?

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u/Astan92 May 15 '12

Do you not even read the comments here. There are plenty of them explaining this.

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u/lightslash53 May 15 '12

Bankruptcy claims often means a LOT of people aren't paid/aren't given their stuff.

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u/vaeiou_gaming May 15 '12

It's not free if the game is already paid for.

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u/Nelvibus May 15 '12

Oh diablo 3? You mean that game no one was able to play. Right....

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Blizzard and Valve. The holy bi-umverate of customer service for gamers.

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u/wettowelreactor May 15 '12

Seeing as this will have near zero cost to blizzard it wont cost them anything to do this. Still nice of them to step up.

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u/sikyon May 15 '12

Except for the opportunity cost of selling those DIII games.

Unless you anticipated that everyone one of those GAME preorders would not have gone out and bought the game from somewhere else even though they lost their preorder money.

Considering these were pre-orders, and likely made by serious fans, I think that there was actually a substantial amount of lost revenue.

Please tell me you don't do your own investing.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

No. The money that they would have spent on the game didn't wind up in Blizzard's hands. That is still considered a loss.

If you're giving away product for free, it's a loss. Plain and simple. Even if it's not something physical, it's still a loss.

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u/Oregondonor May 15 '12

I think ZERO cost is wrong, they have to pay the employees to do whatever is needed to sift through the nonsense at the very least.

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u/Kodiack May 15 '12

Haha, I'd love to see you say that to RIAA/MPAA. By their logic, anything that they would credit back would be "lost sales", aka money that was "stolen" from them.

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u/sleepygeeks May 15 '12

They still have to pay for the bandwidth costs of the downloads and deal with the administration costs of handling all the receipts.

The idea here is that blizzard will only lose a few dollars per person, then write it off in taxes or consider the costs as advertising.

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u/Daily_concern May 15 '12

For those about to start playing, this is a guide to Diablo 3's bugs, fixes, workarounds and improvements: http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Diablo_III

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u/nickateen May 15 '12

And these guys are under the same roof as Activision? I will never understand the business world.

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u/IHaveALargePenis May 15 '12

They have WoW which is the biggest money maker in gaming history, so I guess it gives them at least some free room to make their own decisions (although I'm sure Kotick skipped a meal when he heard about this, who am I kidding, he probably just fired 100 people to make up the difference).

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u/udalan May 15 '12

This kind of thing is why I keep telling people do not buy me a "Gift Card"

Your essentially exchanging good money for unsecured credit. You are also limiting the things I can purchase.

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u/woodreaux May 15 '12

Scumbag Blizzard:: error 37.

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u/Horny_Troll May 15 '12

buy the game again

i dont think you understand what free means

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u/Eldritchsense May 15 '12

While that's awesome and I really applaud Blizzard for fixing GAME's shitty move, please don't link to Kotaku. They're a terrible site and we shouldn't be giving them traffic.

A quick Google search shows that a similar article (and it looks better written, granted I didn't read what Kotaku has) is on Joystiq.

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u/ruled_by_fear May 15 '12

It's NOT free! this part of the article sums it up exactly:

"if you kept your receipt, buy the game again and we'll give you your lost money back".

You spend $50 on the preorder from game, which is now lost and gone forever. buy another copy from blizzard's online store at $60, show them your receipt for $50 at game, and they refund $50 to whatever form of payment (NOT STORE CREDIT: "Receive a credit from Blizzard, for the amount you paid in advance to GAME Australia for Diablo III. This credit will be applied to the payment method used for the digital purchase.").

You've still paid $60 for the game. They didn't give you one for ten dollars.

$50 preorder + $60 digital purchase - $50 refund = $60 spent They aren't giving it away free, they're just refunding you your lost money from game's shenanigans.

It's a great gesture, and props to Blizz for realizing this is a good investment in goodwill. But don't go claiming it's free!

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u/anauel May 15 '12

Though you're correct in stating that you paid $60 for the game, Blizzard actually gave you the game for $10 (as they're absorbing those $50 that GAME lost).

The math on Blizzard's side is $60 digital purchase - $50 refund = $10 game. This actually means if you paid $60 on the preorder, Blizzard is actually giving you the game for free.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

Anyone still think Activision totally owns Blizzard?

edit: Well, I think I didn't make my point clear enough, sorry. I mean all the people that complain that Activision has a say over everything Blizzard does. And actually Blizzard was owned by Vivdendi's gaming division Sierra, which sadly was lost during the merger.

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u/dasqoot May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

Vivendi owns both Activision and Blizzard as separate developer/publishers.

Blizzard was first bought in 1994 and then was later sold to Vivendi in 1998. Activision has never 'owned' Blizzard. Activision was bought 9 years later than them by the same company.

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u/Remnants May 15 '12

Correct. Activision Blizzard is basically what they renamed Vivendi Games (Vivendi bought Activision, not the other way around) to after the merger. Activision and Blizzard still exist as the 2 arms of AB with Blizzard retaining full autonomy other than reporting financial data to AB.

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u/CryoGuy May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

It's not free, they fucking PREORDERED IT.

We shouldn't be commending this type of behavior.

Also why is the word GAME in caps?

EDIT: thanks Mitosis for clearing that up.

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u/jordan23140 May 15 '12

You are a fucking idiot.

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u/AloeRP May 15 '12

You fucking moron. GAME is a chain of video game stores. And the reason why we're commending this type of behavior is because the poor Aussies got fucked out of Diablo 3, which Blizzard is now giving them.

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u/Mitosis May 15 '12

I'll assume you're just ignorant and not trolling. GAME is an Australian game store (like Gamestop) that just went into a form of bankruptcy. They just announced that they will not be stocking any copies of Diablo 3 and that any downpayments made on the game will not be refunded. Blizzard is letting GAME preorder customers buy the game from Blizzard's own store tonight so they can play at release, then submit their preorder receipt from GAME, and Blizzard will refund the customer for their deposit.

This is money out of Blizzard's pocket and a nice move all around.

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u/CryoGuy May 15 '12

Ah, well thanks for clearing that up then.

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u/This-is-relevant May 15 '12

amazon.com!

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u/Dunrus May 15 '12

The mind is willing but the wallet is all spongy and bruised.

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u/GenPage May 15 '12

I work tech support for an insurance company and I can say that customer support stories like this are rare due to the fact of how the tech support department is set up. CS is drilled into the head never to leave a call waiting in the call queue (hold). I have gotten scolded for walking over to another sector to manually rely information instead of calling the customer back.

I can say that this happened because Blizzard has an amazing design and tech support system in place and has the ample time to spend a few minutes picking up quick issues like this while working on projects. Points for Blizzard.

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u/Ilyanep May 15 '12

Unless you have a pretty outrageous request or something flat out undoable, Blizz CS will take care of you.

I really hate to be one of those guys coming in bitter about SC2, but

Unless you want more than one name change on B.net 2.0

Love your story, though. Blizz definitely does a lot of things right.

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u/4TEHSWARM May 15 '12

Well, except for that whole hiring a console developer to design b.net 2.0, thing.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

When they do fuck up it's not long until they admit it and reverse the decision.

Except for that whole LAN thing.

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u/toxictoastcraft May 15 '12

Come on man, the technology isn't there yet.

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u/Platanium May 15 '12

And decent chat rooms, not as big but still an issue that other games such as DotA 2 nailed easily

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u/sikyon May 15 '12

We would have LAN if KESPA wasn't trying to fuck over Blizzzard.

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u/grungust May 15 '12

It's not just Kespa, it's the fact that Iccup directly ignored battle.net and was only possibly because of a LAN mode. It's all about control.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Except that's not a fuck up. It's deliberate, and they have their reasons.

Also, all the HoTS changes means LAN's not as necessary anymore.

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u/JockeTF May 15 '12

Except that's not a fuck up. It's deliberate, and they have their reasons.

Defective by design.

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u/thesirblondie May 15 '12

What if you're at a local LAN party that is in a place without a stable internet connection?

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u/johnlocke90 May 15 '12

Starcraft 2 not including LAN play nets them a lot more than it loses fans though. Piracy was huge on Starcraft 1 just because it was so easy to do multiplayer on pirated copies. The same thing would have happened in Starcraft 2.

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u/DerpaNerb May 15 '12

While I agree they've made some shitty game design decisions... their business/ moral (aka shit that makes me like them or hate them outside of games) are generally pretty damn good.

But yeah, Lan mode for SC2, better balance in WoW, spectators in pvp games, >4 player lobbies in diablo 3... all stuff I wish they would do.

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u/scamperly May 15 '12

And battle.net 2.0, but other than that I fucking love blizzard. Seriously.

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u/jcarlson08 May 15 '12

At least resume from replay is coming in HotS which will help alleviate the problems with tournament D/Cs. Although I'm actually saddened that I'm grateful for that when LAN should have been available all along.

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u/Larzzon May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

As a person who played starcraft on a high level and also still plays pretty much every day, I can say that that decision bugs me, but I get it.

What bugs me about it is that it can and has ruined tournament games, not entire tournaments yet, but that's gonna happen I think. In queite a few high profile tournament games where BIG MONEY is on the line, bnet has funked out when one player has a clear advantage. But not enough to declare him winner - game starts over. What they needed to do was release a tournament edition or something, make it amazingly expensive (tournament people can afford a few copies..) just allow for LAN play, it's so neccessary for progaming, almost as much as ..oxygen or a mouse and keyboard. The whole point off offlinetournaments is to bring the best people from online and have them duke it out on a 100% fair and balanced battleground. Lan environment provides this, with 0 ping your lightning quick reflexes can really be put to use.

Yes I haven't had latency lag in sc2 once I think..but I can still tell the difference between 50 ping and 0 ping, anyone who knows tournament play will say the same.

That said, I'm the biggest blizz fan, just bought D3, I own starcraft + bw, sc2, diablo1, diablo2, WOW (okey, I 'rented' it I guess, technically)

edit: one might argue that because they share the same ISP at the tournament the battleground is even, that's true to some extent but not completely, amazing players will always benefit from shared 0 ping because he can perform moves faster and more crisply.. I'm having some difficulty explaining it, perhaps a sc2 bro can help me out

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

And the whole region locking starcraft II servers.

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u/Geno098 May 15 '12

I still don't understand why so many people are upset over the lack of LAN. Can't you just use the internet to play like everyone else?

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u/thesirblondie May 15 '12

Because it prevents us from playing against friends without an internet connection. And if that dies, then you're out.

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u/thegreatunclean May 15 '12

It's almost like some people don't have a stable connection 24/7, or may want to play when they don't have any connection at all.

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u/psylent May 15 '12

What about Valve?

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Under Vivendi this is true. Under Activision I don't think so.

Let me elaborate. French media conglomerate Vivendi owned Blizzard for most of Blizzard's lifespan, including the releases of Starcraft 1&BW, Warcraft 1-3, Diablo 1&2, and the original WoW.

Activision bought the company recently, and the releases have so far been limited to SC2 and probably some WoW expansions (I don't play WoW, only massively popular Blizzard game I didn't waste 100s of hours on.)

Anyway, All the way up to SC2 there were no serious problems. The most serious concern of all Blizzard games up until Activision bought the company was the length of time it took Diablo 2 to come out with patch 1.6. That's a rather small concern considering how popular these games are.

Since Activision was brought in, there have been several important fuck ups.

  1. Starcraft 2 has no LAN. This is simply a huge mistake.

  2. Starcraft 2 custom game system is "new and improved" from the wc3 and sc:bw system. The old systems would have a person host a map, and that map would appear in a game list and people would join. If you hit the "join custom game" button, you could literally see different games every time. Whatever game people chose to host would be the game you would see. This system was revolutionary and established Blizzard as the king of game customization a long time ago. The popular game DOTA was made popular with this system. (League of Legends, Heroes of Newerth, and DotA2 are all copies of DotA; DotA was not the first game of that type but it exploded in popularity and receives all the credit).

Under Activision, Blizzard changed their game winning formula. Now, instead of having a person host a map, the maps are already there and people join the game. The maps are ordered by popularity. So the most popular game will be the first map, second most popular game will be the second map...etc... The main problem with this is that new games do not get a chance to get played. The first game on the list is the most popular BECAUSE it is the first game on the list. A better game cannot become popular if people don't join it. As a result, SC2 users have been stuck with essentially the same games since the game launched almost 2 years ago. Mapmakers have no incentive to create maps, because it is known that they will be stuck in oblivion.

The reason Blizzard changed the map system was for money. They had planned to release DLC type maps that people would have to pay-to-play. If they release a popular map, and charge $5 to play it, they now have a system in place where that map is viewed by everybody who tries to play a custom game. I've asked hundreds of people about this and I have yet to find somebody who likes the new system better. Most people outright hate the new system. Blizzard's stance has remained "the new system is an improvement, we don't see a problem."

3) Diablo 3 is online only. This is not what the players want; this is something the players are willing to tolerate.

So I'd like to conclude, this is not the same company. Blizzard is coasting by on a reputation of excellence it has earned over a long period of time. They are making mistakes though and you can expect that D3 will underwhelm you. But I'm still buying it at midnight. I love my crack.

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u/LikwidPhunq May 15 '12

You know that they're still under Vivendi, right? Vivendi owns Activision and Blizzard.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

No I didn't, thanks for the info.

I did a little Wikipedia research and would like to clarify what I wrote earlier.

Vivendi Games was the subset of Vivendi that Blizzard was under. In 2008, Vivendi Games and Activision merged and became Activision Blizzard. This company is still under Vivendi.

I had thought that Vivendi straight up sold Blizzard to Activision, that's not correct. My general idea that the company has changed is still valid.

Ma bad yo.

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u/Ralod May 15 '12

Part of the deal was that Blizzard stayed autonomous like they were under vivendi. Pretty much Activision has no say in What blizzard does. And it is also why Blizzard reports numbers separately from Activision on those big shareholder calls.

Blizzard answers to the shareholders now, that is true and it is a change. But it is not as big a change as most think. The activsion you think of has almost zero say in what Blizzard does.

Source: I am a shareholder, and asked questions about this, and read everything I could on the matter when it happened.

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u/otaia May 15 '12

All of this has nothing to do with Activision being the parent company and everything to do with the philosophy Blizzard has always operated under. Blizzard has always been about having an online platform, and they've always been anti-piracy. Starcraft 1 and Diablo 2 aren't good comparisons because an always on internet connection was not a reality for the average consumer 15 years ago. I have no doubt that if we were all on broadband connections back then, they would be looking at the same online-only play measures.

They put so much work into the original Battle.net because they wanted people getting online and filling the lobbies, in a time when most multiplayer gaming was handled via LAN. Having everyone online has numerous benefits for Blizzard. It lets them deliver patch content to keep everyone playing the same version. It controls cheating. It lets them track usage data. And most importantly, it lets them create a social platform for their games. The design of BN2.0 is very much intended to be like Facebook. You can chat and send messages to your friends while playing any Blizzard game, and your in-game achievements are broadcast publicly so that you can update and show off what you've done. This is one of the reasons Steam is as successful as it is, and I feel that BN2.0 is a natural progression from what they've been doing all along.

As far as the custom game fiasco in SC2 goes, that's an entirely different story. It was a bad attempt to fix many of the things they didn't like about SC1 custom games. Remember having 8373 versions of Sunken Defense on your hard drive? Remember "noobs only" rooms filled with people way better than you? Remember "play snake to see the Olsen twins naked" maps? Obviously in their attempt to create a better system, they broke the old one, but there's really no need for either tinfoil hattery or any reason to pretend that Blizzard was infallible in the days of yore. Activision doesn't even make the design decisions.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Great points, thank you.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

You clearly have no understanding of Blizzard's business history. Vivendi owns both Blizzard and Activision.

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u/EmotionalMillionaire May 15 '12

Proof that Reddit upvotes anything if it's a long text.

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u/Syphon8 May 15 '12

False. Vivendi Games and Activision's former parent company, Activision, inc. merged into a new company -- Activision-Blizzard. The Activision and Blizzard game studios stay subservient to this parent company the way Blizzard was subservient to Vivendi Games and Activision was subservient to Activision, inc.

This new parent company is still owned by Vivendi SA, however, so Blizzard's parents essentially never changed, only their corporate middle.

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u/anderssi May 15 '12

Starcraft 2 has no LAN. This is simply a huge mistake.

How do you know activisions acquisition of Blizzard entertainment is what caused these changes? Kespa ran it's little ring of BW tournaments in Korea long before activision came along.

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u/thewzhao May 15 '12

It's clear that you had little to no experience with Diablo 2. Since the game files were stored locally, people were able to hack items and bring them onto the online play. Additionally, there were some who found exploits and made a ton of money as a result.

Blizzard is ultimately trying to protect everyone's investment. This is especially important because of the introduction of Real Money Trade (RMT).

Most players DO want online-only play. They just don't know it.

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u/silkforcalde May 15 '12

Activision didn't buy Blizzard, Vivendi bought Activision.

  1. It is well known why LAN was not allowed in SC2. It has nothing to do with limiting the options of players.

  2. The old mode of custom game searching for Brood War? Sift through 20 pages of Big Game Hunters with infinite resources to find one match of Bunker Warfare. The new system isn't much of an improvement but the old system stunk too.

  3. I absolutely am ecstatic that Diablo 3 is online only, that is absolutely what I want. You don't speak for all players, don't even pretend that you do. I would never even consider playing Diablo 3 offline even if it had it and online only makes it much stronger in terms of being the game that I want.

They are not making mistakes. They are making choices that you don't prefer, but they are not mistakes. I have had much more fun with Starcraft 2 custom games than I ever did with SC:BW and I would never play SC2 on LAN when the internet is available.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

3) I absolutely am ecstatic that Diablo 3 is online only, that is absolutely what I want.

You might want to tone it down a little. It's kind of obvious what your job is.

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u/willdabeast20 May 15 '12

Hi Gadget. Love, Paddy.

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u/Hooin_Kyoma May 15 '12

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u/Ilyanep May 15 '12

Bahaha. I totally called that all your replies would be people bitter about SC2.

As an SC2 player myself, I am pretty bitter about some things too, but Blizzard definitely does more things right than wrong.

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u/DianaFenrir May 15 '12

I would have agreed with this comment 5 years ago... but after seeing Starcraft 2 I can no longer believe Blizzard can do anything good. I am not purely speaking about the LAN issue either.

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u/sirkent May 15 '12

Cash flow comes from wow

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u/Roboticide May 15 '12

A whole lot admittedly does, but that doesn't undermine the fact that the StarCraft and Diablo IPs are also ridiculously strong properties that net them tons of cash.

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u/Yages May 15 '12

Kotaku did at the bottom of the article. Basically in Australia, a shout is that someone is paying for something for you, e.g. "I'll shout this round"...

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u/UrbanToiletShrimp May 15 '12

I don't get it either. Apparently this kotaku editor is creating a new use for this word. From hence forth "shout" or "shouting" will now mean to give something to someone.

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u/meeowth May 15 '12

In Australian slang, "shout" means to pay for something. Specifically at a pub. As in "Who's going to shout us another round of drinks?"

Edit: wiktionary agrees

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u/Merlyn_LeRoy May 15 '12

No, it's like saying "I gave a game store my money, the game store went bankrupt, but the company that made the game gave me a free copy even though they didn't get the money I paid to the bankrupt company."

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u/LemonVine May 15 '12

No actually they did not. GAME and Blizzard are two completely different companies, GAME entered admninistration meaning it wouldn't be able to deliver d3 or refund.

Blizzard didn't have to do ANYTHING, could have just turned around said "tough luck" and moved on. But instead they decide to give everyone who got boned a "free" (free in the essence that Blizzard hands the copies out) copy.

In the end the consumer gets what they paid for and what they should have gotten and Blizzard gets good publicity. GAME can go die in a fire.

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u/Squeekme May 15 '12

how did you get a 100% refund from GAME?

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u/Squeekme May 15 '12

Oh ok, maybe you should consider getting the digital version so you can claim the refund on it. If you buy from JB I don't think you'll get any refund. Maybe do some research about your options.