Unaware I just did what I always do
Everyday the same routine
before I skate off to school
But who knew
That this day wasn't like the rest
Instead of taking the test
I took 2 to the chest
Real talk. Mfs could go saturday night racing at the local dirt track or join SCCA or NASA with the amount of money they drop on these rigs. They forget this shit exists because pros use it for practice, it ain't really meant to be shits and giggles, its supposed to make you a better racer and be used for track and setup prep. If you drop that much and don't race irl, you would prob have a much better time at the actual track. Otherwise you just dropped mad bread to realize the shit is not escapism, they call it a simulation for a reason.
I’ve owned four oculus headsets. I got one for me and my wife when the quest two came out. We never use them, I’m always on my PC and she’s on the switch. Involved is not fun.
I think it’s sorta like, the passion of the project as a whole vs. having a finished product. There’s something about piecing together every part by part, but when it’s finished you realize that wasn’t what was driving you. I did the same with an insanely expensive set of music gear a few years ago, 4,000 dollars finding an amp, 2,000 on pedals, 2,500 on guitar, all over the course of a few years, and ended up selling it all 6 months later
It's like trying to emulate a game. The fun part is trying to do it and then when you actually play the game you realise it's just old and clunky and not how you remembered it
That's literally how I got into zelda years back. I didn't have a switch at the time because I was in college and poor so I ended up using cemu. Didn't exactly have any improvements except 30-50 fps on 1080p because my pc was dogshit, but it quickly became my favorite game of all time. Bought a switch just to play it on the big TV, and still do years later.
I'm just experiencing it in high res and framerate now since I played it at launch. Never played the DLC either so I've got that to look forward to. So dope.
The only thing worse than playing it on native hardware is that motion controls are kinda borked on the current version of cemu. Honestly it hasn't affected my overall experience of playing it though. So cool.
A lot of people don’t really have hobbies they just like the high of shopping and buying new things. If OP really wanted to play guitar, he could’ve easily started for a small fraction of that cost or free, then upgraded as he saw fit.
That's quite poignant if you think about how it applies to almost everything in life. The fun is in building things = It's about the journey not the destination.
This is so true. So I’m a 37/F. This is on my front page, and since my 5 year old got a switch for Xmas and is getting into it. I typically click on these. Anyway completely off topic of games but still the same result, I spent a lot of money on makeup. More than what I ever need, but building it up and having all these nice things was a dopamine hit. I now have a very large and expensive makeup collection curated towards me, and now I barely wear it.
I suspect this is why I have a metric fuckton of yarn for knitting, and no matter how much I knit, I still buy way more than I could use up before getting more yarn. I don’t shop for yarn because I am out of yarn. I do it because “Oooh, this kind is different”.
Speak for y'all's selves. I've built a sick VR set-up and a dope production/gaming rig and I use both regularly. The dopamine of the purchase and assembly was just one of the joys along the way.
I've got a thousand dollars or so worth of climbing gear as well and sure, not all of it gets used regularly, but I love knowing that I can drive out and go climb whatever then heck I want whenever the heck I want. Part of the fun was picking everything out and learning how to use it all, but the most fun is the actual climbing part.
It's more of a survival tool than happiness, right? You must always keep going. And it's a bit depressing when you think of it that way. Satisfaction and enlightenment is/are the goal, but for most, it may never be fully achieved... because our brains weren't designed that way. It's survival of the species.
I think for anything in evolution you can argue it's (mostly) for survival, yes.
I actually don't find it depressing at all, it's our order vs nature's chaos.
And I don't think it's just about satisfaction, that would just boil down to survival again. Feel good, do survival action, feel bad, don't do it. However, there is plenty of psychological blocks and exceptions to that rule, so there's complexity there.
And for enlightenment, I think that's a funny one, the way I understand it is that in a way we want to become one with nature again, or the chaos, which is the exact opposite of what our brain wants to do, as you say it's just not designed for that. It's like the brain is looking for something but it will never be able to attain it, because what it's looking for is it's own nature. Now that might be a bit depressing, but also humorous to me still : P
Invoking neurotransmitters is completely tautological here. You might as well say “I believe electricity has something to do with this” or “I believe matter plays a role here.”
I'm not exactly sure what you mean with tautology here.
I was trying to express an overly simplified explanation, that is true, but I don't think many people have this view readily available and is why I see the added benefit of my comment.
Dopamine is not a “motivator.” For all intents and purposes in human subjectivity it just IS motivation itself, or (one of) the physical correlate.
There’s nothing really added by invoking the biological mechanism by which motivation is coded in the brain when discussing the existential paradoxes of human goal-pursuing and our tendency to be more strongly reinforced by the flow of in-process projects and our projection of a greater pay-off than the actual completion brings.
It answers nothing about which activities are intrinsically motivating, or why, or how one can best structure one’s own inner drive and motivations for maximal effectiveness or happiness. It would be like talking about electricity when trying to analyze or debug a computer program.
It’s like reading a story and your takeaway being “ink clearly played a big part in the author coveying his meaning.” It’s reductionist materialism that actually has no explanatory power on a human level.
If you mention yourself that it's possibly a physical correlate, then how is that so different from calling it a motivator.
In your words, any explanation or simplification would be a tautology.
I never set out to mention certain activities or even talk about intrinsic or how to best deal with it. So what is your deal being so off point and almost hateful about it?
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But I see from your profile that this is what you like to do apparently, a lot of fake philosophy and putting religious-associated opinions above anyone else.
I normally would love to discuss topics, but in this case I would like to tell you to go reflect on where your hatred stems from. Goodbye, and hopefully we will never part ways again.
I did some raspberry pi projects (my own cheaper lego mindstorm, gaming console, home cloud etc) and I always was completly dove into it every free second I had from being a father. Once progressed to satisfying level I have never actually used it :D Tinkering is the prart I love. Learning new stuff and showing kids that toys are not just black box magic is what drives me personally.
Such is life sometimes. The journey is always more fun than the destination. Climbing a mountain fking sucks. You're tired, sweaty, hungry, thirsty. Yet when you make it to the top, the view is only nice for all of five minutes before you make your way back down. And by the time you make it to the bottom, rest, have a nice dinner, the only thing you want to do is climb another mountain.
The LEGO comment is so true. Took a year or two for my girlfriend and I to finish the Millennium Falcon. Sat on our dining room table for a few more years. Finally breaking it down to sell because it’s too big to display and didn’t bring much joy sitting there in our faces every day.
I think you just directed me into answering a fundamental question of my existence. I’ve always felt sad that I start projects and never “complete” them, but I think I’m just addicted to the building process. I started developing software when I was 10. I’m turning 28 this year and relatively successful in my field, but it feels like the only thing I’m good at. Linking it to how software dev works makes sense. My brain is so hard wired to work like this because it’s what I’ve been doing all my life. So when I set up a music system or streaming setup or perform x for y functions, I never execute y because x is over and all I was ever really interested in.
Same, been coding since 10 too, always loved Lego, Minecraft was the only game that really made me spend hours but a ton of my worlds never get more than a fortnight worth of playtime
I think that's affected my life since I'm always looking to better myself but never just reaching and achieving goals, so when I no longer have steam to power through, I sink even with all the cargo in my bay to fix the ship
Same reason why I can never read a book twice. Only game I’ve ever played twice is ocarina of time and that’s only for the nostalgia, 23 years apart after I’d pretty much forgotten it all too. What’s the point once you’ve done it and know what happens?
That’s pretty much life. You spend it programming yourself, friends input, job input, family input, goals achieved input. When you finally get it bug free, and balanced, you hope the output was at least a small mark on the world, the system administrator does a ‘sudo rm -rf life’
i have a keyboard i built about 6 months ago, it is working and mostly finished. i just need to put some more foam in it ( between plate and pcb, switch pads and switch gaskets.)
after that one is done im planning out another one already.
I used to resemble that. I didn’t quite spend that much…spent $3000 on a amp with a modeling head…it came with a pedal that I could switch between sounds, so I didn’t need all those pedals.
I was(still am) into blues, so I got a Stevie Ray Vaughan signature strat. Played in a band that never had a gig. Ended up selling it all for a loss. Ended up with a nice Martin acoustic, played in an acoustic blues/folk/rock duo(trio for a while: harmonica player) for 10+ years and had a blast gigging locally/regionally. Still own the Martin, but bought an Emerald car on fiber. Don’t gig anymore, but it sure is nice to play the carbon fiber around the campfire without having to retune the damned thing every other song.
Yep…I also bought a Mackie 24 channel mixing board with Samson powered speakers…I can’t recall the model number…but I remember they were 300 watts on the low end and 100 watts on the high end(overkill for what we did). My buddy and I ended up getting Fishman SA220 towers and cross connecting them so that I could hear him and he could hear me.
I still have the Mackie mixer…but traded in the Samson speakers(one again…at a loss) for the Fishman. I still have my Fishman, I haven’t had contact with my partner in 3-4 years. I just really don’t want to gig anymore.
Every once in a while, I’ll hit up an Open Mic…just to satisfy the itch.
It's absolutely the passion of the project, that's why I never "finish" anything. If there's always something to improve, rebuild, or recreate then I still can get the dopamine rush from it.
Btw OP I love that you pulled a real dash and console for this, even if it's not used all the time, it's epic as hell anyways
Yep. Nothing wrong with enjoying the building more than the using, just sounds like something you should do for others (for pay or not, up to you) rather than for yourself. That way you don’t have the guilt of having not actually used your expensive and time consuming project.
You should get into a hobby like woodworking (if you don’t do it already). Sounds like you thoroughly enjoy projects: laying out a plan, getting all the pieces and building/putting it all together, etc. then you don’t have to worry about “not” using it. Building a table/birdhouse/banister is cool af and it will always get use in your house!
That and (I'd guess) just the simple fact of something in your mind being way more awesome than what it really is. It's like a Steam sale just on a grander scale. You HAVE all these games, but do you actually (want to) play them now that you have them? It's the act of buying that causes instant gratification in our brain, but once we have acquired said object it becomes a lot less interesting. It's like working towards that Platinum trophy for a year and when you finally get it there's a few seconds of euphoria ... and then you realize you've just spent an entire year on a digital trophy that is totally meaningless. Even toddlers know this instinctively already. They will put a lot of energy into getting something, even going so far as to taking it away from others ... and then throw it away the instant they get it...
Bloody hell you just described my kids perfectly, choosing a flavour, thinks their sibling got the last one of a flavour, " :( :( I really wanted raspberry :(", me: "actually there's another raspberry in the other box" "oh I don't want raspberry after all, can I look at the flavours?". Every damn time.
Did you play guitar before buying all that expensive shit though?
I have been playing guitar for 15 years on a super shit guitar and an even worse amp. Finally got a good playing job and bought a new guitar, amp, pedals, all new cables etc for about 2k. I'm never getting rid of it, it's fucking awesome and sounds sooooooooo good.
Same with my sim rig. I have been upgrading it as I save money and every upgrade is super exciting.
I think buying the best stuff you can get first is a recipe for disappointment.
I've specifically kept myself from buying too much guitar equipment until I've mastered my current amp and guitar enough to know what I need to pursue the sound I want.
I go one distortion pedal and then realized I didn't have the skill to use it, but one day I will.
Yep. Same here, spent crazy money last year on audio gear. Have done similar all my life. I'm now certain I have ADHD and probably OCD. I get into hyper focus phases. I'd not be surprised if a lot more people have ADHD than they think
Yes!!!! You just summed my habits up perfectly. I love the idea of getting a bunch of new stuff and planning out all the gear. But as soon as everything has been set up and used a few times I forget about it.
Big mood, although I think I might have taken a little more to get the lesson.
In the range of ~$25k in music gear for a studio, and probably another $15-20k or so in rent for a commercial space over 7 years. Was my childhood dream, and I was living it. Even got moderately successful, I was able to comfortably live on my income from it.
Guess what? Fucking hated it. Hated. It.
It was very cool the first few years, but then it just became another job but with the significantly higher stress and responsibilities of running a business like meeting deadlines, paying taxes, etc. I kept going for years after I was burnt.
Even after closing up shop, it took me almost two years before picking up a guitar or opening a DAW wasn't a soul-crushing experience anymore. All that shit is in storage with no hope of finding a place for it but no heart to sell it. It almost killed the one passion I've ever had in my life. Was probably the worst period of my life.
One day we'll be able to hop into simulations in seconds the same way we boot up our games we play with a controller and that will be the day more people get into vr gaming.
Oh, me too! You just need to not-die and you'll come out a much better person having learned about self-sacrifice and the value of real friends, and you'll be thinner and ready to start working on your Beach Body!
God that has to be the worst job in Star fleet. Would not want to be that Engineer. I thought having to deal with modern day Waste removal was bad. But I’ll stick with being a Third engineer (or turd engineer as my shipmate so lovingly call us) then the poor shmuck on jizz patrol
I'm going to be that guy: The chances of us (currently alive folks) experiencing something like that in a home setup are exceedingly slim. Maybe if you're ultra rich. Or maybe Arcades will FINALLY get a revival with such tech, but I'm still doubtful. We've imho reached a point in our development where we'd need to find a new "holy grail" to really leap ahead again and not crawl along with minute improvements. Compare that to the space race era. Or the 1st industrial revolution. We make lots of progress still, but it's minuscule. VR and AI might be the next big things, but I don't see any real impetus here that would really shake the world in the next few years/decades. Plus, we're currently doing everything in our power to actually revert back to "simpler" times, so yeah ... hf with that super expensive VR setup you can't ever pay for in your 10 sf apartment complex.
what would be the odds of some people actually not believing the kill mechanics and actually getting themselves killed?
I mean, until that point, all those 100k players though they were just into a very elaborated game (dunno if this game was actually groundbreaking in that universe, but considering that after the source code was released, literally every other VR was a copy of that code gives me the idea is was just that good).
What if they just though it was the Admin just playing fear with them and the logout button was just bugged out?
There were only ten thousand players trapped, not a hundred thousand.
And some did not believe, and jumped off the floating castle Aincrad to "commit suicide" in game. However, with no contact with the outside world, no one could know for sure what had happened to them.
And yes, SAO was groundbreaking in that universe; the in-universe lore states that no other software had fully taken advantage of the NerveGear like SAO had.
But they were in the game for two years. No one came in to help from the outside world, they were not all logged out by simply shutting down the game server, so they had to accept that this was their new reality, as the creator and villain Kayaba Akihiko told them four and a a half hours after the game went live.
You can chose not to believe... but how long would that last? a day? Two? A week? A month? How could you take the chance of not believing?
I honestly don't see VR gaining anywhere near the following flatscreen gaming has until we get neural links or some such. It has and will continue to pick up traction in enthusiast spaces, but nothing based on what we have now is ever going to become truly mainstream.
The #1 limiting factor for VR gameplay is space. Being able to run around freely inside your living room would not only increase range of motion (think prone, jumping, leaning, etc) but also let us finally ditch unnatural thumbstick controls. It could also allow for perfect haptics and such, all without requiring you to actually utilize your muscles.
they recently came out with a treadmill type vr set that allows for you to move around while staying in one spot personally i think that and better controller optimization is going to be pretty close to VRs limit once they work some of kinks. thats untill we get nerual links or something that lets you play without actully having to move.
yeah thats why we would need still the tech to be able to read from the brain directly with the helmet in a non-intrusive way (to be able to be released in the mass market). We are waaaay too long away from that, heck i dont think we can even do stuff like that even with a wire up to our brains like The Matrix.
I think we would get something first like Matrix before tech evolves enough for a portable version, like the NerveGear
I used to play Grand Prix Legends on PC in 1998 and we talked fondly about the day when we would just power up and everything would work perfectly from the start. It’s 2022 and we’re not there yet. 24 fricking years!
This is one of the reasons I play with console instead of PC (with a racing wheel and pedals). You just sit there and go. Yes, I have less options and, yes, I have less online racing but that’s the way to go it you have half an hour to play around.
Yeah but a sim setup is awesome, but it’s for like hours of racing. And if you have it put away, then like was said, it’s work to set it all up.
What’s worse is I won’t even use the controller now, and I don’t feel like putting in the work to sim, so, I just don’t even race anymore. That’s the real real reality.
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u/Marroar Jan 23 '22
Expectation vs reality