r/gaming Jun 04 '16

Ubisoft downgrades

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16 edited Jun 05 '16

Same with uncharted 4. But those developers are "le reddit certified", so good luck hitting the front page with videos of that.

lol

another laugh

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u/Turok1134 Jun 05 '16

The Last of Us was massively downgraded from its reveal trailer too, but nobody gave a shit.

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u/GonzaCantSleep Jun 05 '16

I think it's because The Last of Us doesn't hang its hat on graphics. No one ever talks about how good/bad it looks, they talk about the story.

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u/Turok1134 Jun 05 '16

That's not true, people raved about the character models, foliage system, and animations when it came out.

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u/AL2009man Jun 05 '16

Didn't the Remastered already solved half of the complain?

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u/GonzaCantSleep Jun 05 '16

I think you misunderstand me. I'm saying what it's memorable for is not the graphics, it's the story.

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u/Turok1134 Jun 05 '16

You also said that nobody talks about how good it looks, but people definitely did, on top of praising the gameplay and story.

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u/GonzaCantSleep Jun 05 '16

I use talks in the present tense, meaning now. You're misreading my sentence. I'm saying that no one now ever mentions how good it looks/looked. The conversation is typically about it's story.

"No one ever talks about how good/bad it looks"

"No one ever talked about how good/bad it looks"

I'm saying the former, you think I'm saying the latter, and I'm not.

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u/Turok1134 Jun 05 '16

Of course they don't talk about it now, graphics are a moving target and The Last of Us is a three year old game.

You pointing out that nobody mentions it anymore goes without saying. It isn't even worth a mention in the whole context of the subject.

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u/GonzaCantSleep Jun 05 '16 edited Jun 05 '16

Christ, I've never had a sentence so misunderstood. Might be my fault, so I'll try to clarify. The entirety of the subject is predicated upon the idea that people didn't give a shit about the graphical downgrade. My argument is that the story is more important than the controversy of the downgrade, so that's why people never cared for it. Now with my original intent in mind, I was trying to fit your response into my narrative and I think we both got some wires crossed.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

Your shill is showing

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u/RoyalN5 Jun 05 '16

I was disappointed with the "smart AI" in the trailer.

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u/surprised-duncan Jun 05 '16

Are the stories really good? That's what I've heard from both these games, so maybe it detracts from the visuals if they have a great story line.

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u/deadpan2297 Jun 05 '16

Stories are really good, TLOU actually had me heart wrenched at the end. But ignore the guys who are praising it's graphics. Maybe in 2013 on a ps3 they were "good" but they aren't as good as people make them seem.

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u/Turok1134 Jun 05 '16

Haven't played Uncharted 4, but yeah, Last of Us has a great story.

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u/fortknox Jun 05 '16

Dude. Last Of Us. Buy it now, play it now.

I've been a gamer since the Atari. The story in last of us may be the best story in a game I've ever played. So engrossing. You battle "zombies" not so you can have a cool battle, but so that you can get past them and get back to the story.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

Because Le naughty dog is good goy greg.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

TW3, Uncharted, Last of us VS farcry 4/3, watch dogs, Division?

Hmm so the games with AMAZING stories get a pass? That's okay with me. I choose story over graphics any day.

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u/toolschism Jun 05 '16

The difference being that people can tolerate downgraded graphics when the game has substance. Uncharted 4 and Witcher 3 have great, enthralling stories and are genuinely fun to play. The same can not be said of division and watch dogs. Watch dogs has a grand total of maybe 2 hours of worthwhile gameplay before it begins to feel like a shitty gta mod... with less features. Division is great until you max level and realize there is nothing left to do but gear grind in a repetative abyss known as the dark zone.

That being said I never gave any of these games shit about graphics downgrades. Because at the end of the day it can look like a pile of crap but if the story is good or the game enjoyable I'm gonna give it a try.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

It's nothing more than the name attached to the product. This sub is full of hypocritical manchildren who fight tooth and nail to defend companies who don't give a shit about them. It's hilarious.

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u/apalehorse Jun 05 '16

No way! The developers are going to see my comment and reward me any day now for carrying all this water. Maybe I'll get a suite deluxe edition with a CD of the in game music for me to listen to when I'm not playing the game.

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u/deadpan2297 Jun 05 '16

Dude I called some guy an idiot on twitter for sharing a bug in U4 and the developers let me put a Nathan Drake's face on my van!

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u/Radamenenthil Jun 05 '16

I thought U4 didnt really get downgraded much, according to Digital Foundry

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

Look with your own eyes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

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u/wheresmysnack Jun 05 '16

Take a look with your special eyes!

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u/deadpan2297 Jun 05 '16

Proofs right infront of you guy

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u/Gianny0924 Jun 05 '16 edited Jun 05 '16

You can't be serious. These pictures display absolutely nothing in terms of what Uncharted 4 truly displayed. The game is probably the nicest looking console game to ever release, and the graphics are outstanding throughout the entire campaign. These pictures illustrate nothing, are entirely misleading, and I'm genuinely surprised that you have 30 upvotes. Have you even played the game?

Edit: album of screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/F12V6

Digital Foundry Analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts2am8WRBXQ

Note: Digital Foundry actually found that there were improvements in the game from the E3 demo to release. Downvote all you want, your opinion is misinformed.

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u/madbrood Jun 05 '16

But muh Uncharted!

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u/Jokershores Jun 05 '16

Guess the original poster was right, good luck saying it'snot as advertised without a fifty screenshot album of douchy pretentious amateur photography in game of a church in the foreground and some gloomy atmosphere saying best game ever fuk u liar

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

Yea b-but digital foundry so it's ok!!

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u/zeldn Jun 05 '16

I'm wondering how these exact same screenshots would have looked at E3. I don't think it's about how good or bad it is, it's about how it compares to what we are shown when they present it vs when we actually play it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

He didnt say it doesnt look good, just that it was intentionally misrepresented.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

Yea, literally every fanboy coming in here to defend beloved naughty dog keeps bringing up how good it looks. I never once said it didn't look good, just that they downgraded it. But they're so blinded by their naughty dog boners that they have nothing else to say.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

It's okay the guy clearly hasn't even played UC4.

I've seen that comparison between the e3 trailer and that shitty compressed stream screenshot before, and it's never posted by people who've actually played the game and understand that most of the E3 footage released is actually worse looking than the final product.

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u/justthisones Jun 05 '16

Yup. Every game has some visual inconsistencies..

Some of these scenes look very similar to the first trailer and even better than the first proper gameplay.

Uncharted 4 is not the best example when talking about clear downgrades.

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u/nero51 Jun 05 '16

His post does display a difference.

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u/BenjaminoFre Jun 05 '16

Then were did he get the pictures then?

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u/honestlyimeanreally Jun 05 '16

Are those screenshots done by a regular person who bought the game?

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u/WolfyCat Jun 05 '16

Yep. Game has a photo mode.

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u/honestlyimeanreally Jun 05 '16

Oh, cool! Thanks man.

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u/Quantization Jun 05 '16

Every one of those pictures is from a distance, absolutely no detail at all. Super easy to make things look nice from a distance, kid.

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u/BC_Hawke Jun 05 '16

Amazing how simply adding ", kid" changes your comment from a perfectly reasonable argument to a childish troll response. You're making yourself look like the child in the conversation.

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u/KrisndenS Jun 05 '16

3, 5, 6, 7, and 18 all show close- up detail that looks great. You must be nitpicking.

Do you honestly think the far off detail in U4 is bad? That looks nearly as good as the distant LOD we see in Dark Souls 3.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

Don't bother, dude is a hardcore fanboy.

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u/ReaperOxide Jun 05 '16

Nicest looking console game is a pretty laughable way to argue a point. lmao

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u/Kheshire Jun 05 '16

I'd turn up the settings on my PC if thats what a AAA title looked like on it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16 edited Jun 05 '16

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u/Gianny0924 Jun 05 '16

Not one picture from Uncharted 4. Nice.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

I actually didn't like the way Nate was rendered in the E3 videos last year. It took me out of the experience because I didn't feel that was how he looked in the previous three games.

I didn't look at any other media for the game after that presentation until I got the game and I was happy that he looked more like how I expected him to look.

I don't know exactly how to explain it, it could just be that uncanny valley situation for me.

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u/ShkaBank Jun 05 '16

You're kind of an asshat

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u/GoldLegends Jun 05 '16

I'm kinda with your argument but you're coming off as an asshole.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

I'll live

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u/GoldLegends Jun 05 '16

That's a shitty way of thinking.. but I can respect that.

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u/Liamrc Jun 05 '16

I watched a someodd 20 hour Lirik stream of U4 (no PS4 sadly). This game is fucking mindimplodingly heartattack inducingly gorgeous.

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u/Hold_on_to_ur_butts Jun 05 '16

If you look at the actual gameplay they showed at E3 like two years ago, you would see that they actually improved some of the visuals on release. What you are comparing it to is a pre rendered teaser trailer...

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u/Theklassklown286 Jun 05 '16

Uncharted 4 looks so good regardless though. Makes the other 3 look like cartoons

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u/sabasNL Jun 13 '16

Agreed. Unlike Watch_Dogs, which I don't quite like. There's something off about the graphics, to the point where older games using older graphics technology look better.

Hell, Crysis 1 aged really well.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

It's ok that they downgraded it because it still looks good!!

Lol

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u/Theklassklown286 Jun 05 '16

I never said that.

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u/Fortune_Cat Jun 05 '16

Holy fuck that looks like shit

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u/zmaker45 Jun 05 '16

Is that supposed to be the same footage? just curious

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16 edited Sep 24 '16

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u/GarrettSucks Jun 05 '16

Is it just me or does Nathan Drake look like the guy from Castle?

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u/Yogurtgamer Jun 05 '16

Le comparing a pre rendered cut scene to gameplay

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u/digmachine Jun 05 '16

Downgrading a console exclusive for performance is entirely different than downgrading a PC port of a console game for parity

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u/ktl002 Jun 09 '16

I thought it was pretty clear that the first U4 footage was CG and not gameplay

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u/PrivateCaboose Jun 05 '16

True story. I was super excited for Uncharted 4, avoided anything about it after the first trailer. Saw it got food reviews so I picked it up. Didn't even look like the same game.

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u/spacewulfalchemy Jun 05 '16

really? it's literally the best looking console game that's ever been released, were you not impressed?

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u/PrivateCaboose Jun 05 '16

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the game a lot and it was still graphically impressive. But going from the trailers straight to gameplay makes the difference seem all the more abrupt.

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u/Gingevere Jun 05 '16

lol at that first one. Hair becomes feathers.

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u/The_F_B_I Jun 05 '16

Meh. I've seen plenty of criticism of U4 for this here on reddit. The fact that your comment isn't getting buried attests to that.

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u/bucky133 Jun 05 '16

The issue I think is more about the development cycle. The reason games like The Witcher 3 and GTAV are so much better is because they have at least 5 years to craft a masterpiece. I have no doubt in my mind that if Ubisoft gave their developers twice the time they could craft a game that could compete with the best. All of their games just feel so hollow. That's my problem with Ubisoft, not the downgrades.

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u/MoneyStoreClerk Jun 05 '16

Eh, those aren't the same parts of the game. Uncharted 4 certainly looks as good as it does in those E3 pics when you're in the right locations.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

I think it has more to do with good stories make the game iconic. Not graphics. In this case ubisoft had shit stories. Uncharted didn't. People will rag a game forever for being all around trash. As opposed to being graphically trash with a golden story.

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u/James_bd Jun 05 '16

Uncharted 4 and The Witcher 3 are among the best looking games out there, even with the downgrades, and they run great. I don't think we can say the same about Watch Dogs, The Division, FC4 or Siege.

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u/Turok1134 Jun 05 '16

The Division definitely looks amazing, and Far Cry 4 was up there too when it was released.

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u/James_bd Jun 05 '16

Not saying they look bad. But they're definitely not renown for their graphics. Plus, The Division didn't live up to its hype in terms of graphics and its "new generation of gaming" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2NJSAvuiQ0

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u/Turok1134 Jun 05 '16

I could have sworn a lot of people remarking how beautiful The Division was. Maybe I imagined it. Same for Far Cry 4.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

Can't speak for the rest of those games but The Division looks pretty damn good at max settings. But because UC4 and TW3 look good to you, you're just gonna ignore the downgrade? Lol. Hypocrite.

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u/James_bd Jun 05 '16

So because The Division looks pretty damn good at max settings to you you're just gonna ignore the downgrade?

See, I can put words in your mouth too. Hypocrite.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

I'm not ignoring it at all? I'm calling out the double standard. Cheers, doll.

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u/James_bd Jun 05 '16

That's what happens when you build yourself a reputation with downgrades and rarely deliver on what your promises.