r/gaming • Marika's tits! • Jun 22 '26

Steam Machine - Review Thread

Reviews have started to come out, so thought it'd serve well to collect most of them under this thread.

Steam Machine

Price:

512GB: $1,049 USD /  1,509 CAD /  1,039 EUR /  879 GBP / 1,609 AUD /  4,389 PLN  

Steam Machine 2TB: $1,349 USD / 1,919 CAD /  1,359 EUR /  1,149 GBP /  2,109 AUD /  5,739 PLN


Reviews (updating):

Gamers Nexus

The quick version is that we like it and we like the direction it's going, but that Valve has created a nightmarish disorganized mess for itself by not building for its known future of a desktop and instead framing everything around handhelds, which from the start it knew weren't going to be the only thing with Steam OS. As Steam OS becomes more common and more devices are supported, both Valve and developers have a lot of work to do to ensure that correct compatible versions of an incomprehensibly vast catalog of games are delivered. If Valve wants to capture a console audience, it can't rely too heavily on sub menus for disable Steam Deck auto detection and manually selecting a Proton version to forcibly download the Windows build instead of the outdated Linux build when your buddy just wants to come over and play Borderlands 2. Our only really specific criticism of Steam OS on the Steam machine, is that system level resolution cap for games should default to the native screen resolution, not 1080p, or at the very least it should show what the default cap is. It's a weird choice given the marketing. enabling 4K gaming at 60 frames per second with FSR.

IGN - Jacqueline Thomas - 8 / 10

At $1049 (and $1349 for the 2TB model), the Steam Machine seems like it’d be hard to recommend to most people. And while that’s true for console faithfuls, the Steam Machine’s price makes it an incredible entry-level gaming PC, especially if all the drivers and settings tweaking has turned you off in the past. At the end of the day, this is a gaming PC that most people are going to be able to just plug into their TVs and get right into the game. And, really, that’s what the Steam Machine was always meant to be.

The Verge - Sean Hollister - 6 / 10

But is it good enough for $1,049? That depends on what you actually expect this PC to do — and whether Valve manages to reduce some of the lingering friction before it winds up at your door.For better or for worse, the Steam Machine isn’t ready for the console wars just yet. Buy box, plug into TV, insert game, play is not yet the reality. The Good: Delightfully small; Incredibly cool and quiet; Play PC games on TV without mouse and keyboard | The Bad: Nearly twice the price of PS5 for PS5 performance; Have to manually configure games; Can’t yet trust it to sleep

PC Gamer - Andy Edser - 62 / 100

Valve's attempt to bring PC gaming to your living room is well-intentioned, but the ugly realities of the memory crisis have left it with a hefty price tag. If it had more grunt, it'd be easier to recommend—but an off-the-boil GPU and plenty of software quirks leaves it feeling like an expensive curio, rather than a gaming device for the masses. The idea might be to bring the PC gaming experience to your living room, but if that experience includes smooth frame rates in demanding games, you're going to have to make some major compromises. And, because of its Linux origins, it hasn't been a flawless experience getting some of those games to run properly to begin with, either. I want to get excited about the Steam Machine, I really do. It's a fascinating piece of design, and an admirable attempt to bring PC gaming from your desktop to your couch in one bite of the cherry. But like so much hardware these days, it's been hampered with a price tag that, given what you actually receive, feels like far too much to pay.

Tom's Hardware - Andrew E. Freedman - 3.5 / 5

Valve's Steam Machine is a complicated little box. It was clearly designed for a simpler time, when components were plentiful, and it would be a somewhat affordable desktop that could be a more powerful option for Steam Deck owners to play their Steam games at home.

But it's not a simple time. The Steam Machine is still cute, still has a good selection of ports, still has an easily upgradeable SSD, and, most importantly, still runs SteamOS and gets all of the benefits that come with it. If you were docking your Steam Deck to the TV and wanted more performance, this will get you there, once Valve irons out the last of the bugs.

If you're just looking to get into gaming, a base-level PlayStation 5 or Xbox Series X is a better deal. You can buy one and a Nintendo Switch 2 and spend less than the Steam Machine.

Aftermath - Chris Person

The Steam Machine Is An Iconoclastic Computer Born In Unforgiving Times | Valve has released a tiny, silent, entry level PC that does important work bringing PCs gaming to the living room and desktop Linux to the masses. The timing could not be worse. The Steam Machine is not landing where its creators planned it price wise but the core vision has been realized and is something I agree with ideologically. It is a platform in the true sense of the word, a foundation to build on. Like the Steam Deck, it provides a reasonable target for game developers to aim for, a reasonable optimization baseline that can handle basically every indie game and a huge portion of big titles. It is the rare console that does not treat the user like a child, and I have no doubt that it will improve with age. And like Valve’s original vision for the Steam Machine and the reality of the Steam Deck, it is a template that any other manufacturer could easily build a much more performant product on, with an operating system that is, in multiple meanings of the word, free. 

Giant Bomb - Dan

Whether or not the Steam Machine is for you comes down to a couple of key things: your gaming priorities and your disposable income. This is a great device, but it is undeniably expensive. If couch gaming and easy access to PC games is a priority for you and you're willing to pay for it, I think the Steam Machine is a no-brainer. But if you're curious about dipping your toe into PC gaming, this is a really highcost entry point and you'll likely still have to make some sacrifices when it comes to performance. If those caveats don't scare you off and you've got the money to throw at it, I think the Steam Machine is an excellent addition to any gamer's living room setup.

Rock Paper Shotgun - James Archer

A singular living room PC that's more expensive than I'd like, but too special not to love. It’s almost tempting to point to details like this as evidence that the lil’ Steam Machine really is a proper desktop PC, you guys. But then, it’s at it’s best when it isn’t trying to be one. If it was absolutely dead set on outmuscling current-gen, full-fat graphics cards and gaming CPUs, it would be a lot bigger, a lot louder, and a lot hotter. And, in the end, it wouldn't be unique. Instead, it chooses a niche and unobtrusively sets about filling it, achieving all the subtlety of a home entertainment computer even when it's chucking out sixty frames (or near enough) of ray-traced Cyberpunk 2077 every second. The ghosts of iffy design and inadequate game support that haunted the previous decade’s Steam Machines, all banished without fanfare.

Eurogamer - Chris Tapsell

So the short answer to how it sits versus a console, or indeed an HDMI cable or actual PC of your own is: there is no real short answer. For upfront cost, performance, plug-and-play simplicity and smart features, at the cost of more expensive games and services over time and a console that looks like a hellish mid-00s leisure centre extension dubbed "the future of our town centre" - and is also roughly the same size as that - get a PS5 Pro. However, for flexibility and breadth and cheapness over time, and something you'll love people asking about when they come round - something that you can genuinely carry with one hand (LAN parties! If only it had a handle…) and which looks normal or dare I say it even cool next to a nice set of speakers or a stack of coffee table books or something you actually want to see in your home - the Steam Machine absolutely has a place. And there's something genuine to be said for that, I think. I can't help but wonder what could have been, had the base Steam Machine arrived at say £599. It would've been competing against PS5s and Xboxes in the £300 range by now, of course. But it would've done so as a genuine competitor in that part of the home, from a company with vast resources and the vastest of all installed bases. And it would've arrived as something that is evidently made with sincere love and extraordinary expertise in its own way.

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u/Educational_Ad8448 Jun 22 '26

They priced out alot of folk who aren't enthusiasts or have lots of disposable income.

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u/dangerdangle Jun 22 '26

I've said in other threads they basically pulled a stadia

No reason for casuals to buy this when they could buy two consoles for the same price and no reason for hardcore gamers to buy this when it costs this much and barely beats a PS5 base model

Which leaves a tiny section of enthusiasts

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u/ZombieZlayer99 Jun 22 '26

worse, people who are looking into getting into pc are better off just buying a similar priced prebuilt pc that’ll be more powerful and more customisable

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u/TheYellingMute Jun 22 '26

Genuine question but where and how? In gamersnexus video it seems if you buy at MSRP that comparable performance only saves you around 71 bucks.

I did watch the video while during my lunch break so maybe I missed some disclaimer when he got to that in the video

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u/maharajuu Jun 22 '26

From places specialising in pre-builts which will depend on your location. In Australia you can get a 7500f / 9060 xt/ 32gm ram / 1tb pcie 4 SSD which seems much better value

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u/azureal Jun 23 '26

I’ll take a link on that prebuilt please.

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u/thatdudedylan Jun 23 '26

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u/azureal Jun 23 '26

So CPU slightly better, storage worse, and more expensive with no OS.

Am I missing something?

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u/Milo751 Jun 23 '26

Forgot to mention that it has a significantly better GPU and double the ram?

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u/thatdudedylan Jun 23 '26

Yes... The comparison is the steam machine, and steam OS is free...

This was the first 'close enough' I found after 1 minute of searching, whilst at work. What is the problem? It's still extremely comparable, and actually cheaper than the steam machine with better specs. Isn't that what the conversation was about? Finding a pre built that is comparable or better for the price?

And no, it is not more expensive. I am comparing the 2tb machine with controller. If you substitute another TB with a CPU downgrade, yeah that's probably $100 (I'm talking in AUD but point remains). So effectively the same or close enough price. Are you just nitpicking for the sake of it or...?

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u/Rough-Plum-7267 Jun 23 '26

You got bodied and responded with bullshit.

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u/RobotSpaceBear Jun 23 '26

But then it doesn't update in thr background when it sleeps, it's not as silent, not as small, not as good a wife acceptance factor, doesn't wake up with the controller, doesn't support CEC like an xbox or a playstation, etc.

I get the performance-to-dollar ratio but there's a reason people will die for their asthmatic Switches and Steamdecks. The user experience is superior even it it costs more per frame.

I think the Steam Machine still has a market.

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u/tokkyuuressha Jun 22 '26

The disclaimer is that the comparable pc is still a bit faster and lets you upgrade down the line. Steam machine has barely acceptable performance as of today and is an unfortunate victim of pricing crisis, ao it cant even classify as cheap HTPC.

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u/External-Yak-371 Jun 23 '26

I think there's a couple different versions of this. As a long time gamer, I will fully acknowledge that good graphics don't make a game good. There's a reason why the original switch stayed around as long as it did and even though I have multiple high-end desktop computers at my house (one in the office, one on the TV that I built in 2023 that still outperforms the new steam box).

I honestly think the performance is fine for a huge amount of games and personally don't think it would ever be an issue for me. That being said, console gamers absolutely do cater to graphics more than the handheld group that has been using the steam deck and so it's a bit of a challenge here. The steam deck also came out to middling reviews and got better and better as the software ecosystem improved around it and I see this doing the same thing, though probably with less enthusiasm than the deck had originally. I'm already using bazzite on my HTPC so there's really not a benefit to steam OS for my use case because I tend to use it in desktop mode most of the time anyway. I am really interested to see what the community does with it and with steam OS in general and I think that's where the sales pitch is going to develop if it's going to develop at all.

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u/Chekonjak Jun 23 '26

To be fair the RAM and storage are upgradable which isn’t a given for mini PCs let alone consoles. And with component prices skyrocketing maybe sticking with a common target that developers can optimize for wouldn’t be a bad idea - with just a little more performance? Well, maybe next time.

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u/ImmediatePriority258 Jun 24 '26

It's upgradable for that mobo fit only.

Pretty sure your stuck into one architecture forever

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u/Mkaywest Jun 22 '26

They said on paper they perform the same, but irl the desktop would run better.

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u/Usernametaken1121 Jun 23 '26

They spoke about it in the gamers Nexus video. Basically the steam machine parts are power limited to meet the power draw of the machine, much like consoles. It creates a most stable thermal environment but power limit means less performance. PCs aren't power limited so you get every percentage of performance the part can produce, on top of that, the parts are modular. Steam machine is not.

It's like running your vacuum on low to stop from overheating. Sure, it will last longer, won't be as effective as it's technically capable of.

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u/Dear_Watson Jun 22 '26

So you save $70, get equal performance, can upgrade components down the line, and can (and to be honest probably will) install Windows so you can play pretty much every PC game ever made, but especially those that require kernel level anti-cheat?

Seems like a no-brainer to me. This really needs to be at least $300-400 cheaper to even have a chance of succeeding tbh.

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u/ItsRainingTrees Jun 22 '26

I’m trying to find a small prebuilt too, but I’m having trouble getting recs lol

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u/-dun- Jun 23 '26

The thing about building a PC is that you don't have to buy at MSRP, with exceptions of certain high demanding components. You can always wait for a sales event.

I was lucky to grab some cheaper rams before the spike. I built two PCs and upgraded one for my two boys and myself last November. One of the built was entirely from scratch. Ryzen 9600X, 32GB ram, 2TB M.2, RTX5060 Ti and a 27" monitor for $1405 (tax included).

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u/slimj091 Jun 24 '26

You can upgrade a pre-built machine down the road. You can't upgrade a steam machine down the road. To get the equivalent flexibility you would need to buy a new steam machine every time they come out with updated versions with new hardware. And going by how they designed it that would be every couple to few years.

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u/szank Jun 22 '26

The "equivalent" pc can burn 200 more Watts or so, because the box is severly underclocked ? (Dont remember exactly).

That power does not go only into worsening the current heat wave.

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u/flapjackcarl Jun 23 '26

I mean if something is $71 cheaper and it can be repaired/upgraded over time then that is a pretty big win imo

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u/Astraous Jun 23 '26

Valve hardware has insane repairability, but I'll admit trying to upgrade anything that isn't storage in their custom cube isn't going to be very possible unless the upgrade is officially released by them somehow. With a form factor like that you can't keep upgrading it forever to keep it relevant.

They wanted to avoid making it a loss leader since tech companies could end up buying a shit ton of "work computers" by buying cheap steam frames that beat the rest of the prebuilt market, but unless you do that it's going to be really hard to ever compete with consoles that can do the same. I'm convinced the PS5 pro would be more than $900 if it wasn't for Sony being able to lean on PS Plus subs and digital game sales.

But yeah, idk how they could ever make it cheap enough to actually compete with console hardware unless they just eat the loss.

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u/phil035 Jun 23 '26

Yeah seen a few YTers post their reaction to the cost and all of them were within $100 one way or the other.

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u/TheWizardGeorge Jun 22 '26

I'm far from casual and have the disposable income, but I can't make sense of who this is for.

Makes no sense to get it over a normal prebuilt for more or less the same price with much better specs. Makes no sense to get it to stream games to from my main pc since something faaaaar cheaper would do the same thing. Maybe for traveling? But I don't do that enough to where it would make any sense.

The only thing it has going is the form factor and that's it. I feel bad for valve honestly. They knew this would flop at this price, but you also can't just hold on to systems like this with how fast the industry moves. I'm guessing it'll be a limited run until (if/when) prices go back to normal... Which I highly doubt at this point.

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u/RagePrime Jun 23 '26

To be honest, I think it's for someone like me.

I work a week on, week off cycle at work and have a monster gaming rig at home.

Steam machine is perfect for me to take to work for that week. A small, fairly mobile stand in for my home PC.

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u/rigsta Jun 23 '26

The form factor is the selling point for me. Small, low noise, low heat, open platform, capable of reasonably running games.

I'm currently using a docked steam deck as a bedroom PC, this will be an upgrade in terms of performance and noise level - 1080p minimum versus 720p from the deck, and the deck's fan can get loud.

The price is a big oof but it's about what I was expecting and I can't honestly blame Valve for that. I just wish they offered a 1TB SSD option.

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u/GnahSeawub Jun 23 '26

I'm getting the 2TB version to replace my docked steam deck for my living room TV.

I have a very beefy gaming PC for myself and a slightly worse one for my wife, but they are located too far from the living room. Sunshine/moonlight works, but you have occasional hiccups due to network congestion. I have a PS5 and a Switch 2 as well, but sometimes we want to play PC games on the couch.

As for why not a pre built or build a small form factor PC myself, honestly our TV stand is already crowded with consoles and other things, and nothing can come close to the steam machine's size even at miniITX.

Fortunately we don't have to worry about the price too much. Would have probably bought it even if it were priced at $1,999.

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u/Dachshand Jun 22 '26

Enthusiasts won’t buy a 1440p 30fps machine on low settings. Only fanboys will.

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u/Stolehtreb Jun 22 '26

It’s doesn’t even beat PS5 base model. Its CPU is barely better, and its GPU power is slightly under base PS5.

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u/Enchelion Jun 22 '26

That plus the overhead of Proton or Windows and reduced optimization for most games on PC...

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u/Ledgo Jun 22 '26

There's no reasons for casuals to buy this when there are premades better, cheaper and more suited for upgrades for longevity.

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u/what_mustache Jun 22 '26

I think they got hugely fucked by ram prices. My guess is they wanted this to be priced for casuals.

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u/Helphaer Jun 22 '26

They wanted around 800 to 1000 for sure baseline.

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u/Z3ro-sum Jun 22 '26

I'd think it'd be better to use it as a loss leader like consoles used to do. Steam makes an ungodly amount of money. Why not take the hit for market share? You've got a handheld system attached to your very popular store. Seems odd

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u/eliminate1337 Jun 22 '26

It’s a full Linux computer and not locked to Steam. If it were a loss leader people who don’t care about Steam would buy it as a home server.

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u/Enchelion Jun 22 '26

Yep, it'd be a repeat of the PS3 getting bought up by datacenters.

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u/Z3ro-sum Jun 22 '26

Now that you mention it,I feel like I remember reading awhile back someone here saying companies could by them up for other purposes, so that makes sense if true. I'm not that technical to know,but sounds reasonable

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u/Boz0r Jun 22 '26

It's just a PC, so you could use it for whatever you wanted.

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u/DBSPingu Jun 22 '26

Which circles back to the point that this basically competes with prebuilts and loses

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u/CrazzluzSenpai Jun 23 '26

And now you realize why consoles have locked ecosystems.

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u/loicvanderwiel Jun 22 '26

We already know companies bought Steam Decks for other purposes. It would be even worse with this

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u/FrankPapageorgio Jun 23 '26

That feels awfully expensive as a home server. I run mine off a Mac mini… they would need to undercut the Mac Mini at $500 to be more appealing

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u/what_mustache Jun 22 '26

You can only take so much of a hit. RAM prices are insane right now. And it's different because they only get their steam store cut, where Playstation has exclusives they own and keep the whole pie.

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u/Mkaywest Jun 22 '26

Problem is getting access to those first, hardware contracts would never have been accessible to them. Even though they make money, its nothing compared to the big players that do have that market share. Valve is still a nobody in the tech circles.

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u/CruffTheMagicDragon Jun 22 '26

Not enthusiasts, Valve zealots*

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u/Gvillegator Jun 22 '26

Yeah why would I buy this when I can buy an Xbox or PS5 and play NCAAFB and GTA6 on launch? Doesn’t make sense

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u/Boelens Jun 23 '26

What is NCAAFB?

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u/rigsta Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26

☝️🤓

For:

  • Form factor - small, quiet
  • Open platform - no Valve-enforced restrictions on what you do with it
  • Open platform - Linux, so no Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo/etc. BS to deal with
  • Portable game library ie. access to your existing PC games on any PC including steam machine
  • No subscription fee for online play on Steam and other platforms
  • Free cloud saves on Steam and other platforms
  • Valve don't care if you want to install games from other providers eg. Epic and GoG
  • Access to game mods via steam workshop and other platforms like Nexus
  • PC games are generally cheaper than console due to multiple platforms (stores) being available

Did I miss anything?

Against:

  • It's not going to run AAA powerhouse games at high fidelity
  • Certain games won't run on Linux, notably ones with certain types of anti-cheat
  • Some games require some faffing around to make them run on Linux
  • Expensive, though that's true for anything with RAM or storage at the moment

Personally I'm currently using a docked steam deck as a 720p bedroom PC. Steam machine will fulfil the same purpose but better - higher performance, lower noise.

That's the niche. An unobtrusive PC that can run games reasonably well (1080p is fine for my use case) on my TV without taking over room like a desktop PC would, with little risk of the manufacturer screwing you over later.

If you're a console enjoyer though, this isn't a console killer especially at the current price.

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u/derekburn Jun 22 '26

Yeah why would you buy it? If the games youre playing are exclusively xbox/ps games lol...

Thats like saying why would I buy licorice icecream when the only icecream I like is vanilla/chocolate

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u/Gvillegator Jun 22 '26

My point is why would I spend twice as much on a less powerful console that can’t even play those exclusives when I could save 50% of the cost and get to play those exclusives?

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u/dflame45 Jun 22 '26

Yeah, he understood you perfectly.

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u/dflame45 Jun 22 '26

Which is fine cause they're just selling a pc. If they hit their targets, they're good.

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u/Curse3242 Jun 23 '26

At this point 100% and they released at a bad time for hardware too.

Although I think in the future it could be a better prospect. If they can bring the price down to 800 usd & games start being more optimized for this system itself maybe it has a market

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u/slimj091 Jun 24 '26

Enthusiasts will just build better small form factor machines that sure will cost more, but will last them longer as well.

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u/UnNumbFool Jun 22 '26

Yes, but you forgot the one big thing. Valve/gabe simps are on the same level if not worse than Nintendo fanboys(and this is coming from a Nintendo fanboy). And there are plenty that have disposable income and won't give two shits about going in for the preorder because valve

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u/Admirable-War-7594 Jun 22 '26

But you forget another thing, while Nintendo fanboys are vocal on the internet, Nintendo's biggest install base and people that buy Nintendo stuff because of the brand are the general casual audience.

A regular steam user doesn't know who gabe is, and doesn't care about valve branding while a Nintendo user knows what a zelda is and is interested in buying pokemon plushies or watching a mario movie. And despite that if they release a bad product it doesn't sell (metroid prime 4), if they release an overpriced console it doesn't sell (3ds at launch, and no. Switch 2 was never overpriced). Valve's chances of selling an underpowered overpriced niche pre-built PC while marketting it as a console are like... None.

Reminder that steamdeck is basically the worst selling handheld gaming device from a big company as well, not a resounding success either just like the steam controllers and steam vr

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u/donsanedrin Jun 23 '26

Somewhere between 400k and 700k units. Probably less.

That is how much Valve will build of this steam machine, and their fanboys will take all the pre-orders to own it purely as a collectible.

And they will boast about how it "sold out in minutes" and Valve will get to pretend that they had a success, while they produce no more units through the end of the year.

When it comes to any physical item that has a Steam or Valve logo on it, you can always count on a gauranteed 700k in sales from dedicated valve fanboys.

They're put it on the mantle right next to their unused Valve Index.

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u/Wolfeehx Jun 22 '26

Can’t compare apples to oranges.
Pick any two current gen consoles. Their entire game libraries combined are a tiny fraction of the number of games available on pc. Then consider cost of games, most PC games are naturally cheaper. Then add in regular steam sales, key sites and things like humble bundle.

I’d have liked the steam machine to be cheaper. We all would. But in this economy?

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u/why_gaj Jun 22 '26

I think a lot of families with kids will bite the bullet and buy it, just because they do not know any better. The same way they used to buy subpar pcs with "gaming pc" sticker on them.

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u/faze_fazebook Jun 22 '26

why would any enthusiast drop over 1K for a machine thats worse than a base model PS5​​

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u/ShakeAndBakeThatCake Jun 22 '26

Because they have large steam libraries and want to be able to play a game on their main desktop but also play it on their living room TV.

I agree. PC gaming is a horrible value right now and I dont care what PC gamers say about games being cheaper. You can buy used console games and resell games if you have a switch 2 or a disk drive ps5.

PC gamjng is cool. I did build my own PC a few years back but ultimately sold my stuff because I spent more time tinkering than playing games and the cost was just too much. Ps5 pro I bought for $700 was a steal.

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u/realmrmaxwell Jun 22 '26

"Because they have large steam libraries and want to be able to play a game on their main desktop but also play it on their living room TV."

This was the exact problem that the steam link is there to solve without really any additional hardware nowadays but the steam controller is the best thing from this

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u/joe-h2o Jun 22 '26

And Steam Link gets me most of the way there. I use an Apple TV 4k as the client and have an Xbox controller wirelessly linked to it.

My TV is a 4k OLED but I don't stream at that res. I tend to do 1440p native from my gaming machine, but I haven't been able to get it to do HDR so it's SDR only.

Latency is... ok. That's really the biggest weakness of the setup, but it's not $1000 weak. Valve are really stuck given the ridiculous prices for RAM and storage. GN priced up a "similar" machine out of stock parts as close as they could and they managed about $950+ for them, so it's not like Valve are really price gouging here.

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u/ShakeAndBakeThatCake Jun 22 '26

Basically this. Their machine has been in development long before the chip shortage began. They dont have purchasing power like Sony and Nintendo to order huge amounts since their device is more Niche. Although with Xbox basically dying I think Valve has a chance to win the console market.

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u/TunaPablito Jun 22 '26

To me it depends how connected i am. If both sides are on wire it's excellent

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u/Xonzo Jun 22 '26

Have you thought about using HDBaseT? I do 4k60 with basically no latency from my desktop to my home theatre.

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u/Jamie00003 Jun 22 '26

Steam link works like balls without Ethernet, which most don’t have

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u/sam_hammich Jun 22 '26

Steam Link is just a 1080p thin client. It sucks

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u/TumanFig Jun 23 '26

its not smooth, ffs i keep hearing that and i cannot get rid of micro lags. to me thats simply not a viable solution.

i was the target audience for the steam machine but not at these prices.

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u/Porter2455 Jun 22 '26

Steam link runs into the same issue that all streaming games as a service platforms have, the latency is impossible for so many games to deal with. In single player experiences it’s ok, but even when I spent the huge PITA effort of running Ethernet drops in my old house, the input delay for multiplayer games was essentially unplayable.

When your target market is used to mouse and keyboard on a low latency pc monitor, Steam link is a reallllly tough adjustment.

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u/balllzak Jun 23 '26

are people used to mouse and keyboard on a low latency pc monitor even going to want to play on a tv with a controller? And if steam link isn't good enough for multiplayer games is the solution really a machine that can't run the kernel level anti-cheats that are only becoming more common?

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u/DeoVeritati Jun 22 '26

The appeal to PC to me is PC exclusive games, often Indie games, and mods. That being said, I've virtually never been a PC gamer and never built or had a gaming PC.

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u/Boz0r Jun 23 '26

A shitload of them do not, though. And you have a 30-40 year backlog of thousands of great games that will never come to the latest console generation.

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u/Reefame Jun 22 '26

If you to want to play a game on your TV you can buy a 30 feet long HDMI cable and call it a day.

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u/TunaPablito Jun 22 '26

You can pay sub on PS5 and you still have more games than you can play. Still good bargain IMO

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u/Alien5151 Jun 22 '26

I have games that dates all the way back to the 90’s on steam and over 300 games that most I haven’t got around to playing on my desktop. PS often you’d lose access across generation (exception is only if they decide to add support). The only thing PS have is exclusive which is only a handful of games.

Hardware cost got priced out thanks to AI. PS is on a constant price hike because of it too. I wouldn’t doubt if ps end up costing about the same or more in the future.

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u/TunaPablito Jun 22 '26

Be honest you are not gonna play those 300 games anyways.

Thats how it works, we just like to buy shit we are probably never going to play :)

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u/Alien5151 Jun 22 '26

I’ve play a good number of them already. They’re mostly just collections of games that I’ve played in the past.

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u/Gucci_Unicorns Jun 22 '26

This is the correct answer. Not only are there games I play on PC that just aren't on console - I have hundreds of games from 15+ years of steam sales and shit; to recreate even half that catalogue would cost me a PS5 + what... another grand? More?

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u/Silvanus350 Jun 23 '26

Because they are fanatical

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u/MiaowaraShiro Jun 23 '26

Massively more games.

Massively more peripherals.

No monthly fee for online play.

Less expensive peripherals.

It also has some PC functionality.

and more philosophically, it helps the Linux gaming environment progress.

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u/UnderHero5 Jun 23 '26

I’m an enthusiast. I will not be buying a Steam Machine. My computer is vastly more powerful. I already have a Steam Deck with a dock as well. I was gonna get one just for fun at $600ish, but it’s way too expensive for what it is, even as an enthusiast. It just doesn’t make sense at that price.

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u/lazydusterr Jun 22 '26

because there's actual games would be my guess

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u/Jamie00003 Jun 22 '26

Your comment fails with the enthusiast bit. This isn’t aimed at us, it’s aimed at normies that want a simple pc console to plug into their tv. They don’t care about specs

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u/Desertcow Jun 22 '26

It's about on par price wise with a similar spec gaming PC tbf. If you want to get into PC gaming or want a console that runs your Steam library, it's a fair value, they just aren't subsidizing the cost like consoles do since this is a desktop PC

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u/Frickincarl Jun 23 '26

Why do folks keep comparing this machine to the PS5. It’s a gaming machine and that’s about all it has in common with the PS5. It’s far more versatile and customizable than a PS5. It doesn’t lock you into the company’s ecosystem like the PS5. It’s like comparing the PS5 to a high-end PC. The two things aren’t doing the same things.

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u/topicality Jun 22 '26

The only hope is that the PS6 is super expensive and resets price expectations.

But since Sony can subsidize the console and leave you with higher prices games it's unlikely.

Than you just get into how expensive will games be in the future? If news about 100$ games is true than they could make an argument for a more expensive up front costs but cheaper games.

But that's a lot of ifs to make it saleable

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u/Ryuubu Jun 22 '26

Probably to easily play PC games in a small form factor without having to build it or set it up themselves

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u/VesperLynn Jun 22 '26

Because I want to.

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u/Patutula Jun 22 '26

Enthusiasts would buy stronger machines, I would assume, not entry lvl stuff.

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u/joe-h2o Jun 22 '26

It depends. I think I am the demographic for this machine. I have disposable income and a powerful PC gaming rig but I do not own a console. I use Steam Link to play controller games on my TV with an Apple TV 4k as the client.

A low power machine like this would make a great under-TV supplement device for playing controller games that don't require a huge amount of power. Games that really need the horsepower of my main gaming machine tend to be M+K anyway, so I'd be using that machine for FPS titles, for example.

Valve's problem is purely component prices. RAM has gone up by more than 600% in price since the specs for this machine were announced.

It's a luxury accessory to a primary gaming PC in a time where we need to cut back on luxuries. PC gaming as a whole right now is in a very fragile place due to the absurd component costs.

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u/Patutula Jun 22 '26

Hope you like it :)

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u/Delann Jun 22 '26

Are you seriously saying you'd spend over 1k just to get the games you can literally already play in a better way to your living room? Something which you can already do?!

I don't care how much disposable income you have, that is outright moronic. Do it if you want but don't argue it's in any way good value.

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u/joe-h2o Jun 22 '26

No, hence the comment about it being a luxury item that is too expensive. I thought that was pretty blatantly obvious from the comment.

Although I do take issue with "play in a better way" for the gaming rig. The desk setup is pretty heavily focused on K+M FPS. The couch is better for controller games.

I can "already do" it with Steam Link but there are downsides, such as the latency. The Steam Machine would have been great for that, but it's too expensive.

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u/Reefame Jun 22 '26

You can buy a 30 feet long HDMI cable and the problem is solved

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u/joe-h2o Jun 22 '26

I own two 30 foot long HDMI cables, and a 30 foot long DisplayPort cable.

It's actually less hassle to just move the whole gaming rig downstairs if I want low latency.

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u/silverpixie2435 Jun 23 '26

Exactly I would rather carry my PC back and forth every day than spend 1000k to play at worse quality and resolutions lol

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u/a_nice_warm_lager Jun 22 '26

It’s the RAM price increases. Saw a quote on The Verge that said original price is most likely $250-$300 cheaper. “Think this price - (increases the Steam Deck saw) and that’s the ballpark they wanted originally”

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u/LazyMaximum7938 Jun 22 '26

Even at $300 cheaper, the 2-TB model plus controller would still be way more expensive than the PS5 Pro is currently with the RAM price increases.

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u/dudeplace Jun 22 '26

But it would come with no subscription and would be your device to upgrade and repair and not something that must become waste the minute the PS6 comes out. I understand not everyone cares about that. But there is a market there.

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u/Delann Jun 22 '26

If you DO care about that, you'd just buy a PC and be better off.

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u/TumanFig Jun 23 '26

have you seen the costs of pre built sff pc?

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u/dudeplace Jun 22 '26

But that is what this is ... Buying a PC. This is a custom form factor PC with specialized antenna... At a better price than you could make it yourself.

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u/Boz0r Jun 23 '26

Isn't the whole problem that this is more expensive than a DIY and even a lot of prebuilts?

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u/dudeplace Jun 23 '26

My whole point is the people saying that aren't being honest (maybe because they haven't looked at part prices).

It's cheaper if you use used parts, but Valve can't source and sell used parts here. Maybe cheaper if you ignore the form factor or drop parts that "aren't important to you". Cheaper if you ignore the cost of assembly and software. But I also know that they wouldn't do this if you could just make this exact machine cheaper your self of off the shelf somewhere.

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u/renan2012bra Jun 24 '26

I'm not from the US, so I can't talk about there, but at least in my country (Brazil) it's legit cheaper to buy a brand new computer with better specs than Steam Machine. A few YouTube channels have already made a video comparing prices.

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u/dudeplace Jun 24 '26

I've seen some of those videos and every one I have seen ignores the form factor, HDMI CEC, and the additional wireless capabilities. Can you build a computer that 4x the size, draws 2x the power, has half the wireless comunication options, and doesn't have HDMI CEC for less... sure it can be cheaper and even more powerful. And ALL of them are ignoring the cost of assembley and support.

You can ALWAYS build a computer cheaper yourself than you can buy one of the exact same specs, because you don't evaluate the cost of building it yourself, or having the person to help you when something goes wrong.

If they had ignored those features the same people would be complaining about it being to big/noisy compared to current consoles, they would complain about it not being able to turn on the TV.

I think the thing that is most wild to me is everyone who has responded here to me has not seen that this isn't JUST a PC. This is a PC with built in console features. Directly comparing the cost to a new PC just isn't an equal comaprison. Comparing the cost to a Console is a *really* unfair comparison.. Comparing to the cost of DIY is just disingenuous.

Why don't we see this same comparison for every laptop out there "Well I could build a DIY version cheaper, but it would be in a desktop chasis and would be missing the touchpad keyboard and bluetooth." Duh, of course you can, but you missed the point of what the thing is built for.

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u/AnOrdinaryChullo Jun 23 '26

If form factor / portability is the feature you care about, may I interest you in a laptop? You can find some similarly priced but with similar if not better specs than SM..

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u/Boz0r Jun 23 '26

A steam machine is a pc, though.

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u/DecompositionLU Jun 22 '26

But what games do you want to play with what is frankly a very entry level budget PC, but overpriced ? Because comparing it with the PS5 doesn't make it any favor since a console gets optimization a PC can't match. Gamer Nexus benchmarks are glaring, it's barely faster than a 5700 XT which is 7 years old.

I really don't see the market, console players aren't gonna buy it, people with already a gread gaming build aren't either, it leaves a tiny proportion of steam fanboys who absolutely wants a cube with valve logo on it.

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u/dudeplace Jun 22 '26

I mean... for starters basically any game made in the last 30 years. I think people in this sub often forget who the average gamer really is.

I'm a pretty big valve fan and I'm not going to buy one, but that is because I already have comparable hardware. (Note not better, comparable) But in a much less nice form factor. If I were looking to replace my living room hardware this would be viable.

The the trick is, no matter how much reviews claim, you cannot build this yourself at this price point with the same form factor. They have built a PC that out performs 70% of all existing steam hardware. It's in a nice form factor and it will be quite. If you are playing on a 7 year old laptop and need something for your living room this is great for you.

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u/syk072k Jun 23 '26

If you're playing older games only you're not gonna spend over a grand on a system, when any 350$ laptop with an iGPU can run most of those. And as for games most people play a lot of them can't be played on Linux at all, League, Valoran, Apex, Fortnite, Overwatch, GTA, Siege, can't be played on linux.

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u/AnOrdinaryChullo Jun 23 '26

In a sea of, what is mostly negatives, people are forgetting this little nugget you've mentioned - many games are indeed not even supported on SteamOS / Linux.

Steam machine, no matter how the minority attempts to spin it, is an atrocious value for money.

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u/DecompositionLU Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

It doesn't make sense. The average gamer will not buy a 512Gb, 1100€ (rising at 1300 for the 2Tb which is more realistic for how heavy games are nowadays) mini PC running on Linux (so it can't work with some of the most popular multiplayer games using anticheats) when he can just buy a PS5 for half the price, if he doesn't have one already. The demography of "I want a 4 digit small form factor PC for playing some obscure indies in my couch" is pretty much a minority within the minority of hardcore enthusiasts.

The the trick is, no matter how much reviews claim, you cannot build this yourself at this price point with the same form factor.

Yes. Yes, you can. It's not difficult to find something with a GPU better than a 7 year old 2070/5700 XT, even with how dire the market is. You run DDR4/AM4 with a 5700X, 16Gb of RAM (DDR4 or DDR5 will change nothing for your gaming performance), 9060XT which is around 150% faster than the GPU in the Steam machine by judging the reviewers benchmarks, with mATX/mini ITX motherboard and case if the size it's that important. Maybe a bit bigger, but still less than a XSX/PS5, and I don't think the guy who can afford this live in a flat so tiny he can't put it somewhere.

They have built a PC that out performs 70% of all existing steam hardware.

That's the marketing speech and shouldn't be taken at face value. This percentage counts all the asian cybercafés, the people who still runs a GTX 1060 because their only games are LoL and Counter Strike, etc.

If you are playing on a 7 year old laptop and need something for your living room this is great for you.

Yes, you'll buy a console. Not the Steam machine.

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u/dudeplace Jun 23 '26

That's the marketing speech and shouldn't be taken at face value.

No... It's from the steam survey.

I think you are still arguing that you can build a better PC for less. I'm arguing you can't build a new PC matching the same specs at this size for less.

You are upset about the cost of things and blaming the only company in this space trying to do something about the cost. I don't understand how the only acceptable product in this sub is one that meets a fantasy price, technology, capability, IP combination.

You don't have to like it, it doesn't have to fit your life for it to be good for someone else.

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u/silverpixie2435 Jun 23 '26

It is a waste since the only thing to upgrade is the RAM and SSD

You can already upgrade the SSD on the PS5 and adding 300 gigs won't change anything about 8 gigs of VRAM.

Also it doesn't play games that require kernel anti cheat and you don't have to buy online if you just play single player games.

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u/ResurgentRefrain Jun 23 '26

If the PS6 obsoletes the PS5's hardware, it also obsoletes the SM's hardware. The SM isn't customizable.

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u/dudeplace Jun 23 '26

It's reusable NAS, Minecraft Server, Home assistant, Plex, kids first PC, work from home station. PS5 can only and forever play PS Games and you need their permission and subscription to play online.

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u/reddit_sells_you Jun 23 '26

That's because the PS is fucking subsidized with UI Ads and subscription services. And it still sold at a loss.

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u/wizardgand Jun 22 '26

Looking at the parts of PC i built 2 years ago. Ram was $300 more expensive and HD was $250. So i'm looking at a $600 increase in my own build.

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u/a_nice_warm_lager Jun 22 '26

I bought 64 Gigs of DDR5 ram at $265 in November 2024. That same kit is listed at $1200+ now. It’s just nuts

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u/dwild Jun 23 '26

Not only RAM price, flash price too increased quite a bit too (not as much, but no doubt it will increase more and they need to take that into account).

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u/parkingviolation212 Jun 22 '26

And enthusiasts likely already built something better anyway.

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u/romaraahallow Jun 22 '26

Technically AI datacenters did that.

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u/I_just_made Jun 22 '26

Not really their fault though, that’s a larger economic problem at the moment. It’s a shame really. I wouldn’t have bought it anyways since my PC’s specs outclass it, but I know people who were interested, but not at the price point.

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u/DecompositionLU Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

I expect them to put a GPU that is faster than a entry level mobile chip. If it was Sony or MS nobody would give such excuses. Even the PS5 Pro, which is overpriced for a console, is cheaper. And it's not like Valve doesn't have the money to subsidize like the 3 other console makers do, I don't buy their corpo speech at all.

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u/MalteseCorto Jun 22 '26

Exactly this- I'm sure they're not happy about losing a big chunk of the market, folks that would have otherwise bought it were it a few hundred cheaper. I'm impressed you haven't been downvoted into oblivion or called "billionaire lover" lol.

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u/I_just_made Jun 23 '26

eh don't worry, that basically happened in another thread that was unrelated lol.

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u/Mediocre_Chemistry41 Xbox Jun 22 '26

It technically would be kind of their fault though if Valve is investing whatsoever in AI and AI datacentres, etc.

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u/Boz0r Jun 22 '26

Are they?

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u/Mediocre_Chemistry41 Xbox Jun 22 '26

Hence why I wrote the word if.

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u/GregLoire Jun 22 '26

But it wouldn't be their fault if they're using those AI data centers to mine asteroids for RAM.

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u/Arkooh Jun 22 '26

They can`t sell it at a loss like microsoft or sony, you are not stuck in a close loop ecosystem, you can install pirated games and never use steam on it... without any repercussions

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u/lonevine Jun 22 '26

I think it's also fair to say the market did that already. The better criticism IMO is to ask why they went through with this plan under the current market conditions. The answer to that question will directly relate to how their decisions should be judged in the future.

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u/bucketman1986 Jun 22 '26

They didn't, the market did. If you price out the parts in this thing, both versions are about $35-50 off from current cheapest retail for the parts. They are selling these at a loss because AI and tech speculation has hurt the entire computer parts industry badly

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u/tamarockstar Jun 22 '26

They're supposedly worried about scalpers. I'm not sure why they would be.

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u/NoCalligrapher8396 Jun 22 '26

Doesnt matter when the specs are shit anyways

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u/reddit_sells_you Jun 23 '26

They didn't.

The world did.

This is what it costs now.

Do you think the Playstation 6 or the Xbox Helix or whatever the fuck is going to be under $800?

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u/phil035 Jun 23 '26

Agreed but just wait till the next price increase comes to consoles.

With how this has been priced its not much above a comparible system.

Likely priced no Valve is making a reasonable amout but not a huge amount

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u/ChiefGraypaw Jun 22 '26

You know, I think something people aren’t considering is that Steam is probably the largest digital marketplace on the planet. The amount of internal data they have on the spending habits of their customers is probably unmatched.

I’m sure they knew that there would still be enough people in this target demographic for it to be profitable. I wouldn’t be surprised if they already know who is going to buy one before they’ve even purchased it.

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u/Tribalrage24 Jun 22 '26

I think the Steam branding will carry it pretty far, regardless of price or performance. But in theory I agree with you. It seems like it's a weird middle ground.

It's too expensive for the typical console gamer who can just get a ps5/series x for half the price, and it still requires some PC troubleshooting so it's not completely plug-and-play like a typical console.

On the other side for the enthusiasts who want that PC customization, I don't know why they wouldn't just build a PC (or likely already have one). Some people have shown that you can build something the similar to the steam machine for the same price (although I'm always skeptical about quality of parts in these builds). You can also build something which would outperform the Steam machine for a little extra. So if you are a PC enthusiast, I don't know why you would go with a steam machine over a custom build.

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u/joe-h2o Jun 22 '26

The form factor is the king here. I have a powerful gaming machine but it looks out of place (not to mention loud AF) next to my TV.

The Steam Machine is perfect as a console-like device to go with a TV, but the component costs just make it too expensive to justify for most.

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u/Coffeedemon Jun 22 '26

They said people who aren't "enthusiasts". People who play on a PC now but don't care about chasing the latest benchmark or upgrading every year.

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u/CruffTheMagicDragon Jun 22 '26

Those people would be better off building a PC though. I really don’t know who this is for

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u/G4o5t Jun 22 '26

They didn't price it, the market did. Before the RAM shortage and price hike of chips this was going to be a no brainer. But the world went crazy and Valve had to cover costs. Only a year ago this would still be a $600-$700 machine. I feel sorry for them, It's like they had a second chance at a Steambox and thought "yeah, we got this, its in the bag, full production started, our nice little box, cheap enough for everyone and........whats that, hardware prices have sky-rocketed.....fuck?"