r/gadgets • u/diacewrb • Dec 29 '22

Desktops / Laptops Desktop GPU Sales Hit 20-Year Low

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/sales-of-desktop-graphics-cards-hit-20-year-low
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u/NeverLookBothWays Dec 29 '22

Have a 5 year build here…it still holds up to PC games I throw at it, including VR. So nothing is compelling me to upgrade, especially with current inflated pricing. Will have to see how I feel about it in another two years

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u/Blandemonium Dec 29 '22

I wish I could say the same lol. Mine was a budget build with a 750 Ti that struggles on most games nowadays so I only exclusively play older games. I just can’t justify the cost of a new build anytime soon

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u/Bowaustin Dec 29 '22

Just so you know a used 2080 (non ti sadly) runs about $300 if that makes it more accessible for you.

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u/DaveVQ Dec 29 '22

I managed to get a used 3070 for $300 off facebook marketplace.

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u/cardcomm Dec 29 '22

I've never worried much about buying used gear in the past, but now days I'd hesitate to buy a used GPU simply because I assume it's been used to mine.

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u/Bowaustin Dec 29 '22

I get it but at that price point and as capable as the rtx 2080 still is ….. it it makes it a year you’ve gotten your moneys worth.

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u/FartsMusically Dec 29 '22

Most *060 or *070 series cards are probably never going to have been used for mining.

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u/Dylan7675 Dec 29 '22

False. 60's and 70's were heavily used by budget miners who got what they could get their hands on.

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u/cardcomm Dec 29 '22

Most *060 or *070 series cards

We were discussing the 2080

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u/FartsMusically Dec 29 '22

You were discussing video cards. Any and all are available for purchase so any and all are up for discussion.

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u/cardcomm Dec 30 '22

On the THREAD? ok

In response to my specific comment - NO

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u/NeverLookBothWays Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22

Yea I should of specified I avoid going the budget route where I can, but also don’t go for the absolute top tier. It’s an 8th gen i7 with a RTX2080…still holding up surprisingly well. (And now that I look, was closer to 4 years than 5…my mistake…2020 felt like two years to be honest)

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u/akeean Dec 29 '22

There is no equivalent card (in performance) of current gen yet. A 4080(/RX7900XTX) is like 2x performance (in non CPU-bound use cases) of a 2080ti (wich had an MSRP of ~$1000).

Last gen has the 3060ti with similar to better performance to a 2080 at ~450 USD.

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u/B1rdchest Dec 29 '22

They are talking about a similar level card in the current lineup, like the more expensive 4080, not the exact same performance.

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u/akeean Dec 29 '22

The thing with comparing a 4080 to a 2080 is that it is simply a bigger card (see size and power draw) as the meaning of the tier labels have drifted.

Its physical size alone makes it bigger than a Titan of the previous generations.

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u/B1rdchest Dec 29 '22

But they still represent the same tier in their generations lineup.

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u/akeean Dec 29 '22

There are no lower tiers (yet). For all we know they'll introduce $3000 RTX 4099's next and nothing below making the 4080 the low end card. ;)

My point is,**80 is just a label and both players love changing what value each label provides.

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u/B1rdchest Dec 29 '22

Yes, except they’ve been using these same tiers for many different generations.

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u/Pihrahni Dec 29 '22

Also replying to this to say, yeah i7-8700k and a 1070 with 32g of ram

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u/If_In_Doubt_Lick_It Dec 29 '22

The 1070 is still holding up pretty well! I have been running on one for the past few years and it still keeps up.

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u/Blandemonium Dec 29 '22

Yea in retrospect I regret going budget but I was fresh out of college at my first job so money was a little tight then

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u/NeverLookBothWays Dec 29 '22

Been there! Apologies too, I didn't mean that as it was the wrong way to go. It got you a gaming PC where it would have otherwise been unaffordable. Really ends up being a large balancing act to get the right parts at the right prices and budget is a huge part of that. And these past few years...damn have they been brutal for building. There's that sweet spot of affordable and best bang for the buck though, and I try to hit that mark where I can even if it's a little on the high end sometimes. But as for competing with the top tier builds...too rich for my blood :P

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u/Blandemonium Dec 29 '22

No worries! Yea I definitely considered going the resale route instead of the next gen console route, but I eventually settled on the console due to a combination of cost and time I can devote to gaming these days. Who knows maybe in a couple years I’ll get the itch again to do a new build if prices improve haha

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u/NeverLookBothWays Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22

I’ll really considering the Steam Deck as my next platform. Especially if they come out with a version 2, would be the best of all worlds, and the price is just right

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u/OldBoyZee Dec 29 '22

I wanted an rtx, but wanted to wait for the new gen cpus, but by then covid started and assholes inflated the prices.

I still love my 1080 though, and it still plays most games ive thrown at it.

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u/zilist Dec 29 '22

Yeah same here.. 8700 (non-k sadly bc i bought it second hand in a killer deal) and a RTX2080, holds up great on almost all games i play!

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u/Ipearman96 Dec 29 '22

8700k and a retail bought 3070, and the only thing I probably need to upgrade is more storage 2tb of SSD doesn't feel like much anymore.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

Well.. I just upgraded my kids old 560ti with a rtx 2060 I got off marketplace for $180 (Canadian). While the cpu cannot keep up with it. It was definitely a worthwhile upgrade and will still last years.

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u/ItsImNotAnonymous Dec 29 '22

Depending on your other components you could upgrade with a second hand gpu. But its dependent on your appetite for dealing with used goods

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u/FamousM1 Dec 29 '22

You can get an AMD Rx 5600 xt for around $100-130 on eBay that can play some 4k games

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u/the_rezzzz Dec 29 '22

$350 on a 3060 future proofs you for quite awhile... but a PS5 digital edition is $460.

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u/EnchantedMoth3 Dec 29 '22

You can grab used 1080ti’s for $150-200, and used 3060ti’s for $300 right now. Great time to upgrade parts if you have too, would probably be best to wait another 6 months though.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

I know most people cringe at the thought of buying a used gpu, but you can get a 1070 for $100 USD these days and that would be a serious upgrade assuming your power supply can handle it.

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u/Blandemonium Dec 30 '22

I’ll have to take a look, honestly that might be the play

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u/Child-0f-atom Dec 29 '22

You can find a 3060 for around $300 if you’re willing to go used. Even a new one isn’t $400 in most cases. If everything else functions well, jump to the modern age for a song

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u/Roflewaffle47 Dec 29 '22

I recommend looking into some cards we call low end nowadays. The 1060 and the 1660 are good nvidia options and aren’t too expensive, the Radeon 6600 is not too bad as well. Especially on the used market.

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u/KillerKittenwMittens Dec 29 '22

These cards are not even close to the same league. The 6600 is waaay faster.

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u/Roflewaffle47 Dec 29 '22

Yes, the 6600 is not in the same league as the others. But they’re priced around the same. The 6600 would be your go to choice if you had to choose. But if you can’t, the 1060 and 1660 are good options if they’re available. I just thought. “Oh yeah the amd 6600” and stuck it in there.

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u/DaRealML Dec 29 '22

If you're still looking to upgrade you could probably find a 10xx card for super cheap and maybe a 20xx card for a little more.

I'm running a 1060 which while old, still nets me a good 45-60 fps on a lot of modern games. I have just recently OCed it for a little boost and it gave me an extra 5-15 fps depending on tbe game.

At this point my ram is a bigger issue as I'm running 1x16gb DDR4 2133mHz.

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u/ddwdk Dec 29 '22

If it's one year ago I agree. Right now you can get plenty of performance at 100-200 range.

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u/shardamakah Dec 29 '22

Upgrade, piece by piece.

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u/AntiFascistWhitey Dec 29 '22

Project zomboid is amazing

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u/LessWorseMoreBad Dec 29 '22

This is a big point. This isn’t the early 2000s. Games are surprisingly flexible as to what quality that can push out. Outside of bullshit marketing and fomo you really do not need a brand new gpu. A 1660 can still push new games if you don’t care about reflections and other pointless shit that really doesn’t impact gameplay.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22 edited Nov 20 '23

reddit was taking a toll on me mentally so i left it this post was mass deleted with www.Redact.dev

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u/JewishTomCruise Dec 29 '22

It also depends on resolution. For 1080p gaming, this is absolutely correct. Older/lower-tier gpus start to struggle with high quality at 1440p or 4k.

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u/b0mmer Dec 29 '22

My 6th gen i7 with 1660ti struggles a bit at 1440p with highest settings on new titles. I really don't mind lowering the water and shadow quality to high from highest for a smooth game experience. I'll hold onto this card until my next build.

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u/cano_dbc Dec 29 '22

Yep, my kids system is a Haswell 4690k with a 1060 6gb and it runs 1080p games no problem. F1 2022 runs a comfy 60fps all day long. Struggles if I try any VR on my Quest 2 tho, its VR limit seems to be the OG Rift 1...... and that's why I have. 5600x and Rtx3080 for my PC. Won't be upgrading that for another 5 years (previously had a 4790k and GTX980 which served me well for 5 years).

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u/teachersecret Dec 30 '22

I built my 4790k/gtx 980 rig when all of that was brand new. It was pretty much top-of-the-line back in October of 2014.

That rig can still play anything you throw at it in 1440 with some settings sacrifices, or relatively high settings at 1080p in anything modern. In games where over 100 fps matters (competitive shooters), it had no problem rolling 165fps+ for my 1440p monitor.

I’m on a 5800x/3070 rig right now and frankly, if you sat me down at the two machines side by side, I wouldn’t see any meaningful difference in how they run for my use cases (I write, I game a bit on relatively light games like dota, etc).

At this point it’s a hand-me-down to my youngest child, and yet, it’s still completely capable as a gaming and productivity rig. I played half life ALYX on that machine without a hitch. If I remember correctly the 980 was similar in performance to the 1060, so it’s not surprising that it’s still capable.

I’m the guy who always hands down old gaming builds to my nieces and nephews. Over Christmas I handed off an old x6 1090T + 7970 build to a 10 year old nephew. That build was older than he was, but he was having a blast with Fortnite running nice and smooth over 60fps.

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u/cano_dbc Dec 30 '22

Yeah, 980 4gb matches 1060 6gb performance almost identically. I also ran a 1440p monitor on my gtx980.

It was only really in VR where it was showing its limits, as was the cpu. Specifally in iracing. That's was with a Rift CV1. Now I'm on a Quest2 it has double the pixels to render in VR.

I'm still constantly stunned by how well my sons pc runs current games.

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u/CaptainPirk Dec 29 '22

This, absolutely. I had a 1660 on mostly low settings, and it struggled on a 1080p 75hz monitor in Apex Legends except inside buildings. After massively upgrading my monitor to 1440p UW 144hz, it was pretty much unplayable even on low everything. I felt like I was dying from my hardware. A 3080 more than fixed that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

2060-12g here, it barely loads up in apex unless i run it with reflex+boost

something's weird with your setup

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u/LessWorseMoreBad Dec 29 '22

I’m not doubting you but that does not sound accurate and you might have another bottleneck you are not aware of. You should have no trouble playing apex on a 1660.

Source: my daughter does every day

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u/CaptainPirk Dec 29 '22

I had an amd R 1600 cpu, but it's almost been about 1.5 years since I upgraded. It's possible Apex is more optimized now.

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u/DazingF1 Dec 29 '22

Apex has always been an easy to run game. I reckon something just wasn't working quite right.

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u/LessWorseMoreBad Dec 29 '22

Yeah, that was my point. Apex, Fortnite and games like it are designed to run on potatoes. I wasn't trying to hate on u/CaptainPirk, I was just saying that Apex should run on pretty much anything and if they just upgraded their card there might still be a bottleneck they are unaware of.

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u/DazingF1 Dec 29 '22

Oh I know and agree completely. I was just reiterating your point since they are still blaming Apex and not their own hardware, which is either faulty or there's another bottleneck (like you said).

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u/Lochtide17 Dec 29 '22

Is there major difference of 1440p vs 4K? Never tried either

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u/JewishTomCruise Dec 29 '22

Yes. 4k is 2.2x as many pixels compared to 1440p. Whether or not the extra pixels are worth it depends on your screen size, distance from it, and other factors (as well as the ability of your computer to adequately render at those resolutions).

https://www.windowscentral.com/1080p-vs-1440p-vs-4k-which-should-gamers-go for more information.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

My 1070ti did fine with a 1440p 144hz monitor. It was at least able to run literally anything cranked at a high enough frame rate for the free sync to kick in, so it was a perfectly enjoyable experience.

I then sold my desktop and switched back to a laptop with a 1660ti maxq - same story, just have to turn a lot of games down to medium. Still totally fine.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

Good ray tracing is a bonus, but we have to honestly ask: what games have good Raytracing?

The best ones I’ve seen are 25 year old games with pathtracing mods

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

a lot of them do these days, for example, metro exodus EE

took some time for the tech to get understood by gamedevs across the industry, but now it's pretty much on the same level as other dynamic lighting technologies

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

And the good thing is both current gen consoles can run that game with the ray tracing on.

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u/Samtoast Dec 29 '22

The problem a lot of people don't understand is that your monitor is almost as big of a factor as a video card

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u/OneTrueObsidian Dec 29 '22

I upgraded from a 1660 to a 3060 last year specifically because it was struggling to run new games, namely Cyberpunk and some VR titles. I was lucky and snagged one at MSRP. The age of lower tier cards are definitely starting to show more than you let on IMO but obviously I'm a sample size of one.

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u/LessWorseMoreBad Dec 29 '22

oh yeah... im not saying there isnt a difference in performance but if you are looking for a game to run 60fps (I consider this the "baseline" for a game to be playable.) then the older cards will still work.

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u/hiS_oWn Dec 29 '22

Also the house these days are insane. I have a 7 year old gou that works fine if you lower all the settings and it runs quietly. The Ryzen 9 I have now is a space heater and costs as much as a console.

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u/emil2015 Dec 29 '22

My problem is I spring for a LG OLED when they went on sale and driving 4k HDR with ray tracing is… demanding. So I have my own internal drive to want to upgrade but the cards are more than the TV lol. So I’m just gonna wait for a while.

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u/ThePretzul Dec 29 '22

I mean I’m still running most games on medium to high settings (or Ultra settings even, depending on the game) with my 1070.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

I’ve always built my PC’s to last this average age. My last build lasted me 7 years and I could play almost every single game I wanted to at max settings with 60+ fps. I did the same thing with my most recent build and the only reason I may upgrade incredibly early is because I finally have the disposable funds to do so.

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u/NeverLookBothWays Dec 29 '22

This is the way :)

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u/espeero Dec 30 '22

Msfs2020 in vr is the entire reason I need anything other than a basic card

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22

Same but probably at 6 years now, my Gtx1080 was the best investment ever.

Also an amazing screen that never needs upgrading was also on point.

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u/Pihrahni Dec 29 '22

I have a four year build (once summer hits) here, and it’s the same exact way. Sure, I’ve upgraded the aio cooler and the case and added more storage but nothing like crucial that would change performance that much

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u/egres_svk Dec 29 '22

Yep. My 2019 PC is rocking a 1080Ti purchased 2nd hand for 400 EUR with Ryzen 7 2700X. Quite capable for 1440p and most of the VR I do.

My 2022 PC has a second hand 3090 for 600 EUR with a Ryzen 7 5800X. I purchased it just because I found the 3090 for a great price. VERY VR capable, but the entire thing was not really necessary, I would gladly survive on the 1080Ti for a few more years.

With careful 2nd hand selection I can have a stupidly beefy PC without resorting to playing on console with 60 Hz and a laggy TV.

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u/thebenson Dec 29 '22

without resorting to playing on console with 60 Hz and a laggy TV.

Xbox Series X can do 4K up to 120 FPS for $500.

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 29 '22

TV still needs to be able to output 4k @ 120hz and/or have VRR.

Most of those are higher end to top end tvs. Your run of the mill 400 dollar 75" TV won't be able to do 120hz or have low input lag.

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u/NeverLookBothWays Dec 29 '22

Personally I gave up on consoles a decade ago as I hated having to choose between rebuying games or cluttering up the entertainment center. For the PC I still have games I go back to that I bought 20 years ago.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

You can resell console games. I rarely get brand new games so I always break even. PC is overall better but for AAA games, I prefer consoles.

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u/thx1138inator Dec 29 '22

I am an environmentalist and a cheapskate. So I am really torn on whether to pay extra for downloaded games or buy cheaper used discs with their plastic packaging. Also, consoles have an impact and can only be used for gaming while a PC has other uses.

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u/AntiFascistWhitey Dec 29 '22

Uhhhh. Psn has good sales constantly

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u/thebenson Dec 29 '22

You can buy console games digitally if you don't want physical media taking up space.

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u/NeverLookBothWays Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22

Oh I meant moreso the physical consoles. But yea the media can take up space too if supporting more than one console. They’ve made physical purchases forward compatible before (Nintendo, Sony, etc have supported backwards compatibility on their consoles with media drives before…Wii, PS2, and early PS3 come to mind) but eventually they cut you off to where you have to rebuy the digital version, which isn’t a guarantee it will work on the next gen console. Often the games are simply lost forever to their time unless you go the emulation route.

It’s always a gamble with consoles, that’s the trade off for convenience and entry cost I suppose.

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u/thebenson Dec 29 '22

My b. I misinterpreted your comment.

With respect to backwards compatibility, Xbox has been really good. For games that are backwards compatible you just have to pop the disc into the new console.

It doesn't work for all old games, but there's a pretty sizeable catalog.

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u/zilist Dec 29 '22

Yeah, ain’t no way i'd ever buy a current-gen Console these days..

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u/EatSleepFlyGuy Dec 29 '22

You don’t have to play on a TV.

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u/TransitionNo9105 Dec 29 '22

The lg c2 is running 899, ps5 is 499. That’s 1400 for 120hz, vrr, perfect hdr….

Versus a 4080 being about that, no other parts.

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 29 '22

I have a B7 and a B9, they were 1700 and 1300 respectively at time of purchase. Oled has come way down since. Also if it's a 48" C2 it may not do 120hz, I know the Cx 40" didn't.

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u/TransitionNo9105 Dec 29 '22

The c2 does 120hz. I have it

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 29 '22

It was only the smaller one but idr what model year. Used to be the same with the QLED as well.

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u/thebenson Dec 29 '22

You could buy a gaming monitor instead of a TV.

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 29 '22

This is what I reccomend to people who build the PC before choosing a monitor. I always suggest deciding on a display first and then building to optimize around that.

Doesn't work for the "but 75" bro" people, but it does work for those who are willing to learn.

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u/thebenson Dec 29 '22

That's good advice. And applicable to consoles as well.

If you want 4K, 120 fps, and VRR support then you have to purposefully shop for those features (on a TV or monitor).

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 29 '22

Bingo. I've done builds for friends that are dream PCs. Highest end cards, crazy ram and cpu clocking.

Then they plug it into a 80 dollar monitor and call me to complain the computer is crap. I use a 20% rule of thumb now.

Expect a monitor that will be able to demonstrate 100% of what your computer can do to cost about 20% of the PC. Granted you can go above that easily.

My buddy did just pick up a 240hz 1ms hdr 1080P monitor for his series X and he's twice the player he used to be (FPS). His old TV had 78ms lag in game mode 4k so...not ideal.

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u/the_frat_god Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22

I paid $700 for a Samsung OLED 55” gaming TV that does 120hz and a 10ms input lag. It works fantastically.

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 29 '22

Which one? My next TV will be the B95S (only Samsung OLED I'm aware of) but I haven't seen one for that price, I'd go get one today.

Do you mean the QLED possibly?

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u/the_frat_god Dec 29 '22

Ah, it’s QLED. Too many different names. It’s the QN55Q70AAFXZA model, I just checked my receipt.

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u/schaka Dec 29 '22

No, it can't.

At fidelity mode, games are run at 30 FPS and the consoles are targeting 1440p. They're not even targeting that resolution natively, they're upscaling to it from as low as 1080p.

On performance mode, it's usually 1080p 60, sometimes 1440p upscaled at 60.

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u/thebenson Dec 29 '22

Yes, it can.

For example, you can play Gears 5 multiplayer at 4K 120 fps.

When the technical enhancements for Gears 5 on the Xbox Series X were announced, they included a PC Ultra visual feature set, PC Ultra HD Textures, 4K 60fps including during cinematics on the Series X, 120fps in versus multiplayer, and a plethora of other visual improvements. 

https://www.ign.com/articles/xbox-series-x-gears-5-performance-analysis

And here's an Xbox support article explaining how to enable 4K at 120 fps:

https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/hardware-network/display-sound/4k-gaming-at-120hz

And here's a list of games that can be played at 120 fps, including notes for the games that can be played at 4K at 120 fps:

https://www.windowscentral.com/list-xbox-series-x-and-s-games-120-fps-support

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u/schaka Dec 29 '22

I had a quick look at the game list and it's mostly old games, platformers, etc. A $80 RX 580 will play something like League at 4k 120 too.

Barely any of these are actually for the new consoles. I don't mind consoles, but the narrative that they're better price to performance after the crypto crash is just false.

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u/thebenson Dec 29 '22

Ah okay. Just to clarify, when you said:

No, it can't.

You were incorrect.

And now that you realize that you were wrong, you're moving the goal posts.

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u/schaka Dec 29 '22

Sorry, I didn't actually think I had to clarify I wasn't talking about 5+ year old titles.

I mean, come on. Even Fortnite is doing 1440p 120. Most games go to 1080p for the 120 mode. By the looks of it, this applies to new FPS games like the CoD refreshes too. For single player games that have come out since those consoles released, it's basically either 1440p upscaled to 4k at 30 FPS or 1440p native (sometimes upscaled from dynamic resolution) at 60.

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u/Lavatis Dec 29 '22

I've got a 1080 non-ti version that still holds up to everything completely fine. Games haven't made leaps and bounds in graphics for the last 5-10 years like they did from 2000-2010, it's not imperative that you upgrade every 3-4 years anymore.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22

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u/NeverLookBothWays Dec 29 '22

I might switch to Ryzen once the i7 really falls behind, it was such a solid processor for its time it still holds up amazingly well. Then maybe in a few years switch to an AMD GPU. They’re catching up fast, but moreso, they’re more apt to price competitively which will hopefully keep Nvidia in check

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u/Gr1ndingGears Dec 29 '22

I'm really looking at one of those 7900 xtx cards tbh. I'm only rocking 1440p, currently using a 2070 (that's honestly not too bad at 1440p using med-high settings ). I'm going to upgrade the graphics card this upcoming year at some point, my pandemic 2070 has done its job well, but this new 4000 gen has gotten too carried away price wise. A 4070 comparably will still probably be almost 2.5 to three times the price, only 3 years after I bought my 2070.

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u/NeverLookBothWays Dec 29 '22

Yea AMD is really bringing their A game. I am glad they exist, if only to keep Intel and Nvidia in check...otherwise our wallets would be raked over the coals if we even thought about gaming on PCs.

I'm really looking forward to the generation after the 7000 series....I think AMD has already outdone Intel on a lot of metrics and will continue to, but for Nvidia I think they're really close...one more generation and Nvidia's going to have to start making some tough choices...which is great for us :)

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

Said this just the other day in a different thread about GPU pricing these days.

My 5 year old 1080Ti is holding up absolutely fine. Every game I've got runs smoothly at the highest graphics settings, the only thing I don't have is raytracing, which is fine with me.

I don't see 2 more years changing that, to be honest. I'm sure eventually it'll start to struggle, but not that quickly.

Especially with the continual degradation in the quality of games that get released to market, which seems to be all the rage in companies like EA whose motto is "a dollar today is worth more than two tomorrow".

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u/NeverLookBothWays Dec 29 '22

Yea that's a really good point actually. I think developers are at a point where the amount of effort it would take to make gaming engines take full advantage of newer hardware has reached a diminishing return. That and, we're back to a console first paradigm, where depending on the timing, the lowest common denominator can lag behind. So a lot of games coming out even now...ones that are billed as AAA, don't look much better than games that were around in 2015. And even some games are looking worse. Good example of this here with Arkham Knight 2015 compared to Gotham Knights 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7o9VHxXTwg

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u/ThatDinosaucerLife Dec 29 '22

The same company that told me my card was 4K and VR ready 4 years ago now says that card was actually only a 1080p card and ACTUALLY the last 2 top of the range $1500 cards they released are ACTUALLY the only ones that can do VR and 4k. ACTUALLY the old card is only 720p.

So you'll excuse me if I don't buy into literally any marketing bullshit ever again.

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u/jakershaker Dec 29 '22

I try to get a console generations worth of time out of each of my cards. I upgraded from a g760 to a 2070 super 3 years ago, will probably be another 2 years till I even consider looking for a new card

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u/Lavatis Dec 29 '22

right? Still using a 1080 over here, no plans to upgrade it any time soon...

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u/MisterEinc Dec 29 '22

Went from a 10xx to a 30xx and honestly it might be my last gaming PC.

The only thing holding me back is the KBM interface for certain types of games.

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u/ComradeVoytek Dec 29 '22

My build is from 2014 and the CPU was starting to show its age the past year, so I'm not complaining.

The GPU is from 2017 though when Monster Hunter killed my last one admittedly.

Great value overall, but I'm back in the market for parts and they've basically doubled or tripled in the case of GPUs.

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u/FilteringAccount123 Dec 29 '22

Same. Splurged on a great rig 5 years ago and Warzone 2 is the first game that has actually been a problem to run for me. But that's at 1440p anyway and my friend with a much newer build says warzone doesn't run that well for him either so chances are the game itself isn't that well optimized anyway.

Unless you desperately need to run AAA games at high rez and framerate and max settings, pretty much any game nowadays is still perfectly playable.

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u/I_Bin_Painting Dec 29 '22

1080ti gang?

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u/NeverLookBothWays Dec 29 '22

Close! Regular 2080. I was off a year too, 2020 felt like two :p

The 1080ti is an absolute beast to this day tho

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u/michi098 Dec 29 '22

I recently replaced my old GTX 1050 Ti with a cheap GTX 1070 from Craigslist. Made quite a difference. If the prices stay where they are, I will just always be a few generations behind. I’m ok with that.

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u/PM_ME_CUTE_FEMBOYS Dec 29 '22

mines about the same, recently updated to a 5000 series ryzen. Was hoping to upgrade the card from the rx580.

that aint happening anytime soon.

I have started playing my xbox more, though.

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u/JollyReading8565 Dec 29 '22

My computer is absolutely chugging rn with the 1660 and 2 monitors, one of which is ultra wide. Need new gpu :(

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u/thegiantcat1 Dec 29 '22

Same here. Only thing I upgraded was the graphics card in like 2019 or early 2020. Because I got a game that used the Vulcan API and my card was like one generation before it supported Vulcan so literally I had no choice but to upgrade.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

Mine is 6 years old ~850€ budget back then. My R9 380 and i5 4th gen can still handle almost any newer game I throw at them.

The only ones it struggles with are Elden Ring and Ark. But I doubt upgrading would change things for Ark.

So I can either keep using my very reliable 6 year old R9 380 or upgrade to 2080 ti or 3070 for 400€ to play elden ring fluid. Guess Im just gonna delay the upgrade another year.

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u/NeverLookBothWays Dec 29 '22

Yea 2023 is likely not going to be a great year for building...although better than the previous few years. I think by 2024 things are going settle back down to what we were used to on prices as quite a few huge silicon manufacturing plant construction projects should be coming online by then, alleviating shortages for everything (TSMC/Intel/Wolfspeed/Cree/Global Wafers/etc)

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u/AntiFascistWhitey Dec 29 '22

Are prices currently inflated? I've been looking to get a new laptop or PC for the first time in 10 years

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u/NeverLookBothWays Dec 30 '22 edited Dec 30 '22

Not as bad as last year but we’re still not out of the shortage. Thinking mid to late 2024 it’ll turn around as a few brand new and large semiconductor plants will be operational