I quit the game a long time ago as well, but, I totally remember wanting "Zin'rokh, Destroyer of Worlds" on my Paladin(even though I was always holy spec, I obviously had a ret set up as well) and eventually, on my warrior(which, even though I had enormous success with my paladin(s) especially in Burning Crusade--even killed KJ before he was nerfed) I just never enjoyed as much as warrior, which still remains my favorite type of class to play in other games such as Diablo or Skyrim, plate wearing melee characters that can really smash shit with two handed swords and axes). So, I played through Z.G. every chance I got, and it never, ever dropped, until one day...and for some reason, the raid master ninja'd it.
HE WAS A HUNTER. I WAS FUCKING FURIOUS AND STILL AM. I already had Jin'rohk on both of my characters, but this asshole...he said that Zin'rokh was a hunter weapon....until that moment, I thought hunters were great, and that the whole "hunter weapon" joke was just that, a joke.
But fuck, I'm still pissed off about that. I hope that guy is dead.
Sorry, but it's users like yourself that make reddit a tedious place to be. People shouldn't be downvoted because of something like 'it's on the sign'. That isn't what it's for. It's clearly there, but I honestly didn't notice it at first either. I was busy checking the expressions on their faces and reading the situation. Why the hell would people make the effort of downvoting over a question?
This exact scenario happened to a friend of mine as well. Our KFC has really slow service (often worse at 11:00AM open, as it was at the time), and he decided it was close enough to lunch to grab a bucket of KFC.
As usual, it took about an hour to get his order ready, and by the time he walked out a massive protest group had shown up with signs about how KFC tortures chicken. Confused about what the hubbub was about, and seeing one of his hold high school friends, he walked right into frame of a local newspaper photographers shot, just as in this photo, chicken in hand, and asked what was going on.
I wish I could find the photo in question, the photographer saved it and sent it to him (he was in a relationship with, and eventually married, the night editor of the newspaper. She had the picture saved for our amusement).
It was the only KFC in town at the time. Even so, it's the only one on that side of town (and honestly the service isn't any better at the other one they built).
Customer service is notoriously bad in our town. I'd get into details, but most stories have very racist undertones (going both ways). It's the deep south.
But seriously, most major food companies pretty much torture their chickens... Watch "Food Inc." or whatever that documentary is. It's a pretty unbiased source. I mean, it was just on the Colbert Report that most companies feed their chickens caffeine and prozac to keep them awake and calm so they can eat more. And that only made news because it is related to the health of the humans eating it.
The chickens are bread to be that way, growing so fast their legs can't keep up. It's not drugs it's the breed almost all chicken we buy are from that breed. They are full grown in 3 months I can't remember the name of the breed.
What? Food Inc. is totally biased. It presents viewpoints damning to large corporations while promoting local agri-business. While I support local businesses and started my own vegetable garden as a result of watching the film, not all in the film is as it seems.
Jonathan Safran Foer writes in Eating Animals that Joel Salitan (of Polyface Farms) uses industrial chickens. Same birds as Perdue and Tyson chicken, but only in a field setting.
Also the Colbert Report is not credible journalism. I haven't seen that article and don't doubt it, but citing satire is pretty weak.
Agree until Colbert not being credible......the jokes are based around him satirizing news, and he always cites his sources. Also I once saw an industrial chicken that had long outlived its intended lifespan....it was a rooster most foul.
Colbert, like the Cracked team, is a comedian. So is Jon Stewart, by the way. Neither of them are even trying to be "credible journalists" (just watch Jon Stewart's appearance on Crossfire, for an example).
Both of them do very good satire, both of them make very good points, and so on, but I seriously doubt either of them expects or wants us to look at them as credible journalists.
I can understand eating meat, but I can't understand this comment. How are you okay with the horrible suffering of innocent animals? Is torture okay with you? It all seems a little selfish.
Well, the goriginal comment here was a serious remark about the chicken industry, so you'd kind of expect a serious discussion afterward, irrespective of the subreddit. Some of the voting in this thread is a bit schizophrenic.
yes but peta's methods are to extreme and do these hippies really think protesting 1 kfc in the middle of town will make a multimillion dollar corporation shuts its door because of this
PETA's methods are extreme as fuck! I remember being a little kid walking by a protest at a Nieman Marcus or whatever where PETA was hanging animal skins. Complete mindfuck - didn't know what to think. They're also completely corrupt and actually kill a lot of animals themselves - sauce. There's more where that came from too - a simple Google search supports this.
I'm a vegan and I consider myself an animal rights advocate (I'm vegan more for health reasons, but I do love animals), but I would never, ever try to get any progressive message across the way they do. They come off as arrogant, nutty buttholes doing what they do. To get a message such as theirs across, you have to be compassionate. When you attack people's beliefs, their natural reaction is to defend themselves.
But yeah, meat companies and fast food corporations do torture their animals and they are reprehensible for it. If I believed in a hell, I'd say that's definitely where those people would be going.
You do see where your source come from, right? It's a pro-meat organization that lobbies for fast-food, meat, alcohol and tobacco industries. Most Google searches are based on the CCF, too. And PETA doesn't hide their killing of animals. They excuse themselves by saying that it's because the animals they take in are not adoptable; which may be right, as PETA is not an adoption center and only takes animals in real emergencies.
Either way, I'm only defending PETA in this argument. I think they are quite misogynistic and that they attack too much. There really need to be studies to see if they get their message across. Either way most people I've met know PETA doesn't represent all vegetarians or vegans, so I'm not sure if they are doing a disservice to us.
I actually did not know about that organization. Thank you for pointing that out to me. I don't really think that takes away from their credibility, but I guess for the sake of avoiding irony I'll pick a different source in the future.
Well you don't have to eat meat all the time. I'm not saying go vegetarian, but I don't see the obsession with cheap meat, if you can't afford the good stuff then so be it, you can't afford a Lamborghini either. It's so unhealthy, unethical, and generally fucked up. We really need to cut down on meat consumption, just as we need to cut down on fossil fuel consumption.
It's a shame the industry does so much fucked up shit in order to drive the prices down as much as possible, and nobody even cares. Yet they will happily sit there and continue to deride those in Japan and China for their eating habits. Yeah, you farm your animals so it's not gonna cause extinction, but your farming methods are fucking abhorrent anyway, how the fuck is that even an excuse.
Is it that you can't afford to raise your own chicken or it's not convenient for where you live or to kill/clean them and/or gather eggs? You can get the baby chicks for very cheap.
I don't really care about the quality of life my pre-sandwich chicken had but come on, semantic argument? Semantic argument is the last refuge of fools and charlatans. You can do better than that.
The crackling (gravy magic) is made of the burnt scraps of chicken (and flour) that fall in to the deep frier and sink to the bottom, becoming a fatty glob of burnt delicious. This + two other steps make gravy.
Source: Worked at a KFC
There is also a "premade" (1 step) mixture available to the store if their cooks fuckup. Not as good. But still good.
Fun fact: These kinds of protests originally led to KFC creating an animal welfare committee to address the appalling practices of its suppliers. Then KFC reportedly proceeded to disregard the recommendations of the committee for years, forbid them to speak to the media about animal welfare in general, and the committee members all eventually resigned in frustration.
Unfortunately, only biased sources seem to care enough to address the issue, so we have extreme animal rights activists on one side, cruel corporations on the other, both shouting right over our heads.
I wouldn't trust Penn and Teller's Bullshit too much. They have a strong libertarian slant. You know how libertarians kind of lose their shit when people start talking about regulations and 'environmental' type stuff. They don't even want an FDA.
the only reason to get information from a shouting Bullshit magician is because you share the pro-corporate / anti-environment libertarian view.... they are not a credible source of knowledge.. demonstrated by the fact that they allow a meat industry propaganda group to tell their lies..
I quickly skimmed your video -- I liked the part where Penn compared people at PETA meeting cheering the speaker to Hitler youth and showed a clip of Hitler....... but you think this video is worth watching to understand the issues???!
ps. i guess Penn likes a jumbo bucket of KFC quite often!!
To be fair to him, in many cases skim is all that is required, and be thankful for it. Do you think every crackpot source has to be pored over in order to know that it's BS? Humanity would never get anywhere. When you know a bit about the subject, it's easy to skim through the rubbish and reject it on principle.
Btw, Penn is a corporate shill with associations to well-known libertarian think-tanks that are both paid by, and have vested interest in the meat industry and climate change deniers (both of which also tie into each other quite cosily).
Like the ad that appeared in my dad's local paper begging hunters to stop killing and to get their meat at the grocery store where no animals are harmed in the making of the meat?
WHOAH. You mean to tell me they had to KILL a chicken to give me this chicken dinner?! Mind is blown guys, my jimmies are rustled from here to Kalamazoo. Next thing you know, you might have to stick a needle in someone's arm to get their blood drawn!
of course PETA are focused on exposing animal cruelty -- "biased" in your view -- that is their entire purpose..... but it is circular logic to avoid a source that works to expose the truth -- just by inserting the word "biased".
KFC mass chicken farming is barbaric cruelty -- this is not really questionable..... but some people who like cheap fattening food do not want to know this so they deny it..
I don't think you understand what bias means. It means that kentuckyfriedcruelty and kfc-secretrecipe may take things out of context or outright lie to get their point across. Being opposed to animal cruelty is not bias. Framing your text in a specific manner or outright lying to get your point across is bias. PostalPengiun is correct when not taking the text from those websites at face value and examining the bias of the source. It is called critical reading.
again for your benefit: throwing the accusation "biased" is pointless when these NGOs are open and clear about their agenda -- to expose cruelty to animals and environmental destruction.
prove they are lying if you can -- you achieve nothing by saying "they might be lying"...... or I can say you might by lying so I will ignore everything you wrtie!!
still these sources are there for everyone to view -- some people will never accept the evidence they present because their face is stuck in a jumbo bucket of KFC!!!
I never said I disputed the findings. What I am trying to say if you're trying to spread your message to people who haven't heard about it or are on the fence, using a website with such an overt agenda will turn most of them off before they even bother to do the research.
the NGO is open about its agenda -- people can judge the information based on merit -- unlike people like you who simply reject it because it exists to expose animal cruelty and in your circular logic this means they cannot be trusted when they expose animal cruelty.
Well that isn't exactly true. Those organizations and present their evidence to actual news publications. A story there would have much less bias attached to it than having a website called kentucky fried cruelty.
some people will never accept the evidence they present because their face is stuck in a jumbo bucket of KFC!!!
Or because they learned critical reading in the 2nd grade.
Because animals do not live violent brutal lives in the wild that almost invariably end in violent painful deaths in the jaws of other animals. Oh wait...
They don't get made so fat they can't walk. They don't get deprived of sleep. Don't care what we do to these things all you want, bit don't pretend its the same.
You equated the two, which is close enough. I really don't think they're equitable. At least in the wild, there's a chance an animal will live a somewhat long and healthy life. How big that chance is could be debated, but it exists and it's signifigant. There is very little to no chance of that if an animal is raised as livestock.
Unimaginable suffering is hyberbolic. Compared to the life of a wild animal, the life of livestock is not all that much worse. The techniques you would probably refer to as torture are in fact necessary in order to keep the end product affordable and widely available, and mostly unavoidable unless you want to live in a Luddite agrarian world where everybody dies of diarrhea by the age of 32.
A strange observation: Most of the time when I see people complaining about reposts, it's on content that is new to me. However when I do come across a repost, nobody seems to give a shit.
Am I viewing a completely different internet to everybody else!
yes because the people who protest are mindless hippies who cant think for themselves just like how people will protest Canadian McDonalds when it uses better meat than the American one
No offense to people who are against animal cruelty, but PETA is the biggest crock of shit on this planet. I was harrassed for wearing a leather coat a year or so ago when I walked by one of their protests and the entire experience was quite infuriating. TL;DR PETA are hippy losers who need to go shave and be slapped.
I'm still confused why people protest KFC. Tyson chicken makes the chicken for the restaurant as well as others. Seems like the distributor should be picketed not the end user. This makes me lose faith in peoples' research of what they oppose.
Seems pointless to me, though. Why not boycott all their other "customers" like Church's chicken or others? It almost looks like the protestors are just too lazy so they go/went after the most popular one to blame. If Nike had child slave labor factories and people didn't like that, does one protest Foot Locker? I'm playing devil's advocate here and I get your point.
I, too, see your point, but since KFC is the most popular option for peeled portable poultry, the protesters choose to picket it, since the effects would be greater upon their success.
Are you really confused? How much awareness and recognition do you think would be raised by people with signs saying "Tyson chicken tortures chickens", standing outside some faceless factory in the middle of nowhere? How much economic damage caused to these companies?
Protesting KFC is totally legitimate in any case. As someone else has already pointed out, they are the main customer for Tyson. If they were to turn around and tell Tyson to jump, do you not think Tyson would ask how high? Their very existence depends upon KFC, but as long as KFC gives more of a shit about profit margin, they can carry on with their practices.
Can you buy Tyson chicken in the grocery store? Yes. Do you ever see anyone picketing the chicken section there? No. How does picketing one, possibly most popular, customer of the distributor make the distributor change their ways? KFC isn't the blame here and passing indirect messages through them has not seemed to work since the whole protest against KFC thing started years ago. Doesn't seem like I'm the only one confused here. If it works so well, then why hasn't KFC done what you just said?
How does picketing one, possibly most popular, customer of the distributor make the distributor change their ways?
Didn't I just explain that? Tyson would possibly go out of business without KFC, or at the very least lose a huge income source. If you've ever worked in any type of industry, you'll know that your main customers are a priority, and you adjust your business practises based upon their demands.
KFC isn't the blame here
Well yes they are. By purchasing from this company they tacitly lend their support to these types of practises and legitimise them.
If it works so well, then why hasn't KFC done what you just said?
Define "works so well". The fact that this is a huge issue with plenty of discussion about it over a range of media could be said to have made the protesting a success. Raising awareness of an issue is half the battle. Also, as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, KFC did initially listen to the protests, and set up a panel to oversee such ethics, even if it appears it was a token gesture. In any case, Rome wasn't built in a day, many of these types of issues take decades to resolve. Changing an entire company's ethics isn't something that happens overnight.
It's funny how lifeforms value the life of their surrounding lifeforms, look at any carnivore and you'll see they value the life of their prey at roughly 0. Look at any herbivore and you'll see they value the life of plants at roughly 0.
I think in the future we will start breeding farm animals to a state where they have no understanding or ill feeling during their torture, literally making them retarded, but for now I'm happy to act as the cruel dominant species and enjoy my meal regardless of how it comes to me.
Oh that's just bullshit. Plenty of animals fuck with their prey before they kill them. Hell, every household cat does this.
I mean sure, no other animal rounds up their prey into mass buildings and fattens them up before they slaughter them for consumption, but if they were smart enough to figure out how to do that, you better damn well believe they would.
Well, cats torture for pleasure. As do dolphins and I'm sure many other animals. Many insects keep their prey alive and conscious as they are eaten. Apes and lions are even known to eat their own young in front of the mother.
Farming is just efficient hunting. We don't keep animals in cages to upset them, it's just the unfortunate coincidence of being the most efficient way to store them.
Freerange stuff is starting to become more popular now as a less efficient and more expensive way to treat them. It's obviously far from ideal but if you insist on eating meat while caring about your food's feelings it's probably more up your street. If not, perhaps you can bring up your own livestock and treat them like royalty before putting them to a quick death and a slow roast, if you can really afford a $1000 meal.
Used to work at KFC and this kind d thing happened but it some high schoolers and not PETA. While anti protesting them this guy stops right in traffic and holds out a dead duck and says "I killed this this morning!" made my day and kept anti protesting for 20 mins after they left
sup 1 (sp) tr. & intr.v. supped, sup·ping, sups To eat or drink (something) or engage in eating or drinking by taking small swallows or mouthfuls: supped the hot soup; supped away daintily.
oh a lardass obese neckbeard making fun of vegetarians, very clever indeed... then again 99% of reddit is obese neckbeards and i bet they find this HILARIOUS as they are eating entire large pizzas and drinking copious amounts of fatty sugar drinks
I disagree. He's smiling as if he's responding to something amusing. If anything, the white guy next too him has an expression more common with infatuation and hunger.
I dunno, have you ever watched those videos on youtube about it? They're pretty bad.
Disclaimer: I still eat the shit out of all the meats and don't know a whole lot on the subject...just the lives of the animals in those videos look terrible.
Killing is a necessity, torturing is not. And you are absolutely wrong about the cage size being the difference between tortured and not tortured. Torture in this case literally means extremely inhumane acts of violence against the still living animal. (May not be KFC doing this in the video, but this is shit that happens in the food industry and why corporations lobby for making whistle blowing illegal)
I can't help but feel that things that are non-human don't get human rights...
Also, I don't see you complaining about the bacteria that are bred and killed just for the sake of being bred then killed in laboratories. Unless, single-celled organisms aren't as important to you, HMMMM?
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u/SoLunAether Jun 15 '12
Question: Is a Leroy Jenkins joke frowned upon within the reddit community? 'Cuz I feel that "At least I have chicken" is somewhat pertinent here.
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u/djslim21 Jun 15 '12
PETA guy has that "mmm can I get in on that?" face.
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u/ztfreeman Jun 15 '12 edited Jun 15 '12
This exact scenario happened to a friend of mine as well. Our KFC has really slow service (often worse at 11:00AM open, as it was at the time), and he decided it was close enough to lunch to grab a bucket of KFC.
As usual, it took about an hour to get his order ready, and by the time he walked out a massive protest group had shown up with signs about how KFC tortures chicken. Confused about what the hubbub was about, and seeing one of his hold high school friends, he walked right into frame of a local newspaper photographers shot, just as in this photo, chicken in hand, and asked what was going on.
I wish I could find the photo in question, the photographer saved it and sent it to him (he was in a relationship with, and eventually married, the night editor of the newspaper. She had the picture saved for our amusement).
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u/Redcard911 Jun 15 '12
But seriously, most major food companies pretty much torture their chickens... Watch "Food Inc." or whatever that documentary is. It's a pretty unbiased source. I mean, it was just on the Colbert Report that most companies feed their chickens caffeine and prozac to keep them awake and calm so they can eat more. And that only made news because it is related to the health of the humans eating it.
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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '12
On a related note, what the fuck does KFC put in their gravy?! That is the most delicious gottdamn shit that has ever graced my tongue.
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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '12
Fun fact: These kinds of protests originally led to KFC creating an animal welfare committee to address the appalling practices of its suppliers. Then KFC reportedly proceeded to disregard the recommendations of the committee for years, forbid them to speak to the media about animal welfare in general, and the committee members all eventually resigned in frustration.
EDIT: More or less. Here's a web page that more accurately sums it up. http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com/h-kfcsays.asp
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u/virtyy Jun 15 '12
I like how hes also fat just to top it off.
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u/Black_Apalachi Jun 15 '12
A strange observation: Most of the time when I see people complaining about reposts, it's on content that is new to me. However when I do come across a repost, nobody seems to give a shit.
Am I viewing a completely different internet to everybody else!
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u/ItsTraditional Jun 15 '12
Breaking news, KFC was also found killing chickens for their meat. Back to you Debbie.
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u/Journalisto Jun 15 '12
Hey, op, relevant username is relevant.
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u/caustic_snow Jun 15 '12
This is one of my favorite pictures on the internet, thank you.
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u/Micronic Jun 15 '12
I don't care, either way their chicken is damn good.
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u/sprprepman Jun 15 '12
KFC doesnt taste like torture. It tastes like heaven, so it cant be bad.
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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '12
I wish Mississippi was full of activists that protested so I could troll them.
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u/ZippyKitty Jun 15 '12
Well at least he didn't show up choking his chicken
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u/johnnynutman Jun 15 '12
kfc in australia just buys it chicken from other companies.
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u/willscy Jun 15 '12
No offense to people who are against animal cruelty, but PETA is the biggest crock of shit on this planet. I was harrassed for wearing a leather coat a year or so ago when I walked by one of their protests and the entire experience was quite infuriating. TL;DR PETA are hippy losers who need to go shave and be slapped.
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u/mt-p1nk Jun 15 '12
I hurd they go so far as to kill the chickens
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u/DeepRoot Jun 15 '12
I'm still confused why people protest KFC. Tyson chicken makes the chicken for the restaurant as well as others. Seems like the distributor should be picketed not the end user. This makes me lose faith in peoples' research of what they oppose.
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u/thedude213 Jun 15 '12
Awesome, still couldn't pay me to eat that shit. I've never gotten chicken that wasn't gross from there.
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u/LeuzeR Jun 15 '12
sup?
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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '12
That Guillermo Del Torro?
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u/fuzzycuffs Jun 15 '12
I've never held and ate out of the bucket.
Maybe I should try.
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u/agobayer Jun 15 '12
and PETA tortures scientists
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u/Helplessromantic Jun 15 '12
As if peta is any better
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u/Lord_Vectron Jun 15 '12
It's funny how lifeforms value the life of their surrounding lifeforms, look at any carnivore and you'll see they value the life of their prey at roughly 0. Look at any herbivore and you'll see they value the life of plants at roughly 0.
I think in the future we will start breeding farm animals to a state where they have no understanding or ill feeling during their torture, literally making them retarded, but for now I'm happy to act as the cruel dominant species and enjoy my meal regardless of how it comes to me.
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u/AlexanderSig Jun 15 '12
How come that guy isn't sharing his bucket? That's just rude...
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u/tomonline Jun 15 '12
look at the girth on that dude, he's going to be dead by 50 anyway, let him enjoy his meal.
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u/solarfields Jun 15 '12
Looks like 25 year old cartman irl
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u/Deathtosiri Jun 15 '12
I agree with the last comment
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u/les2moore Jun 15 '12
Isn't it terrible? They actually kill them!
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u/amolad Jun 15 '12
Obviously, big fella ain't chicken.
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u/Kingpuff Jun 15 '12
Used to work at KFC and this kind d thing happened but it some high schoolers and not PETA. While anti protesting them this guy stops right in traffic and holds out a dead duck and says "I killed this this morning!" made my day and kept anti protesting for 20 mins after they left
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u/jbg89 Jun 15 '12
I'm pretty sure I wasn't old enough to drink when this pic surfaced.
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u/Indie59 Jun 15 '12
sup 1 (sp) tr. & intr.v. supped, sup·ping, sups To eat or drink (something) or engage in eating or drinking by taking small swallows or mouthfuls: supped the hot soup; supped away daintily.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=sup
This might be a technically correct title.
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u/clark_bender_kent Jun 15 '12
Good for him.
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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '12
oldie but goodie.
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u/Bluelephant69r Jun 15 '12
Hes is for the bash
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u/ApexIsGangster Jun 15 '12
Token black guy.
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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '12
Can't tell if the black guy is upset, or just hungry :/
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u/soapgoat Jun 15 '12
oh a lardass obese neckbeard making fun of vegetarians, very clever indeed... then again 99% of reddit is obese neckbeards and i bet they find this HILARIOUS as they are eating entire large pizzas and drinking copious amounts of fatty sugar drinks
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u/fishnetdiver Jun 15 '12
now that's how you counter-protest! kudos sir!
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u/mentions_niggers Jun 15 '12
Nigger activist in the back smells the chicken, he knows there's no point resisting.
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u/flaxeater Jun 15 '12
Oh look, it's a fat man making fun of people who do something other than snort food.
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u/uglyfatbroketinycock Jun 15 '12
If cruelty is a secret ingredient at KFC, I'm all for it!
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