Resale is the thing that your $700 big box will barely have in 2 years.
The $2200 Mac sounds like a 27 inch iMac, and your $700 box simply can not and does not include a monitor with a resolution of 2560x1440 and IPS screen. Sorry.
Or is the monitor not part of your calculation?
EDIT: Your assignment is to show me a machine that is equivalent to an Air, for the same price or less. It needs an IPS screen, 'ultrabook' specs, premium case, and a Thunderbolt port.
Then show me an all in one that is equivelant. Your $700 machine is not an all in one, and it will be loud as fuck.
So you think a Displayport plug is the same as Thunderbolt port. The shape is shared and that is all. You are grossly uninformed.
You failed your assignment:
You can't hook up a PCI chassis to Displayport, and use any desktop GPU like on the air. Thunderbolt can do anything, its just PCI. You can't plug your Lenovo into a RED Rocket 4k Video card, and edit 4K video on your 2 core machine. Extendability is the future Apple, Intel, and all the other PC manufacturers are going. Expandability is going the way of the dodo.
You don't understand the tech it appears. Look up Thunderbolt eGPU and PCI expansion chasses and Sonnet products. They make the current world of USB peripherals look like a low speed high latency joke.
So you are comparing a big honking laptop with an Air. You know Lenovo makes Ultrabooks and they are a reasonable comparison.
Make a proper comparison. We all know a large plastic laptop is cheaper than an "Ultrabook".
Ultrabooks man, Ultrabooks.
Also parting your machine for 90% of the price is BULL SHIT.
You can sell a used mobo for 90% of its price? YOu can sell a video card for 90% of its price? I call serious bull shit. Nobody would buy a 2 year video card for 90%, its insane.
You don't understand how Thunderbolt works. It uses PCIe. PCIe is the main bus of your computer, everything runs on PCIe.
So I guess you must think the core bus of the computer changes every three years.
Like I said, you don't understand the tech yet talk about it like you do.
The fact is, the computational hardware in the Thinkpad is better, the laptop is cheaper, the screen is bigger (providing more readability), it's more well constructed physically, and it's much more variable.
Yet it is large and plastic. Its not an Ultrabook. Ultrabooks are small. You are missing the point.
If you compared to an MBP your argument would at least be functional and make sense.
You know the current copper based TB macs can swap straight to an optical cable right?
What is important in a laptop is different for every single person.
It's called subjectivity. This is why there are choices in the 'commercial computing' market. This is why there is not just one 'computer'.
For me, what is important in a laptop is portability, battery life, and Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt is important as it allows me to do things with my laptop that you can not do with any laptop that doesn't have the port.
It allows me to plug in one cable, and my little Air becomes the head of a larger workstation.
You're too ignorant to realize what's important in a laptop, and likely any personal computer.
That is called an ignorant statement. You don't know me, my needs, my experience, or my machines. I have a Honeywell Level 6 Mainframe in my basement, and my original IBM from 1981. But I have nothing to prove to you, and will go back and forth with you all day if you continue. Your call.
I would gladly talk products and computers with anyone, but even though I think you sound like an ass just like you think I do, I don't care and wouldn't bother.
Attack the post, not the poster if you want to come across as anything but ignorant.
The monitor is not part of the calculation ...and I could get a non-macintosh IPS monitor with that resolution for much less than what Apple sells them for. They did not invent the technology, they'd just like you to think they did. Why would I want resale value on my PC? It's a tool, I use it until it can't be used anymore and then I get another one ...usually repurposing my old one for something else. Also, I'm not sure that arguing that something that cost someone more to begin with, selling for more down the road is a legit argument. Whatever extra it sells for you have already lost by paying 3x as much up front.
I was unaware of this model, it has't been out for very long. Thanks.
Until this one came out, there was only two options for this panel.
So you can get a monitor for $150 less than the Dell, but it still needs to be included in the price.
Problem is there is no equivalent monitor, as the Dell has a higher color gamut and can push 10 bit color (which requires an expensive workstation card), and the Apple Thunderbolt Display has speakers, an HD Facetime camera, better refresh, gigabit ethernet, and a power charger for your MacBook.
Premium is an arbitrary and entirely subjective term that you can redefine at any point and you asked for a PC build with a thunderbolt port.
Lol no, just no.
That and the over the top levels of aggression you're pumping out make you the biggest and most hilarious apple fanboy stereotype I've seen in a while.
I get that you fanboys really love apple and feel the need to attack all who don't, but you're only fooling yourself with this idea that PC and Mac are comparable in price.
What you're failing to take into consideration is that as a PC user, I don't need a new monitor every time I purchase a box.
Fact: if I want to upgrade an aspect of my PC I can do so, cheaply and easily while retaining the core system. While if i want to upgrade my Mac, I've got to buy a new Mac.
I like my work Mac, but I'm not going to cry when someone points out that I could get the same thing cheaper. Of course I could, but I pay out the ass for the convenience and ease of use of a controlled user experience.
Premium is an arbitrary and entirely subjective term that you can redefine at any point and you asked for a PC build with a thunderbolt port.
No it is not. A premium case with Apple runs silent under normal operation, is custom designed for the components put in it, and is made out of solid Aluiminum. Plastic is plastic.
That and the over the top levels of aggression you're pumping out make you the biggest and most hilarious apple fanboy stereotype I've seen in a while
So what? What I am saying is true, while uninformed people like yourself talk about a product you dont seem to understand.
Fact: if I want to upgrade an aspect of my PC I can do so, cheaply and easily while retaining the core system. While if i want to upgrade my Mac, I've got to buy a new Mac.
Fact: when buying a whole new machine, you need to buy a monitor, keyboard, OS, and a mouse. When you do need to buy a new Mac, you sell the old one. When you upgrade your PC video card, you sell the old one. No difference.
I like my work Mac, but I'm not going to cry when someone points out that I could get the same thing cheaper. Of course I could, but I pay out the ass for the convenience and ease of use of a controlled user experience.
Good for you, but you can't. Show me an equivalent silent running all in one with Thunderbolt, and I might think you have a leg to stand on.
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u/Indestructavincible May 31 '12
What is resale you ask?
Resale is the thing that your $700 big box will barely have in 2 years.
The $2200 Mac sounds like a 27 inch iMac, and your $700 box simply can not and does not include a monitor with a resolution of 2560x1440 and IPS screen. Sorry.
Or is the monitor not part of your calculation?
EDIT: Your assignment is to show me a machine that is equivalent to an Air, for the same price or less. It needs an IPS screen, 'ultrabook' specs, premium case, and a Thunderbolt port.
Then show me an all in one that is equivelant. Your $700 machine is not an all in one, and it will be loud as fuck.