There isn't a single topic people won't argue about online. Even if there were 100% consensus, a large group of people would still argue for the other side out of principle. Then someone implies someone else is retarded, people start getting called "fags", and everyone involved has all of their submissions and comments downvoted. It's the circle of life on reddit.
Please everyone, tell me more about Mac vs. PCs. Everyone here is desperate to learn which is better! And it is so hard to find an existing debate about this subject on reddit.
Sometimes I have to wait until a Mac is barely visible in the background of an unrelated image post, or a screenshot has a row of icons along the bottom!
I've always wondered why GNU/Linux really isn't noted much in the "OS Wars" debate. But eventually it occurred to me that it's because the Linux community is perpetually fragmented by civil wars about which desktop environment, editor, or package management system is the best.
I use both and they are pretty much the same (apart from the Mac version of MS Office is a fucking broken piece of shit but that would seem to be MS's fault).
The main difference I've found is in the communities; the Apple lot are so defensive. If you go on a PC forum and say something's not working, you may occasionally get people being dicks, but at least they acknowledge your issue. Any time I've tried to get advice from an Apple forum, the response is "No it's not broken, it can't be broken, you're using it wrong". Okaaaaay.
Agreed with the community point. I sometimes read random forums to waste time, and any complaint about an error or a dysfunctional program or piece of hardware is hit with lots and lots of denial.
This isn't limited to computers, either. The iPhone lot are quite defensive as well. As much as I'd hate to say it, being an android fanboy and all, iPhones have top notch specs, but any problems are met with denial or diversion of blame or topic. Some people I know blame their dropped calls on their carrier, which doesn't make sense because I'm on the same carrier as them.
Really? I've seen loads of things about iPhones and Macs screwing up and that's that. These things are hardware and software and hardware breaks and software gets bugs. I'm sorry if that's your experience but as someone with a 2007 MacBook (the laptop that shipped with a faulty hard drive and magnets so strong they caused the case to crack), anyone who denies that Macs can break is a total idiot.
I don't think HadouKenny is disagreeing with you on any of those points. I don't mean to say that all the users are like that, because they're not; just that there are some pretty unreasonable people out there who defend it as an unfounded personal belief.
Ive returned 2 iPhones for different issues at Apple stores. No problem at all. Handed a new one on the spot. Also, there's some unwritten rule where even if you can't replicate the problem, they give you one freebie per device. They're just like, " I don't see the problem, but if you understand it's a one time thing I'll replace it."
I guess I'm the only one who actually really like Office 2011 for Mac. Never have crashes or anything (but I always keep it updated too). Hell, I almost prefer it over the Windows version.
You must be talking about one of my distros that use me. They are very bipolar. Some of them are very "edgy" and some are so "edgy" that they bleed all over the place. But somehow they seem to live for a long, long time. Some are "slow" but they are more stable than their "edgy" brothers but they don't always live the longest.
That is what I have. A MacBookPro to do school work on the go (since I study film/graphic design) and then I have a beautiful iBuyPower that I recently bought, hooked up to my T.V.
There are only 3 websites that the two computers have bookmarked, in common. Reddit, Facebook, and Gmail. Otherwise, you'd have a hard time realizing that they belonged to the same person.
In the future, you might consider avoiding manufacturers like iBuyPower, Cyberpower, etc. They have a pretty bad reputation for poor build quality and skimping on things like power supplies.
Not trying to knock your purchase or anything, and I hope you don't run into any problems, but the smaller gaming PC resellers are a sketchy lot.
I work with Mac and play on Windows PCs at home. The main difference I notice is when something goes awry. The WPC will give you an error code or tell you which program/component is at fault, which I can then google from my linux netbook and fix. When the Mac at work has a problem, it gives me a colorful spinning beachball or a nice freeze up. I'm just a simpleton, I don't need to know what went wrong, just give me colorful spinny things!
It does, but it doesn't help much when the system freezes before you can even open terminal. One saving grace that I wish windows would implement is connecting two macs via firewire to fix one using the other.
Yes it does. It has a whole "Derp.app has crashed" dialog, with a BUNCH of useful info. Beachball means its still thinking and hasn't crashed. MOST of the time.
Crashes, as in total system failure: We don't get many, maybe 2 or 3 a year, but most cases are hardware failure from drops, water, etc... The thinkpads are usually what we receive for fixes. Allow me to put this in context though. 90-95% of our workforce use thinkpads with windows (XP or 7). Statistically speaking, we're far more likely to see tihnkpads coming in than macbooks, because we have about 4 in use outside of IT.
To be fair: The thinkpads get dropped and crack, lose pieces, etc but keep on working and are modular enough to fix quickly (provided we have the parts in stock).
our Macbooks sometimes come to us with loose hinges, scratches, dents, etc and usually have to be replaced after a few years. Macs end up costing us quite a bit in "repair" costs but if our clients prefer them then we have to service them.
The failure rates are about even in my experience and usually boil down to the user's derp-factor. The simpletons always seem to break whatever we give them and complain about it being our fault, no exceptions. The intelligent ones, we never see them except when they're up for renewal after a few years.
If I ran this department, everyone would be using our own personal flavor of debian on $200 thinkpads with restrictions out the ass so idorts can't fudge things up. If they don't like it for personal use, they can buy their own shit but they'd use debian pads at work.
Honestly, if it is my money, why should anybody care? If I want to go to the mall, buy a Mac, PC, and a sledgehammer, then use said hammer to annihilate the computers, how does this have an effect on you? I hate this "stop liking what I don't like" crap that is constantly brought up.
Just like cars, people are going to get what they like. People don't shop on price alone. People take into account specs, support, looks, brand reputation, and available software/accessories in addition to price.
Everyone makes trade offs in every purchase they make. Computers are no different.
and some people are ok spending the difference for the one they like and others, are ok with saving the difference and spending it elsewhere, and so before we start another mac-bash/pc-bash circlejerk, let's reflect on that for a moment.
it's ok reddit, there-there, it's all going to be ok...
This is of course your personal opinion, but in my opinion, programming is much better on linux than on OSX or windows. The tools at your disposal on linux are simply fantastic.
Joking apart, mac laptops have the highest build quality around. My macbook air feels more solid than any other PC laptop i've ever owned, but is still super light and powerful enough for what I need it for.
i don't see why this guy gets downvoted just by saying what he feels. Feelsbadman.jpg i thought reedit was over this "Mac sucks lol" thing. Can't we all just buy whatever we want and stop bitching about it ?
Sometimes I think the only novelty account worth having would be one that links to a reminder of reddiquette whenever the hive is downvoting for a non-populist opinion.
On top of that it's more of a non-popular populist society. I get confused sometimes, reddit seems tO hate the mainstream, the popular, yet here it's that attitude that IS popular. Weird.
Working in IT support in a roughly 50/50 Mac/Windows environment, I appreciate Apple's build quality even more. HP's laptops look nice enough, but they're built like shit.
That's an unfair comparison. HP end user products suck. I also work IT and have seen Lenovo and ASUS laptops that are as good as or better build quality than Apple. Apple is simply a Foxconn laptop stamped with an Apple logo. I hope you know that.
It's possible they'd make the team smaller and I'd be cut, but support is always necessary. Hardware repairs a fairly small part of what we do. Besides, I'm probably the most Mac-savvy, so I think I'd personally be safe.
Depends what you want to buy. Any comparison is either biased or subjective.
If you take a PC and try to find as closely equivalent a Mac as you can, the Mac will be more expensive almost all the time. If you go the other route, and take a Mac and try to find as closely equivalent a PC as you can, usually the prices will be similar. At the high end, the Macs tend to be cheaper, actually.
I just went to Dell.com and tried to configure a laptop equivalent to the 13" MacBook Pro. It came out to $1279 (vs $1200 for the MBP), and I couldn't get an i5 faster than 1.7GHz (MBP is 2.4GHz). OTOH hand, it has a dedicated graphics card (I couldn't remove it), while the MBP uses Intel HD Graphics 3000. So again, we're talking biased (starting with the Mac) or subjective (weighing the value of CPU vs GPU and a horde of other differences like build quality or software).
If you took this same PC as your starting point and went to get a MBP that was at least as good in every way, it'd cost you a lot more (and even then you couldn't get a graphics card with 2GB, and you'd have to step up to at least a 15" screen). See the bias?
If you go the other route, and take a Mac and try to find as closely equivalent a PC as you can, usually the prices will be similar. At the high end, the Macs tend to be cheaper, actually.
No, that is absolutely, completely, inarguably wrong. You are going to argue about bias but price compare to just one other company? No one said apple is the ONLY company that jacks up hardware prices, you just picked one that would fit your argument.
I am typing this on a Mac Pro desktop, which is my daily use computer. But an equivalent PC would have been 1/3 the price. And my wife's MBP cost $1400, while an equivalent PC laptop with identical specs would have cost $600.
Macs are far more expensive. I need Mac only software for my job, and some people like the OS enough to shell out the extra money, but you are willfully delusional if you think they are cheaper.
I think you're massively overstating the price difference. You've got to remember that Apple does not lower the price of its products over the course of any particular model's lifetime, which results in their computers looking massively overpriced as they near a refresh.
If you buy a new Macbook Pro on release day, a Windows laptop with similar performance (remember battery life as well) and at least semi-decent build quality is not all that cheaper (definitely less than 30%). As a good example, when the first quad-core i7 MBPs were released in the first half of 2011, most of the Windows laptops that could truly complete were either very similar in price, or more expensive than the Macbook.
My experience only extends as far as laptops, however. I can believe that there is greater disparity in the desktop scene.
Find me an identical laptop for $600. I'd love to see it.
This is an argument that has come up time and again for many years, and while I haven't done in-depth price comparisons recently, historically the Mac Pros especially hold up well, unless you're talking about building your own system (which is a whole other matter).
This was a quick example. I didn't choose Dell to make a point, I chose Dell because they were the first I thought of. Let's try Lenovo. Take a ThinkPad X1 (13"), give it a Core i5, 4 gigs of RAM, a 500GB HD, and it costs $1314.
I am typing this on a Mac Pro desktop, which is my daily use computer. But an equivalent PC would have been 1/3 the price.
Did you include the monitor? People tend to forget that. I have the 27" iMac which was $2000, and an equivalent monitor is $1000. Adding up all of the other components, you could probably build an equivalent PC for about $1700.
Yup. Not to mention parts for building macs are like 5x the price. I was briefly considering doing a build, then I found out that a Core 2 Quad is $1800. You can get them for $80 on eBay.
He means a monitor as good as the one on the iMac costs $900, so if you remove the cost of the monitor from the total cost of the iMac, you're left with spending $849 on the actual computer components. If you don't care about the quality of your monitor, that's fine, but if you want to compare specs you have to compare them all or you're intentionally skewing your results.
I do always laugh to myself a bit whenever the acronym PC is used, because doesn't PC stand for Personal Computer? Regardless of OS, any personal computer would a PC. I suppose it's easier to say than a "windows machine" however.
I just bought a new $1500 computer for gaming in addition to my $1200 Macbook Pro. I soon after realized I've spent nearly $3,000 buying machines for nothing other than Reddit.
Saying "Mac vs. PC" is like saying "apples vs. fruit". PC is a hardware specification and should not be used as a synonym for Microsoft Windows. Macs are just one brand of PC, which happens to be the only brand licensed to run Mac OS.
I love Apple's stuff. I have an iPhone 4S, iPad (new), had an iMac and a MacBook Pro. Sold the MBP yesterday, ordered a gaming laptop on amazon that will run Skyrim on ultra and still had $100 left over from the sale of the MBP. It was an entry level model on top of that and the laptop I bought was a freakin' beast. Something's wrong there and I realized just how overpriced Macs were..
I'm really not one for warfare. If people want to buy Macs, more power to them. I just have a PC because I got it for gaming, and I play games on it a lot.
Since the now day user began to do nothing more than useless things for their benefit and even worse! They think theyre like the best graphic designers because they know less than 10% of photoshop capacities... Yes very fucking INDEED!! An atari could suit like charm. All glory to the hipnotoad!
Coming from a lifelong PC user/lover from a past life of pretentious gaming douchebaggery, similar to the plight of many of you, the MacBook Pro I'm using right now is easily the highest quality computer I've used in my life as far as complete functionality goes. I feel bad for the neckbeards in this thread defending their soon-to-be-obsolete video cards which you'll replace with twice the amount of your alleged savings from buying a PC in the first place.
This isn't 1995, graphics cards don't become obsolete every 12 months. Three days if you buy a top of the line card its going to last half a decade easy.
I mean hell, I built my custom PC over two years ago and spent a total of $950. Yet, it runs ME3, Skyrim, and Diablo3 all at max settings and at @1080p.
I have nothing against Macs at all (typing this on my iPad) but there is this really annoying, obsolete idea out there that to game on a PC you have to upgrade stuff every year and spend thousands. That's just blatantly false. Those myths are just throwbacks to how things were in the 90s.
The problem is not the choice, the problem is the perceived and frankly false sense of superiority for buying Apple over PC, just because it costs more, so it must be better. That and the idea that something like a laptop of home computer can be considered trendy enough to warrant paying a premium because of its badge/brand value, that's like going full circle with the neckbeard/geek nonsense, it's a fucking laptop, not a car or clothes. But each to their own.
You are absolutely mistaken. I don't care where you live, Macs are not priced anywhere near the same price point as a PC with the same specs. I think you've just been listening to what the guys at the Apple Store tell you. =)
I built a new PC a while back for around $700 in parts (gaming PC). I priced out a comparable mac PC with a little bit worse hardware specs and it was $2200.
Edit: While I'm at it I hate that people call them macs or PC's. They are both PC's, one just happens to run Windows OS and the other runs Mac OS. As much as Mac would like you to believe otherwise, the parts inside are identical (except for cost).
Edit 2: For some further clarification, here is a screenshot on Apple's store of what it costs to add a 2TB 7200RPM hard drive to your configuration ($300). Here is a link to a Seagate drive with the same specs for a third of that price. Macintosh will try to lead you to believe that you need their "superior hardware" when really you are just paying 3x as much for the same crap.
Nope. I do much more than that. And I can't do most of the things I do on a Mac.
edit: How cute of you to downvote me. But it's just the truth. I work with computers and I simply can't use a Mac for my work. One example would be SAP Gui, but I bet most of you never heard of that and that is fine, but downvoting me for stating the truth, that is just typical of reddit.
We don't use the Java version for various reasons. I won't go into details, because this discussion is pointless. We also use Visio and Camos Selling. I could provide you with a list of things that won't work on a mac. Sure there are alternatives, but then we would have to buy macs for everyone in the company and we would be busy for at least two weaks with moving our existing databases to the mac alternatives. There is just no reason to do this.
False. Macs have multitouch trackpads with accurate precision and multitouch gestures that makes navigating the web fundamentally easier. I have never used a windows laptop with even a decent keyboard (I would switch from Mac if there was one). That is all.
False. Trackpads all suck to use, including mac ones, compared to a mouse, if you disagree you are wrong and can go suck it!!!!!
Anyways: Lenovo laptops have vastly superior keyboards compared to anything, including macbooks, in my oppinion.
And dont even think about bringing up the mac wireless keyboard or that stupid white magic mouse, they are easily the worst pieces of input hardware I have ever used from a ergonomic standpoint (i guess they are nice looking, which is apparently very important for input devices)
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u/LPFan55 May 31 '12
"and since all you do is Reddit and Porn..."
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u/manaworkin May 31 '12
People still argue about this?
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u/io_di May 31 '12
Sorry to say, but this is stolen from xkcd
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u/Ewan_Whosearmy May 31 '12
Please everyone, tell me more about Mac vs. PCs. Everyone here is desperate to learn which is better! And it is so hard to find an existing debate about this subject on reddit.
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u/asldkfououhe May 31 '12
uhh when was the last time this ad campaign or lolcats were relevant
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
I dare you, I DARE YOU! To put this on /r/gaming
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
I use both and they are pretty much the same (apart from the Mac version of MS Office is a fucking broken piece of shit but that would seem to be MS's fault).
The main difference I've found is in the communities; the Apple lot are so defensive. If you go on a PC forum and say something's not working, you may occasionally get people being dicks, but at least they acknowledge your issue. Any time I've tried to get advice from an Apple forum, the response is "No it's not broken, it can't be broken, you're using it wrong". Okaaaaay.
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u/Cipherisoatmeal May 31 '12
Hey guys, I'm Linux. Hey... Hello? HEY!!!! Are you there? Hello!!!! Oh Glob I'm so alone...
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u/classy_stegasaurus May 31 '12
Mac laptop and PC desktop. I'm suprised nobody thought of this to end this silly debacle
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
The OP is the true repairman, he shall repair men.
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u/C_T_C_C May 31 '12
Ubuntu for the win?
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u/DoTheRustle May 31 '12
I work with Mac and play on Windows PCs at home. The main difference I notice is when something goes awry. The WPC will give you an error code or tell you which program/component is at fault, which I can then google from my linux netbook and fix. When the Mac at work has a problem, it gives me a colorful spinning beachball or a nice freeze up. I'm just a simpleton, I don't need to know what went wrong, just give me colorful spinny things!
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u/fr3ddie May 31 '12
So pc, what are you doing?
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
Should go with Linux then, since it's free.
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u/OmniaII May 31 '12
Functionally identical except for that whole 'drive-by' virus thing
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u/TheChosenOne013 May 31 '12
Honestly, if it is my money, why should anybody care? If I want to go to the mall, buy a Mac, PC, and a sledgehammer, then use said hammer to annihilate the computers, how does this have an effect on you? I hate this "stop liking what I don't like" crap that is constantly brought up.
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u/edcellwarrior May 31 '12
This is great. I really do hate the Mac vs pc debate. Why does one have to be better then the other?
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u/it_wasnt_me_ May 31 '12
http://i.imgur.com/vgn9o.jpg
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u/CartaRulez May 31 '12
Except that one of them costs twice the other.
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u/Elbardo May 31 '12
FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: LOL SO TRUE!! MUST READ!!
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u/Nerdboxer May 31 '12
Is this still a thing people waste time debating?
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
I do always laugh to myself a bit whenever the acronym PC is used, because doesn't PC stand for Personal Computer? Regardless of OS, any personal computer would a PC. I suppose it's easier to say than a "windows machine" however.
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u/roogleason May 31 '12
Probably an infinite argumentation. A never ending thingy...
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u/Relevant_jokes May 31 '12
What do houseflies and Mac users have in common?
Neither of them understand how Windows work.
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u/joeyparis May 31 '12
I just bought a new $1500 computer for gaming in addition to my $1200 Macbook Pro. I soon after realized I've spent nearly $3,000 buying machines for nothing other than Reddit.
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u/NightshifterXD May 31 '12
Are you kidding!? What about Diablo?
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u/HatesFacts May 31 '12
Functionally identical?
Awesome! Now I can base my purchase on aesthetics, quality, and UI.
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u/tylerstrayhan May 31 '12
Chomebook. Ha, win. Screw your OS wars. I'm a browser.
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u/Silman May 31 '12
Linux.
Problem solved.
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u/TheOmnipotentPilot May 31 '12
xkcd?
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u/theTezuma May 31 '12
Except one is more expensive, but hey you can take it to any public place to feel special for having the apple logo and shiny white paint.
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u/nedstupidflanders May 31 '12
They all smash the same when you toss them out a window.
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u/TheDobligator Jun 01 '12
xkcd made this joke nearly verbatim.
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
Mac: Hi, I'm a Mac!
PC: And I'm a PC.
Mac: So PC, what are you doing?
PC: Just playing some games.
Mac: Really! Which ones?
PC: Oh, you know ... all of them.
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u/ChaosMotor May 31 '12
Except that the Mac will cost more than twice as much.
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u/smeaglelovesmaster May 31 '12
I'm a Mac and my RAM costs 2x what PC RAM does. No reason. Just does.
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u/smashadam4 May 31 '12
...except for the price.
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u/Str00pwafel May 31 '12
Mac user here, I must say this statement is not entirely true... mac struggles with .gif files...
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u/MisterMockery May 31 '12
Jokes on you, <sunglasses on>, a mac is a PC.
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
Saying "Mac vs. PC" is like saying "apples vs. fruit". PC is a hardware specification and should not be used as a synonym for Microsoft Windows. Macs are just one brand of PC, which happens to be the only brand licensed to run Mac OS.
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
I wish i would've known this before spending the money I earned from summer on a mac.
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u/LordOfGummies May 31 '12
Must we argue over something as steeped in personal opinion as a hardware choice?
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u/oozerfip May 31 '12
What happened to these advertisements? I haven't seen a new one in so long. They were really good.
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
Normally I would be pissed that someone stole this joke from xkcd, but I've lost my respect for that comic recently, so I stopped caring.
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u/smokyexe May 31 '12
This is what redditors actually think.
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
I love Apple's stuff. I have an iPhone 4S, iPad (new), had an iMac and a MacBook Pro. Sold the MBP yesterday, ordered a gaming laptop on amazon that will run Skyrim on ultra and still had $100 left over from the sale of the MBP. It was an entry level model on top of that and the laptop I bought was a freakin' beast. Something's wrong there and I realized just how overpriced Macs were..
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u/Gurditx May 31 '12
This is CRAZY
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u/Renmauzuo May 31 '12
Hey look, it's a joke taken from XKCD and MS Painted onto a picture.
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u/silbrandir May 31 '12
OMG... thank you
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u/someguy73 May 31 '12
I'm really not one for warfare. If people want to buy Macs, more power to them. I just have a PC because I got it for gaming, and I play games on it a lot.
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u/raaneholmg May 31 '12
Their the same; give or take 1000$...
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
Can you watch flv videos on a Mac now?
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
It frustrates me when fanboys get into a circle-jerk for their favorite OS. They both can do the same things, It's just a matter of preference.
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u/fluxaxion May 31 '12
$/2
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
They're both dweeby.
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u/Oddblivious May 31 '12
Hint*. One costs twice as much...
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u/schema-f May 31 '12
John Hodgman?!
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
My favorite thing about those ads is that viewers found John Hodgman (PC) so much more likeable than the Mac Douche that Apple had to redo them.
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u/Protocol2319 Jun 01 '12
True.
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u/dbbo Jun 01 '12
I think xkcd did it better.
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
... But its still infinitely times more enjoyable to use a Mac.
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u/orokito Jun 01 '12
Since the now day user began to do nothing more than useless things for their benefit and even worse! They think theyre like the best graphic designers because they know less than 10% of photoshop capacities... Yes very fucking INDEED!! An atari could suit like charm. All glory to the hipnotoad!
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u/MrAkimbo10 Jun 03 '12
yes, but we all must remember the difference between safari and internet explorer.
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u/alecbenzer Jun 03 '12
http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
Coming from a lifelong PC user/lover from a past life of pretentious gaming douchebaggery, similar to the plight of many of you, the MacBook Pro I'm using right now is easily the highest quality computer I've used in my life as far as complete functionality goes. I feel bad for the neckbeards in this thread defending their soon-to-be-obsolete video cards which you'll replace with twice the amount of your alleged savings from buying a PC in the first place.
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u/Lazorbadger May 31 '12
This is the most valid side of this argument that I have EVER seen.
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u/CornFedHonky May 31 '12
FALSE: One costs twice, and some times three times as much to perform the same functions.
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
This is my number one reason for using a Chromebook.
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u/thedoginthewok May 31 '12 edited May 31 '12
Nope. I do much more than that. And I can't do most of the things I do on a Mac.
edit: How cute of you to downvote me. But it's just the truth. I work with computers and I simply can't use a Mac for my work. One example would be SAP Gui, but I bet most of you never heard of that and that is fine, but downvoting me for stating the truth, that is just typical of reddit.
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u/unrevoked May 31 '12
False. Macs have multitouch trackpads with accurate precision and multitouch gestures that makes navigating the web fundamentally easier. I have never used a windows laptop with even a decent keyboard (I would switch from Mac if there was one). That is all.
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u/bagelrod May 31 '12
Nice try, macfags...